posted October 02, 2015 04:14 AM            

Tisiphones and Megairas conjunct, the former as the skipped step at my end and in the composite chart, and Alektos oppose each other on my SN and NN. Composite Tisiphone conjunct Alekto at 25.54 Leo to 26.28 Leo. Composite Megaira 8.26 Can conj cJupiter. Well, as much as can tell with minutes here and there when his time of birth isn't yet known. Will ask when get around to astrology in chats.

Sun/Moon MP = SN
His MP is somewhere near my Saturn or square my Jupiter, likely.

My chart at the top, his and the composite somewhere further below. Ignore rando asteroids, and houses for him, ofc. Afternoon times thrown in for his charts. Too lazy/time-pressed/tired to dig up the proper chart for MY Valentine-Amors & such, instead included as a link until can edit and fix this. Mine as top chart behind link looking at squaresville synatry.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/003175.html

HIS, 2 different times thrown in.

I always knew the Tisiphone-Alekto pattern meant at least something at my end, but this guy seems to be the whoever doing something with it then. Any idea what?

I brought up the basics in the eclipse-relationships post, but he was pointed out to me by a mutual friend of ours before the eclipse, and my reaction was basically an INSTANT "I want you". (Online only in the past days, of course, though he lives in a country I used to live in and would rather live in.) Based on photos it's still probably the same reaction, my not having found one bad photo of him yet when most people look less flattering somewhere at least. Nope, not fazed by anything seen of him so far. Something very much so for me or my type, some way.

COMMENTS, on any sides of it?

Both have the Sun-Moon oppositions with Saturns squaring from midpoints or near, and as noted elsewhere, there are interesting patterns with love or soulmate asteroids, too. Valentine quindecile SN to maybe echo the conjunction the other way, but also quindeciles between a lot of other things. Wondering if a Venus opposite Osiris DW with Mars conjunct Isis makes for more of the "This is how a man should be" vibes.

Venus/Mars MP = Amor as well, with
Amor opposite Venus (~3 conj Mars), while my Valentine squares his Venus/Mars opposition. ASC quindecile Amor and close to antiscia his Valentine, if not close enough from ~23.06 Taurus. My Valentine likewise antiscia or close that to his Juno.

Also interesting it's 2 quindeciles with Moon-Venus and Sun-Mars, even if not mixing the genders there. If there is another aspect more easily seen, there often seems to be a DW making quindecile the other way, too. Juno trine Saturn, Saturn quindec. Juno, the sort. SN trine Eros, Eros quindec. the other way.

posted October 02, 2015 04:26 AM            

I don't know his rulers, but suspicion is I'm doing something at his end. For a Libra male, he seems to have hints of what I've seen in Taurean or otherwise Fixed ASC men as well, so not sure what the Ascendant is - but I LIKE the look, whatever it is.

Composite chart for reference, too early or not:

posted October 02, 2015 02:02 PM            

MORDEN (14502)
HOLMES (5477)
LACHESIS (120)
GRAVES (18824)
LIBITINA (2546)
LAMB (16089)
ORPHEUS (3361)
PREY (6157)
DEJANIRA (157)
GRIEVE (4451)

14502,5477,120,18824,2546,16089,3361,6157,157,4451

I won't direct you to any more about them until you do your own work with them. 80% of these are cutting-edge research to which I have professional access. We're still testing (certain ones) but are having incredible results.

Whenever I see a TISIPHONE-heavy configuration or charts, I add in these guys to get (more) of the story.

That's just the first tier, too.

posted October 03, 2015 06:38 AM            

My Eurydike 1 sextile his Orpheus and his Eurydike conjunct my 2 Lib IC-Orpheus as I recall. 75 is Eurydike and my year, so I've always considered it more "important" with Orpheus on my IC as well, plus hitting my DC in its draconic position. The way this guy's draconic chart works is basically 4 signs ahead so we have draconic Orpheuses conjunct on my DC and sidereal Moon as well.

I don't know about his ASC or the rest, but his Lachesis at 6.06-ish Aquarius on my DC, along with his Chiron ofc. And I see my Morden is on his SN and my Sun/Moon MP, so if that's your interpretation for murder-type things, it's more of the same here I see. I read Mr. Morden from Babylon 5 when seeing the word first.

Morden, Wodan and Melchior at least for what I remember of 29 Taurus' midpoint.

Noting my Venus is riddled with supposedly difficult things. As I recall there's Requiem and Sado on it if nothing else. Lamb is next to it. Also noting I have Angel conjunct Prey - and yes, the same old Karma and tons more with Tisiphone. Not the only "difficult" ones either, as I think Graves is near/conjunct something "reptilian" w/ Drakonia or whatever such asteroid around 10-12 Can? Mind you, it's also conjunct 12 Can's Fortuna, so there we go again.

