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Neptune29
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posted November 07, 2015 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neptune29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WH..I have done a lot of thinking on your original question.
My take on that is:

1. Together twin flames are a powerhouse if they agree on something..nothing is impossible.
IF you both decide not to get physically involved but to be in contact professionally.. It is very much possible for you.

2. But as your connection is not a secret for your partners. It will not be possible for you to exercise option 1.
If your husband is scorpian.. He will not accept this.
My husband also has Venus,sun and Uranus in Scorpio and scorpians want all or nothing. They hate dishonesty.
Even though your intention is good.. Your partners may not accept this.

3. Carrying on the current relationship in a hope that once your kids grow up you will meet T doesn't sound good. This will destroy you present married life.your marriage will be a burden.this will just add up in your karma and prolong your union with T.

4. Reading your story I don't feel that you will break your 22 yeas marriage.
And even that is not right. Breaking the existing ties will not enable you to unite with your twin infinitely. You need to carry and live the current relationship and settle them gracefully.
This will make you peaceful.

5. I will suggest you to go ahead on your spiritual path jointly with T.
Meditate.. Surrender to God..stop feeling guilty..respect your feelings..do justice to all your relations but also start your inner spiritual journey with T.. You will certainly meet him in Meditation and that is the ultimate union.
If T is not with you on this journey..HE IS NOT YOUR TWIN FLAME
if God has brought you to this.. He will surely bring you through this..

As I told you.. We have many things common...I will really like to share some of my personal experiences with you. We can help each other. You can contact me at Neptune29@rediffmail.com

Wishing peace for you.

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Aubyanne
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posted November 07, 2015 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was relieved to see this this morning, WH. I'm so glad you shared what you did. It felt as if that part of my heart and soul that was deeply saddened and worried is now calm and reassured.

You have a deep love; your family is the precious product of that. Cherish your Arthur, for he's a rare one, indeed. It's a sacred marriage of its own, as Ceri eloquently stated, and we all want to see true love win.

But I think it did, when you married your husband; when you began your life together. I think it continues to do so. Perhaps T is going to be a very important partner -- soulmates always are -- that will build a wonderful business that does have a very positive impact upon both of your lives. But he may also be the catalyst to remind you to love your husband as the woman you've become, rather than the girl you were. To love with the wisdom of tempered passion, and quiet adoration. To love with the gentle stability that trumps any wild ride. This may have been, as you've said, getting you in touch with your own square, and the 'conflict' that exists between two distinctive parts of your nature. Perhaps you can find a way to truly unite them with the life, and the love, that you have been blessed with right here, today.

That is my deepest hope for you on this journey. And I apologise if I become a bit too forceful in my demand that love win, and that it come across as abrasive and domineering. You speak of your love with the sort of deep happiness that I couldn't help but wonder how you didn't see it. Something, I know, for which anyone would give their all to know.

Something keeps coming to mind, and has for weeks.

But it's no sacrifice; it's just a simple word.
Some things look better, baby. Just passing through.
And it's no sacrifice at all.

You seem happily married, WH -- all things considered. And I think that is a blessing few ever receive.

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posted November 07, 2015 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so I've got to share this. Because this pretty much says all of it.

He just got back from the store. I asked him to get a few things two days ago, which he kept forgetting to pick up, but today he needed some things, so he went to the store. (That's pretty typical.)

Part of fibro is a sleep disorder. Around age 30, I started requiring diphenhydramine for sleep -- that's under the trade name Benadryl. But I'm an adult (who doesn't swallow pills), which means I blow through children's Benadryl bottles, having to take three teaspoons per nightly dose. We both find it annoying, and he complains about it fairly regularly.

A couple of years ago, he picked up something made by the NyQuil manufacturers called 'ZzzQuil', which some of my friends had said was great. Except it has alcohol in it -- and that's a no-go for me. So it's basically sat upon the shelf for ... years. Because it's a high dose (50mg as opposed to the 36mg I usually take) and my stepdaughter doesn't need it anymore, either.

He picks up two bottles of the same stuff, which are alcohol-free. And I'm thinking -- oh, wow. You know, this DOES happen. He'll just up and do something really sweet, really practical, and so much needed for me -- without a word, without expectation -- just does it.

... Kinda. It's not very often. And, he was really already going to get something, and he'll just end up getting something else, too. But still.