Why Holmes and not Sherlock (or was it SherlockHolmes there?)? That I had around 5-6 Cancer as I recall. If 5, the draconic position is exact with Holmes. Also at 5 Cancer = my Ulysses, square his Penelope, and Orpheus. *shrug*

His sidereal Dejanira 24.01-ish Scorpio, near my NN but more closely opposite his Valentine. Sid. Morden-Orpheus at 11 Virgo conjunct my 10 Vir Destinn-Hazard.

His sid. Grieve 24.48 Cancer conjunct my Lachesis, square my natal Grieve? Sid. Lachesis 11.57 Capricorn opposite my Graves, conj my draconic Venus. His sid. Libitina 4.54 R Aries, Prey 4.04 Sag with my Eurydike. Sid. Holmes 10.08 Libra with his Mercury.

My sidereal Prey 29.44 Scorpio on his NN, my far Sun/Moon MP. Sidereal Orpheus 7.47 Virgo next to Venus and its Requiem, Quirk, Sado, Deprez, Constable, Jedicke, Pyramus, Kobolda, Cortesi, Nuwa, Patrickgene, Xosa. 7 Virgo has Laotse, for relief.

Also know from before that my sidereal Dejanira-Saturn's at 2.36 Cancer with my natal Odysseus-Nessus-Vipera East Point and more.

Aww, bless, only just noticed his draconic Moon must move to somewhere around/near/conjunct my Sun then as well, although depending on where it is, it's likewise conjunct the Tisiphones. Drac Libitina 29.46-ish R Leo. His drac Grieve 19.40 Sag conj his Dejanira and my Vertex. Draco Sun's in early ~27 Aquarius opposite Tisiphone-Karma and Sun.

My drac Grieve-Aphrodite 27.26 Aquarius conjunct his dSun as well. Drac Lachesis 27.59 Sco and Dejanira 0.51 Sag.

posted October 03, 2015 02:33 PM            

Aah, there we are. His sidereal TARDIS 27.57 Scorpio. Don't mind me, it's relevant for us for other reasons. Mine 27.49 Aries, so I'll remember later.

Ah. Idiot (me). Missed that his sidereal Sun was ~2.10 Libra on my IC-Orpheus as well. Really wish I knew his angles, the way this isn't giving the complete picture without those, but suspect it'll be at least another 2-3 days even at BEST before a suitable opportunity to broach the subject will come up (or I manage to guide the topic in any such regions to create the opportunity).

Sidereal Tisiphones around 1-2 Leo, conjunct my Juno-Selene-Ptah and Melpomene with whatever else I had there.

Okay, a few hours later I do know his angles and more.

ASC 10.43 Scorpio
MC 25.20 Leo
Vertex 18.43 Gemini

Meaning Tisiphone's on his MC and we have Vertexes reversed. Also my Musa on his ASC, which isn't a surprise since it's been all about his massive and multiregional creativity, making me photograph and bring up old drawings more as well just the past couple of days.

His ASC-ruler Pluto conj mine, the Sun, so I guess there's some affinity, all that. And now the Pluto is quindecile his Moon to echo the Moon opposite Pluto, as initially suspected as well.

Mine, then his.

posted October 03, 2015 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Why Holmes and not Sherlock (or was it SherlockHolmes there?)?

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H H Holmes, sweetie. Not Sherlock. SHERLOCK is (5049). But unless you've got a strong sense that your homicidal woes were pro, or the 'vengeance' was part of your job, SHERLOCK isn't necessarily needed to detect a murder pattern.

posted October 03, 2015 03:02 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
H H Holmes, sweetie. Not Sherlock. SHERLOCK is (5049). But unless you've got a strong sense that your homicidal woes were pro, or the 'vengeance' was part of your job, SHERLOCK isn't necessarily needed to detect a murder pattern.

What's the orb on MORDEN-SNODE?

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12'. As the charts added in the post 3 mins before yours say. Was that for murder in general or some specific figure otherwise?

HH Holmes doesn't speak to me. Not "my" serial killer at a glance, but we'll see. His Sherlock looks to be 15.09 Virgo on his Venus, so have to check the rest out of curiosity when can, anyway. Maybe especially as I think my draconic Sun was conjunct my Doctor Watson on my West Point. My Moriarty was 26 Gemini in any case. Yes, more or less antiscia Sherlock as recall it. Have to check when I can.