I thank him, give him a big hug, and say that this will definitely solve the too-many-bottles-of-liquid-diphenhydramine problem. He has no idea what I'm talking about. I said, 'you picked up the alcohol-free formulation of the ZzzQuil stuff.' He blinks and says, 'oh, I got that for me.' I blink at HIM. 'But you don't take Benadryl.' He said, 'I thought it was some kind of NyQuil.' Then just shrugs it off and says, 'oh. Well. There you go.'

That, in a nutshell, is our marriage.

In his pursuit of acquiring for himself, sometimes, he ends up doing something great for me.

Maybe I should want more than that.

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posted November 07, 2015 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne
I think I'm beginning to understand why you went for an additional relationship. And to wish that you dumped your husband. I get the impression your belief in your "deep karma, too deep to leave" is your way to cope with what you got yourself into. I hope this doesn't offend you. I just...the more I know about him and your relationship, the more it appears like something I couldn't tolerate. Thank you Xenu that I don't do unconditional love.

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posted November 07, 2015 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FmVenusWLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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...there is no point whatsoever to discuss about someone being a TFs, or a couple being a TFs unless they've been at least 15-20 years together and in deep persistent luminous happy love. AT LEAST. And the concept simply doesn't belong in situations involving other people, secret loves, polyamory, unrequited scenarios, relationships at their beginning. It doesn't mean the person in these situations is not the TF, it means it's not the time to describe them or analyze them as such.

Thank you LeeLoo for this wise bit of perspective . I think you are absolutely right. I think it's easy to forget that relationships (platonic or not) need time to grow and evolve. I can admit that, for me especially, allowing this to happen naturally can be difficult at times due to my need for control. Once I step away from my own personal worries and fears it becomes clear to me though: How can anyone label what another person will contribute to his or her life before the relationship (and the two individuals involved) even has a chance to develop? I'm talking "develop" as in living the relationship - living those "little" moments both good and bad...day to day...for years...possibly decades. Time is the important yet often overlooked ingredient here. I believe it is also the answer to the questions posed about this topic: experience our relationships in the present and let things develop without fear or expectation. Once we take ourselves outside of the truth in our hearts and into the web of possibilities our minds create it's easy to become confused and find ourselves lost/searching for something.

It's so cliche to say (and I hate to use words like "meant" and "destined" because they can be taken to imply that personal choice and will are not factors) but as long as we open ourselves to allowing it, what we are meant to experience will come to us. Perhaps in the twilight of our lives we can more "accurately" label our encounters and relationships given that we will have the much needed perspective and maturity to objectively do so. Right now though it does seem rather futile.

Thank you all so much for sharing your thoughts on this and especially you Wild Horses for you thoughtful and inspiring post earlier today. I too am starting to remember what true love really is

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posted November 07, 2015 02:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Maybe I should want more than that.


Yes you should. And that you even phrase this as a question makes me sad.

HELL YOU SHOULD!
You deserve so much better than that!

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posted November 07, 2015 03:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WH,

I am touched that my simple sentence spoke to you like that.
I did not expect it, to be honest (everyone seems to favour Lancelot after all ), but if it helps you finding the truth for yourself and what is important to you, this is a great thing.


For me the fact that I favour ARTHUR might also be because he is on my "axis of Destiny" as I call the 21 Cap-Cancer in my chart, cause my Vertex is on 21 Cancer, my EROS is on 21 Cancer, my Sun/Moon-mp is on 21 Cap. (Pan on 21 Cancer as well), Destinn on 23 Cancer, Don Quixote on 23 Cap (yes I AM an idealist! and maybe a selfish dreamer, as I often see the Quixote character).

But really the fact that Sun/Moon-mp and Vertex axis overlaying each other so EXACTLY(even precisely I think), is why I call it my axis of destiny

And ARTHUR (and interestingly GAWAIN) happen to be on 21 Capricorn, too. Both, exact on that degree.


GUINEVERE is also in Cappy, but on 11 Cap conjunct SPIRIT on 10 Cap, neither aspecting Arthur nor Lancelot (Ginevra is on 26 Sag exact on my Sun btw).

As for LANCELOT, yes, he DOES have something to add to that, or say about it, too. even if I may have talked about him dismissively in this tread.

But he is on 16 Scorpio making a very close Grand trine with my JUNO on 16 Pisces and my Saturn on 16 Cancer. kind of also involving (though more difficult) KARMA on 16 Gemini and Moon on 17 Aquarius and my own name asteroid on I believe the last minute of 16 Taurus.