But yes, Karma-Tisiphone conjunct his Tisiphone-MC square my Nodes on our Alektos.

I was glancing at Killer Karma http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000502.html somewhere as well. No time to get into it, too tired and doing things earlier/next.

Composite with Morden and co. posted below. My Valentine looks to be on the composite IC at first glance. Didn't study the rest, since don't know what I'd be looking for and/or it doesn't say anything to me as per the first glance.

Pointers, clues, please?

EDIT:

posted October 03, 2015 05:00 PM            

But for me to truly grok where, what, how, who, and what-not, we need the synastry.

Don't forget to keep HOLMES in there, and LACHESIS. It may not be 'your' serial killer, but it's been effectively utilised in instances involving serial murder.

MORDEN is more of a general homicide-marker; circumstances surrounding MORDEN can provide clues.

For example, he and I have MORDEN conjunct, and in Scorpio on my 'profiler stellium' -- which, wonder of wonders, has LIDDELL as part of it. So, that 'Alice' theme is oddly inherent.

I call it my 'profiler stellium' because of the bizarre mix of influences: MORDEN/SHERLOCK/GRAVES -- even D'ARREST (9133). MORDEN/GRAVES is already a huge marker for homicide; but when combined with SHERLOCK? Bingo. Homicide investigation. Then D'ARREST is there, almost as confirmation of 'the law'. Private investigators can't make legal arrests; cops and federal investigators do. It's extremely active for me, being conjunct my MOON, and 6R (URANUS). There's also ANGEL-ICARUS there, which I can't help but think must've saved my bacon many, many times.

So, thank to the above, I know me, so to speak. But we're now looking at synastric patterns; specifically, MORDEN as a descriptor.

We see that we have MORDEN conjunct MORDEN (2º) and parallel. We've got a deep karma between these two influences that's been slowly hammered away at for quite some time; bits of it have been resolved (per the parallel) with those particular lessons being tested here in the present lifeline; that which is unresolved is at the forefront, however, considering the presence of the conjunction. Though it's more retesting than any new karma that's now to be handled. It could be otherwise, if the orb of the conjunction were tighter; instead, they're superconjunct, with the parallel being closer than the actual conjunction.

So, immediately we see that his MORDEN is conjunct my stellium -- MOON/MORDEN/SHERLOCK/GRAVES/D'ARREST. A literal translation of the two would be 'killing' (MORDEN) + (stellium). So, if my stellium translates into the planetary picture of 'female federal profiler homicide death investigator Alice Liddell'. In which case, I should begin hurtling curses at the screen as my mind is blown. And, if you don't believe me, and think I'm reaching -- I'll break it down:

MOON (female)
MORDEN (homicide)
SHERLOCK (investigator)
GRAVES (death)
D'ARREST (arresting)
LIDDELL (Alice Liddell)

... Go figure.

Synastrically, it's a literal translation of KILLING + [STELLIUM]. I guess my profiler stellium is hanging out, doing profiler stellium things, until his MORDEN comes along and offs it? Really, it's pretty straightforward. I just may not prefer it be.

Of course, when we have THAT big of a stellium with a host of energies -- especially if we toss in ANGEL and ICARUS -- we get all sorts of things. MORDEN/ANGEL -- 'angel of death'? ANGEL/D'ARREST/SHERLOCK -- 'good cop' ? MORDEN/LIDDELL -- 'killing Alice' ? It's already right there in my own natal; of course, the question becomes how to use the operator. Is it an adjective -- or a verb?

When we see MORDEN in synastry, however -- on its own -- it tends to be a verb. It denotes an action. MORDEN is 'killing' or 'killed'.

To get a better understanding of how his MORDEN is operating, we'd need to examine it more closely in his own natal.

He's got MORDEN conjunct LIBITINA; we can't say this is tremendously active, however: it hits no lights, personal points -- nada. All it's conjunct is his 12H NEPTUNERx. Okay, I'll admit that's a tad suspicious -- being 12H. That is parallel his MORDEN -- and contraparallel his GRAVES. This isn't something we want to see; contraparallels are also karma that's being 'revisited' to ensure that the lessons involved have been properly learnt.

But contraparallels have got a twist; it's energy that we 'outsource' to others -- especially others whom contact that point. While he 'takes' the MORDEN energy, he 'disowns' the GRAVES. So, corpses, literal graves, and associations with 'death'. Question is, outsourced how? We'll have to look into any links to GRAVES for that.

Well, the burgeoning 'portrait of a serial killer' here seems rather apparent -- especially with the MORDEN/LIBITINA conjunction. There's a strong connotation to killing as well as death (LIBITINA) or, even 'presiding over' or exploring death as a ritual. I can't ignore the fact it's opposite ALGOL, 0º, either, given the signature being 'off with their heads' -- literally. SISYPHUS there directly upon the Star requires my attention later, too. To be sure.

But there's yet another hidden link here, which cannot be ignored. LIBITINA is also OOB, and specifically at 32ºS. That's contraparallel the declination with which I'm intimately familiar.

32ºN; the declination of his TISIPHONE -- and mine.

Okay, we're getting a curious volley here; we've got conjunctions on top of contraparallels; energy is being summoned, with some of it handed over, and in contradictory ways. Let's see what's going on, by following the trail, as it were.

So, 32ºS leads us the direct contraparallel to TISIPHONE, 32ºN -- and, brings us neck-deep (tin inpunded) into his karmic stellium: TISIPHONE/HADES/GRAVES (plus many, many more; we'll focus on the three just for now). And, doing, as we've done before, we'll break it down:

TISIPHONE (vengeance, vigilante, revenge)
HADES (death, 'evil or sinister', karma)
GRAVES (death, corpses, burial)

It took me awhile, but I had quite the epiphany upon realising the 'planetary' picture there (to borrow from Uranian astrology -- to which HADES does belong; it's actually transdimensional -- but we'll neglect that for now).

Vengeance / karma / death -- or -- revenge / evil / death.

Revenge for karmic death? Revenge for sinister death? Evil death? That's a roundabout way to say 'homicide' -- but, c'mon, it's a really roundabout way. Of course, we can always take TISIPHONE literally:

Avenging homicide.

In which case, we've got avenging sinister, evil, karmic homicide. Or, even, karmic revenge of evil homicide. I'll accept all of the above.

So, we've got him (sort of) figured out -- but now we're on a whole different stellium; we aren't even in Kansas anymore. Except we can't forget the intrinsic relationship of the MORDEN/LIBITINA with TISIPHONE -- and the stellium. The contraparallel. The 'karmic testing'. At the end of the day, it's all just a descriptor. It's merely a way to understand his MORDEN, and what it's doing with my MORDEN.

It's only two points. And yet, that's a LOT from two points.

Specifically, what goes down when his 'everything murder' hits my 'everything murder'. Or, more truthfully, his:

'Karmic avenging evil homicide + female federal profiler homicide death investigator Alice Liddell'.

But that's ONLY when we bring TISIPHONE into this mix, mind, which is linked by parallel to his LIBITINA, conjunct MORDEN. It's more of a 'motivation' rather than actionable consequence. We could go:

'Killing / or killed female federal profiler homicide death investigator Alice Liddell'

(MORDEN conjunct MOON/SHERLOCK/D'ARREST/MORDEN/GRAVES/LIDDELL)

Yet, to understand why, we'd have to look deeper into the 'killed' portion: his MORDEN. Thus, it's not a bad idea to check things out ahead of time.

This is just one pattern, but it hooks into a few of the others. I've not even brought in LACHESIS/TISIPHONE-SUN, SUN-HOLMES, HOLMES-SNODE/LEWISCARROLL (nope, not kidding).

posted October 03, 2015 05:03 PM            

His HOLMES is conjunct my SUN -- but mine is conjunct his SNODE. Then you've got his SUN smack on my LACHESIS/TISIPHONE.

It may seem perplexing, but the actual karma involves him killing me. I'll examine the other patterns more in-depth, to help explain that further.

posted October 03, 2015 06:20 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Okay. I need to see the synastry. Yes, we can definitely see that homicide is a part of the karmic pattern -- there's just too much indicating so.

But for me to truly grok where, what, how, who, and what-not, we need the synastry.

Don't forget to keep HOLMES in there, and LACHESIS. It may not be 'your' serial killer, but it's been effectively utilised in instances involving serial murder.

MORDEN is more of a general homicide-marker; circumstances surrounding MORDEN can provide clues.

MORDEN/SHERLOCK/GRAVES -- even D'ARREST (9133). MORDEN/GRAVES is already a huge marker for homicide;

When we see MORDEN in synastry, however -- on its own -- it tends to be a verb. It denotes an action. MORDEN is 'killing' or 'killed'.

This isn't something we want to see; contraparallels are also karma that's being 'revisited' to ensure that the lessons involved have been properly learnt.

But contraparallels have got a twist; it's energy that we 'outsource' to others -- especially others whom contact that point. While he 'takes' the MORDEN energy, he 'disowns' the GRAVES. So, corpses, literal graves, and associations with 'death'. Question is, outsourced how? We'll have to look into any links to GRAVES for that.