It is almost funny how for my natal chart the myth seems to be "reversed" as ARTHUR is tied to EROS (even though through opposition), and LANCELOT is tied to JUNO-Saturn. lol

Well ARTHUR is a little difficult though, as it is not only on that axis, ut of course squaring my Chiron on 20 Aries.


BTW GINEVRA on 26°30 Sag is loosely conjunct MERLIN on 24°35 Sagittarius.
So maybe ginevra should refuse both, Arthur and Lancelot, and rather run away with the magician?


Especially since, well this always astounded me, too, in my chart:

ISOLDA on 3°11 Aries (conjunct IC)
square
TRISTAN on 3°43 Capricorn (conjunct Vesta, Stonehenge, Boda, Knight etc.)


while MARK (Tristan`s uncle and Isolda`s husband):

8°57 Taurus

and I also have:

ACTOR 7°31 Taurus
Eros/Psyche-mp: 7°31 Taurus
Part of Marriage: 7°59 Taurus

And again the one, who should be the unloved husband per myth, tied to my Eros. LOL

Funny enough "Lancelot" (well the actor I have seen in that role on stage) incidentally is called "Mark" in real life. LOL

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posted November 07, 2015 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Aubyanne
I think I'm beginning to understand why you went for an additional relationship. And to wish that you dumped your husband. I get the impression your belief in your "deep karma, too deep to leave" is your way to cope with what you got yourself into. I hope this doesn't offend you. I just...the more I know about him and your relationship, the more it appears like something I couldn't tolerate. Thank you Xenu that I don't do unconditional love.


It's a definite pickle, Ano. And I was never looking. But he DID take me absolutely by storm, with his gentle yet oddly steadfast way; clear in his opinion and appreciation of me, but respectful in its execution and conduct. Then I had to follow through and marry my husband, and things were pretty topsy-turvy for about six months. But neither of us were truly ready.

And I thought, okay, I'll resolve things with the karmic soulmate.

... Maybe not.

But it coincided with truly, finally, being ready now, and that's why we began the relationship we have when we did. Two years. Not too shabby, considering everything.

So there are days when I feel as if I'm exactly where I need to be, and doing just what I need to. Then there are others where I'm gritting my teeth and asking, 'is this past the point of no return? Is it not getting better -- but worse?' And, other days still, 'is this all part of it?'

My honest answer is, I don't know. I don't tolerate his abusive behaviour. I demand more -- and I expect it. I give it, freely, and I believe that I should get it -- just as freely. And when I don't, I close into myself, and keep my eye on the prize: my future. Many things would have never been, had we not stayed, and grew -- together. And this happens. I get a sense that we've hit some kind of ceiling, and it's not going to improve. And then it does. But it rarely stays that way.

My boyfriend, with his SUN 0š40 conjunct his SNODE, has oddly enough been one of the best things for him. He's led by example in a way that, once my husband dropped his wounded-ego routine, actually allowed him to grow and become the man he is today -- which is a far cry from what he was.

You might say that I have an inward sense. That, yes, it's all been because of karma we're resolving -- deep karma that first 'came' to me in college. And, like an automaton, I've been banging my symbols and carrying along this crazy track. But free will. Ahhhh.

And I don't know what will happen. I feel that I'm at a crossroads, and I've been here for awhile -- and I'll be here for awhile longer. I feel that, for all his faults, he's a better man. And my boyfriend is in no way perfect. He just loves me the best that he can without expectation of the same -- and that, for me, made all the difference.

So I work on my series. I prepare to meet with Hulu, and talk to Netflix. My mind is on these things -- as I help my husband with his own project, and participate in projects my boyfriend and I also share, and just keep on doing the life thing. As my stepdaughter gets ready to start high school in May, and my husband and I prepare to move to Burbank, near her new school, and the studio where I'll be shooting. And Jack bides his time until I can do these things, as he ekes out a living as a freelance creative, caring exclusively for his elderly mother, as he's officially ended his career as a background actor, as of my birthday. (It just happened to coincide.)

So the word that keeps repeating is 'prepare'.