TISIPHONE (vengeance, vigilante, revenge)
HADES (death, 'evil or sinister', karma)
GRAVES (death, corpses, burial)

Vengeance / karma / death -- or -- revenge / evil / death.

Revenge for karmic death? Revenge for sinister death? Evil death? That's a roundabout way to say 'homicide' -- but, c'mon, it's a really roundabout way. Of course, we can always take TISIPHONE literally:

Avenging homicide.

In which case, we've got avenging sinister, evil, karmic homicide. Or, even, karmic revenge of evil homicide. I'll accept all of the above.

'Killing / or killed female federal profiler homicide death investigator Alice Liddell'

(MORDEN conjunct MOON/SHERLOCK/D'ARREST/MORDEN/GRAVES/LIDDELL)

Yet, to understand why, we'd have to look deeper into the 'killed' portion: his MORDEN. Thus, it's not a bad idea to check things out ahead of time.

Some directly hook into each other, others are merely 'completing a theme'. Once you begin to REALLY work with these guys, it can be a bit gobsmacking.

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I know you love talking your chart, same as all of us, but that's not what I asked about.

As for needing to see the synastry, surely you shouldn't need a synastry chart when the two charts with the same asteroids and positions are already up there in better detail? Adding the synastry chart, but the same info is in better detail in the above charts as well.

Ours is Morden-Orpheus. Whatever loss, I assume. My Pluto ~2 from his. His Pluto square my Morden since it's square his own Nodes. My Eurydike-Semper's 4 Sag so not quite square his Pluto on top.

Actually, it's Penelope-Morden-Orpheus for him, as said. 4-5 Libra, while I have Orpheus-Persephone at 2-3 Libra. Parvati at 5 Libra, to jump further afield. My Siva conjunct his 19 Sco Odysseus, Ulysses ~25 Sco on my NN.

Is Libitina just for libidinous behaviour or something else? Ah, no, "Libitina, also Libentina or Lubentina, is an ancient Roman goddess of funerals and burial" I see. I'm less familiar with obscure Roman ones. So his conjunct my Chiron for more pain, trine my Sun. Ah, mine was opposite his Destinn-Moon as well, I guess.

Actually I think we have (me) Adonis-Libitina and he Aphrodite-Libitina conjunctions. "All beauty must die" from Nick Cave springs to mind, but never mind that just now. My Adonis is around early 19 Libra I think. As I recall I have Cerberus somewhere around there as well, 18-22 Libra somewhere? Have to check.

His Juno ~2 opposite my Graves. And yes, I still have Hades 25 Taurus with Algol and SN-Alekto next to that, as I recall.

His Morden parallel my Venus and MC. His Holmes parallel my Uranus, contraparallel Lamb.

His sidereal chart on top. Sid. Grieve on my Lachesis it seems, sidereal NN on his own Holmes, some hits to check. Did you kill me, baby? Aww. I missed you, too.

posted October 03, 2015 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
I know you love talking your chart, same as all of us, but that's not what I asked about.

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Honey, if you ain't learning by example, you ain't learning. All that I have -- as a means of understanding, as well as exploration -- or a potential teaching medium -- is what I already know. Or even 'know'.

Honestly, I don't love it. I find it a necessary evil of understanding the greater whole. Some of it's absolutely cringe-worthy; brings up emotional responses I'd rather be beyond.

But these patterns do not appear overnight; it takes working with it ... and working with it ... and working with it.

Hopefully, though, by seeing how I've used these points in my own natal -- start with the natal! -- and synastry, you'll see how to best use them in yours.

Plus, I'd be pretty hopeless if it weren't for so many other factors converging, which allows the astrology to be more of a 'proof' rather than merely a diagnostic tool. Though, I am fascinated by its potential to be both.

posted October 04, 2015 12:01 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Honey, if you ain't learning by example, you ain't learning. All that I have -- as a means of understanding, as well as exploration -- or a potential teaching medium -- is what I already know. Or even 'know'.

But these patterns do not appear overnight; it takes working with it ... and working with it ... and working with it.

Hopefully, though, by seeing how I've used these points in my own natal -- start with the natal! -- and synastry, you'll see how to best use them in yours.

I know how these points (or some of them) are working for me. How they're working for you? That's a horse of a different colour. But, in any case, the above should be a bit of a roadmap.

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One point or example is you listed things but without me googling Libitina, for example, would have had an entirely wrong idea for why you possibly included it. The asteroid meanings help for a start in seeing a logic as to why them as even a part of any picture. Since I know most mythological figures coming up on the boards on the whole, trying to do anything without the starting point leads to even more blindness, not having a clue what some two random positions in a chart MEAN or might even hint at. If you get what I mean. I can happen to have asteroid Zwonkazoid at 11 Capricorn and someone else at 7 Aries, but if I haven't the faintest idea what Zwonkazoid means or refers to or why I should be checking it out in relation to my career concerns, the numbers will just be numbers and me scratching my head not seeing why.

And yes, it's possible the Morden, Holmes and Libitina are the main ones without a clear established prior myth talked about here, or an easily readable word-style meaning like graves or grieving. Doesn't mean I have any idea why you want Lachesis in a murder/death related synastry even so. Or why you favour Dejanira instead of potentially using 666 Desdemona as well, or what the logic for the picks is to help in having a starting point.

As for an earlier comment of if Tisiphone is heavily configured, the natal obviously, but I suppose there is also the fact that the sidereal Tisiphones conjunct my Juno-Selene-Ptah. His draconic Tisiphone opposes my Moriarty-Horus-Church-Beer-Gopalan-Artemis and more. My 26 Leo asteroids along with the Tisiphone-Karma there move to 0 Capricorn to do no idea what.

There's also that it's Alekto with SN and Hades-Algol, not Tisiphone. Different Fury. His Alekto conjuncts my Angelica-Pele-Fulvia NN and the two Alektos square Tisiphones. There is a combining effect, and all I remember is "implacable anger" of Alekto. Two opposing wraths meet avenging murderous instincts in the middle; even if one Alekto stemmed from your "death, 'evil or sinister', karma" for Hades.

I mean my Tisiphone-Karma also has NOT and Lie with the rest of the gang. He has Swindle-Angelica at 27.23-28.43 Leo between my Karma-Tisiphone and Sun. My Swindle at 8.16 Virgo with Kaali-Fox-Nike-Philosophia and more. Ah, there, forgot or can add in that we both have Swindle conjunct Kaali, since his Kaali is on my Sun. BURN, and the whole world for all Kali cares?

My Angelica-NN conjunct his Alekto, his Tisiphone-Swindle-Angelica-Pluto between 25-29 Leo squaring either the above or his own SN-NN. Or Alekto-OPP-Angelica conj Alekto to Tisiphone-Angelica conj Tisiphone, square the lot. Whether you apply "angelic, angel-like" or the French adventuress to Angelica I suppose is for everyone to decide. In this case I'd lean toward striving toward the angelic to help with the rest?

His Lie 20.33 R Aries conjunct his Destinn-Moon. As said, my Lie was before my Sun in a similar fashion, with NOT etc. His NOT 22.52 Leo and trine his Moon? *shrug*

(Also, I didn't say anything about the earlier sweetie, but the sweeties and honeys you use kind of sound as if you were slightly condescending toward anybody you're talking to on these boards. I realize it's Mercury retrograde so I shouldn't be around at all with any communication nonsense especially bad this time around, but noting how appearances can work.)

So, what was the D'Arrest-SN conjunct Morden in your opinion? Was he arrested or arresting? It's not automatically clear which way the nods go, least of all if tired while first trying to check anything such. There's even the fact that aside Orpheus-Eurydike myths, he sings and thus conforms to the other side of Orpheus as well. You can make up pretty stories of his fetching me from hell all you like though, it's the furious Fury patterns that probably lead there in the first place.

Whatever patterns can only arise through whatever I know of my end, seeing if they and certain asteroids repeat or show on the other side as well. Otherwise it's shots in the dark and throwing stuff in charts to see if anything else shows up. Which is where knowing asteroid meanings helps, as said of my own starting points.

posted October 04, 2015 01:28 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Keela:
One point or example is you listed things but without me googling Libitina, for example, would have had an entirely wrong idea for why you possibly included it. The asteroid meanings help for a start in seeing a logic as to why them as even a part of any picture. Since I know most mythological figures coming up on the boards on the whole, trying to do anything without the starting point leads to even more blindness, not having a clue what some two random positions in a chart MEAN or might even hint at. If you get what I mean. I can happen to have asteroid Zwonkazoid at 11 Capricorn and someone else at 7 Aries, but if I haven't the faintest idea what Zwonkazoid means or refers to or why I should be checking it out in relation to my career concerns, the numbers will just be numbers and me scratching my head not seeing why.

And yes, it's possible the Morden, Holmes and Libitina are the main ones without a clear established prior myth talked about here, or an easily readable word-style meaning like graves or grieving. Doesn't mean I have any idea why you want Lachesis in a murder/death related synastry even so. Or why you favour Dejanira instead of potentially using 666 Desdemona as well, or what the logic for the picks is to help in having a starting point.