I get a 'glimpse' of the next year in flashes; my husband travelling to conventions all over the country, promoting his comic book, which he's developed with my boyfriend. As he and I take care of things on the home front, further developing our own projects, in preproduction and production, depending, and this becomes the new normal. That my husband's girlfriend accompanies him on these trips, no longer afraid to fly, feeling more independent, tackling her weight issues, as I counsel her through these anxieties, and my husband and I both give each other something of a fist-bump, because we're happy to be helping people we love.

And that feels worth it to me. This temporary period, where I'm whinging about what I don't have, seems to make me strive for what I can have -- and will have, if I keep working for it. And, should we decide that it's best we end our marriage, I'll only do so amicably. Go on something of a pilgrimage, but keep Jack in my life, as we have so many things tying us together in several ways. Among them, a deep love and friendship. A sense of family.

Both of our lives would have to change considerably, along with ourselves, in order to realise a very different reality. And, perhaps, some day. Perhaps the complicated bittersweet, and the underlying discontent is what makes me strive to better it, until I can no longer do so.

SATURN-VENUS-SUN in the composite, yo. 12H. The struggle is real.

It's as if ... I'll know. Things will be different. I won't be running away; packing my bags and fleeing because 'I just can't even' anymore. I know that we all say this, but I do truly believe it's karma that keeps us repeating the cycle -- until we won't.

I stayed, because I suddenly 'remembered' my stepdaughter as my little boy, as his drunken father raged out of the house, and had died in a car accident, while I thought he was staying at a hotel -- and didn't find out for almost three days. And I never forgave myself for, in that moment, preparing to leave -- because, suddenly, there was nothing TO leave.

I don't think this strange 'memory' of 'the past' was the first time, either. I think the two of us have a complex history of this nature. My boyfriend now being a part of the picture feels like a 'resolution line'. That he only comes around when significant changes are on the wind, and cycles are ending. I've always gotten that sense from him.

And so I don't bide my time, or wait. I just live. I live in the moment as much as possible. But, I'm also human, so there are days that I'm saddened; that I get lost in the past, and I worry about the future.

But, WH, if only we could all be so fortunate to enjoy the marriage that you have with your husband. Love your Arthur, and get counselling if you must. Some things are apples and oranges, and I think these are.

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Aubyanne
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posted November 07, 2015 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes you should. And that you even phrase this as a question makes me sad.

HELL YOU SHOULD!
You deserve so much better than that!


Ceri. <3

You do such wonderful things here: the voice of reason, compassionate as needed, and firm when required. I really thank you for that. You always seem to know, and to see what I may be avoiding -- regardless of my reasons. You've marched to your own beat, and allowed yourself to truly blossom into a proud leader in such crucial areas. Truly magnificent. It's all going to pay off, too. There's a future of greater joy and companionship that awaits you.

I'll never forget the feeling of those gentle rays of sunshine, streaming through the window on the day that you married. I don't know what my life was, or its circumstances. But that I knew. And I knew it was a glorious day, filled with such love. Some things you just know -- somehow, despite your stringent logical controls. That's something I just know.

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posted November 07, 2015 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've, uh, got an update here.

In the past few hours, my husband received a call that his very old father -- in his early 90s -- was admitted to hospital with a stroke following a fall. This has happened, and they've always had a complicated relationship, his being very narcissistic. But he wants to be there when he's released from hospital, and to take a trip to see his mother, too, and do what he does, which is actively manage the family trust.

My parents are ... money is a sticky wicket. Always has been. So, with us being unable to pay for both of us to fly, and his mom footing his fare, I'm going to be here again -- this time for 5 days. The last trip he really missed me, and wished I could've been there, but I thought I should be here for the kiddo to do Hallowe'en. Best laid plans, huh?

So, this marks the third time in less than 6 months, that my husband is travelling -- the first being to visit his girlfriend, the second being the convention on Hallowe'en, and now this.

Is this some kind of ... sign? I don't even know anymore.

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posted November 08, 2015 04:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Auby.

BTW I am sorry to hear about your father in law having a stroke. I hope he`ll recover well.

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posted November 08, 2015 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you, Auby.

BTW I am sorry to hear about your father in law having a stroke. I hope he`ll recover well.


I feel that he will. That man is quite something. 93!

Instead, it's all so strange.

In July, he stayed at a hotel with his girlfriend. First time we were ever apart, and broke the 'never sleep away from each other' rule.

Then in late August, visited her for a weekend.

In late October, he did the convention -- 4 days.

Now, in late November, he's going back to Dallas for a 5-day trip, first time without me.