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Right. And that's so you'll JUST focus upon the connexions (aspects) you see, rather than knowing WHAT they're about. This is the first time I've been able to guide this research in an unbiased fashion.

I will say, that I'm seeing many things that point to you having a murder pattern between you, but there are a few 'lock' aspects that I'm not seeing. In that case, it's possible that BOTH are avenging a murder together, or were present in another's murder, or affected by it, and so on.

posted October 05, 2015 04:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Right. And that's so you'll JUST focus upon the connexions (aspects) you see, rather than knowing WHAT they're about. This is the first time I've been able to guide this research in an unbiased fashion.

I will say, that I'm seeing many things that point to you having a murder pattern between you, but there are a few 'lock' aspects that I'm not seeing. In that case, it's possible that BOTH are avenging a murder together, or were present in another's murder, or affected by it, and so on.

The trick is to see if one killed the other, or they were both 'involved' in some way regarding a murder, which is now seeking vengeance.

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Saturn-Dej square Libitina got noted, not much else for now. Libitina sextile Dejanira the other way.

My end just tends to put whatever I'm not getting answers in on the backburner until more information is gotten, available or given, possible to get in the first place, since there's as if no point to something after a certain saturation level is reached and nothing more happens anymore without that more. Not saying it's necessarily reached yet, but if I don't know something to help extrapolate or do "research" from, while at the same time your also saying to "do the work" (translating into "How? I don't have half the the tools/info TO work on my own"), I suppose it might seem pointless at some stage at least. (And I'm a notoriously "No" person to anybody trying to make me jump through hoops if not inclined to it for whatever own reasons at my end.)

Hadn't realized there was whatever unbiased need or whatever else in the past not having been so, that is. The chart will be what it will be, and multiple interpretations may exist, at least unless or "until" people decide it's a certain way and not taking arguments to the otherwise. And if some people claim "past life" recalls or the sort, there's nothing unbiased in anything such, and yet it's as if unsubstantiated unless there is something such.

As said, I just don't see much point to merely looking at the pretty pictures of random aspects between unknown asteroids in a chart, since I can't do anything with that at my end. It's just an image. Oh, gosh, a conjunction between two things that say nothing to me. Next. A next something that I can say something about or figure out what the meaning is as well, please. Asteroid Zwonkazoid only conjuncts Arachne at my end, and draconic Venus from 10 Capricorn, but as said, if I don't know what Zwonkazoid means, it's pretty devoid of interest just knowing something like that and will be ignored or forgotten until knowing something to work with. If you want to do work with my Zwonkazoid, that's your thing if I post charts, but it's of no use to me if I have no part in it or am excluded from it. Or our having some differing thing going on and my not being sure what you want when it's as if I can't do what you're telling me to about whatever actual work. Maybe it's the retrograde, but something's not communicating. Potentially not important at the moment, so we'll see.

As for what the thing with the guy is, so far we seem to have posted baby/childhood photos and discussed interests (very much in passing though for two people with fannish or geeky interests galore) when not (yesterday) talking about dead parents. Both of them in his case and one in mine, two of those within the last two years for both. I've never "flirted" by posting childhood photos before, that is. Especially when the socializing is still on levels of nothing particular said of possible attractions (bar a photo remark from me), but where after I say I'm gone for a nap, he 5 minutes later on his side seemingly at random or innocently posts a picture with "I'd rather be in bed" in it. Right. So keeping a straight head it is and not reading everything as a covert message to me. Like his in the evening more publically saying he was going to bed a "happy man" - right after whatever private photo remark from me. Prat. <3 I'd forgotten the way Scorpio dances could go, or the entertaining online interaction stages. (Edit: Until he then ignores me all Monday even the few hours around, even if or with having told me he was heading up North, long drives&travel for most of it.)

posted October 07, 2015 03:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
So, I'm still thinking. And reviewing.

Just to let you know I am here. Had some stuff come up, but I've been contemplating and reviewing your synastry. And how it might relate to your composite, and vice versa.

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Good if someone is. I fell asleep in the armchair before even getting to check the boards here in any way, let alone astrology. Did notice of other charts though that his 8 Sco Cheshirecat is near his ASC and the composite has Alice at 28 Virgo conjunct the Sun-stellium. Cheshirecat 29-0 Vir-Libra as well, when mine is ~22 Leo and not near my ASC, but I am an Alice Ascendant. So we combine the Ascendant-asteroids (me the Alice, he the Cheshirecat, and yeah, he might be, if talking grins suggesting something fun/ny) on the composite Sun I see. His Alice is 21 Scorpio, probably sweeping wide of being contrascia my 6 Leo Alice, but noted for now. His Cheshirecat is contrascia ~21 Leo so that way it is there though. Natal Alice square the other's Cheshirecat both ways for the composite pattern to emerge.

On the Furies side, noting again that the composite has Megaira conjunct Jupiter at that 8 Cancer, as if to emphasize or big that up, I suppose. Alekto-Tisiphone square the combined nodes there (as well?), as said. Trine cMars, sextile the Karma?

It's an interesting chart, with the Norse theme having his Frigga on my Odin, for example, and Odin opposite my Vanadis, Wodan quindecile it. My Wodan on his SN, Frigga inconjunct his Odin. Little things here and there, but have to see what the interaction turns out to be with more time. It's only a "problem" because he does have so much of what I like or want in a man, when I don't run into such good "packages" often. At all, might say.

Highly dangerous when even seeing a 1-year-old baby pic of his lead to the "NEVER happened before" urge to pick the tot up, give him a kiss on the cheek and cuddle (aww) the sweetheart, little babyarms around my neck for a huggie, babies not being my thing at all. Risky when anything such might lead to transference thoughts of his possible kids then being as adorable and aww as he was, when I've never once wanted anywhere near (and even the word potentially giving me hives ) "babies", bleeeugh.

The composite is both great and bad as per Astrodienst's readings ofc, Saturn opposite Moon being nothing but doom to them, even if the Ascendant hits mostly make it something significant to them otherwise. And the Moon on the DC making it something emotional, all that. Didn't yet have the time to look up the "too concentrated composites never last" thread from somewhere either, but wanting to ask if this'd qualify, since there is very little spreading it away from around the Ascendant.

If it's of any use to you or anyone, my Persephone is 3 Libra and he has Proserpina 4.33 Libra, between our 2 and 5 deg Orpheuses. His Persephone 20 R Pisces and my Proserpina ~17 Aquarius. There's a 2 degree quindecile from my Pluto to his Persephone, 3 conjunct his Proserpina. His Pluto's wide of a quindecile my Proserpina, as it'd need to be around 14 Aquarius for a hit.

And what's the deal with h13 Lilith (conj 21.07 Amor) opposite a Venus/Mars midpoint? 20.54 R Capricorn. As said, my Valentine on the composite IC squares his Venus and Mars and is on their midpoint his way around. Male-female unions hit by Valentine and Amor seems a good sign theoretically, but not sure how it'd go in practise. His Semper at ~22.50 Cancer as well, composite S. 28 Virgo with the Sun.

His Amor/Valentine MP is about exactly at 23 Pisces, his Priapus quindecile my DC and his Chiron. My h22 Priapus trine his DC, but doubt you were counting such aspects with those. My Lilith quindecile his Orpheus, my Lamb the other way. Lilith's 20.51 R Pisces so opposite his Jupiter, and my 20's Cupido-Hekate-Stargazer. Inconjunct his Priapus, same as his own Lilith is, so I guess there's some sort of a Yod thing there as well.

Mars with a 2 degree quindecile to Karma both ways if I'm seeing right. Composites had them opposite each other, of course. Very quindecile-happy charts in general, every other thing having it as if as a back-up to make things a DW contact.

Interesting thing is he has a twin brother, but I don't know anything about him yet. So with practically the same chart I suppose a lot that's active here applies to the twin as well, but is in the dark with me for now.

Also, damn, was Juno really conjunct Sun for the eclipse as well? Guess that explains something as well then.

EDIT: 1. I kinda love Scorpio ASCs. That wasn't cybersex, but the conversation descended from out of the blue to his basically getting me worked up to no end, and talking positions or whatever. Oh boy. CAN HAS, yes? Pleeeeeeeease can has, pleeeeease. That or someone similar but better still.

2. Well, especially since he seems to have some stodgy non-feminist ideas about women's earnings compared to men (even if it was earning tons already, rich women, just not getting the same as the male colleagues on the same level with the same talents or skills), cue me having Opinions NOT gelling with his. One unfair thing doesn't negate some others still being unfair in other ways, possibly less unfair than the first unfair or not. Retrograde, yees yees, shouldn't say a thing about anything, but probably also Sun clashing with Pluto or something else from the chart already. Just with me not wanting to argue things to death despite Because WRONG, lest it cut contact, or the M Rx and more. Arguing similar things two days in a row from separate starts, already a pattern. Libras might like debate, I don't.