Huh.

He doesn't seem angry or resentful, either. It's just happening this way.

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posted November 10, 2015 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted November 10, 2015 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have to say, too, Wild, that nothing ever happens in a vacuum. Out of the billions on the planet, it's easy to forget with the 'size' of LL, that we're actually a very, very tiny sliver of the population. And when we find ourselves back in 'front' of each other -- again and again -- it's hardly 'coincidence'.

Just as you've 'found your way back home', I've come to realise how truly lost in the woods I still am. But it's okay. Just as Ceri's odd, amazing superpower is to shine a highbeam of truth into anything -- especially when it involves true love -- she knew just the thing to say that would help you see your own truth, too. (Ask me how I know.)

And while I can't say that recent events have led me to upend my life, I can say that it's led to yet another deeper understanding of it. My husband is back to being exactly as he usually is when everything is copacetic. The status quo. It's almost as if none of it even happened. But I know that it did, even as 'flimsy' as the past is, (in terms of quantum physics, and the nature of time) -- I know that it was. We're laughing, and carrying on ... watching good reviews of bad movies, and doing our work. But I can't forget that 80% of his responses yesterday, and for the past week, were a deflated, half-annoyed, 'yes, dear'. And I had this moment of:

' ... I want more.' Not just I should want more, but I want more. And I've tried; God, I've tried.

And this morning, as I'm reading through your response, my heart smiling at how much happiness and peace you've recovered, of such a deep and abiding nature, I had the weirdest thing come into my head.

'I don't understand a God who would let us meet, if there's no way we could ever be together.'

Is it familiar? It was my seventeen-year-old obsession. Bet Ceri knows it; bet she even saw the original film of which it's a remake -- the 1987 German film Wings of Desire. (Gotta say, Hollywood did make a less schmaltzy name, though.)

City of Angels. 1998. Ohhh, what a time for me. I'd been writing my 'transdimensional semi-romantic fantasy fiction' for the past few years, since those dreams started up when I was around 14. I think it was my way to cope with feelings that were bubbling up inside with nowhere to go.

But this film blew the lid off of everything. Even with the oh-so-Cagey acting, and the hit-and-miss script, it was exactly what complicated adolescent me needed. A love story about a dude who only kinda sorta exists, and the chick who's become inexplicably obsessed with him, even though she's all no-nonsense and hardly a hopeless romantic, and --

-- my God, why was this thing so analogous to what I was feeling in the depths of my soul?

Won't spoil the ending. As a teen, hated it -- but saw its merit. As an adult, I applaud its bold choices. I'll leave it at that. (I should see the original German now .... )

Anyhow, that line stayed with me. And, to some extent, I think it's underscored every instance of the 'twin flame' thing that I've encountered.

I don't understand a God who would let us meet, if there's no way we could ever be together.

Yeah. I mean, c'mon. We've got this sekrit mission where there's a segment of the population that are here to help the rest of us believe in real love again? Even the dolts like myself who grew up with it? But let her adult life convince her, 'that's not possible.' ?

And then there's no way to be together -- without ripping apart real love?

I don't buy that. No. If anything, it'd be ripping OFF the bandage that has been holding your status quo together -- but isn't true happiness. Maybe the sort of love that's fair-weather and masquerades as true love in the good times, but, in reality, is real friendship. Or even real obligation. I don't even know anymore.

But I knew the feeling I had when seeing that film; granted, I'd already been having that bizarre feeling, thanks to the strangeness of my own life. But I gave it up, too. I decided I needed to grow up. Put away the juvenile longings.

Which, spoken like a true 5H Aries MOON, Jack said, 'that's a terrible idea! What would you do that for?'

But that's what this whole thing is supposed to be about. Real love that crosses boundaries and establishes a new status quo -- one of authenticity and true love.

Of course you'll always care for your Lancelot, but as Ceri said, he was a later addition to 'spice things up'. The truth was always the sacred marriage between Arthur and Guinevere. I rather like that more myself anyhow.

So, happy belated birthday to your soul- and lifemate, and I'm so glad that true love wins.

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:

It's like your comments about Arthur were 'destined' to set off a chain reaction of feelings and deep thoughts in me that played an important role in healing our marriage.


I feel very touched by that. Thank you.


I have not checked my Arthurian asteroids lately, though I suspect there must be something going on.
I`ve been nudged - read N.U.D.G.E.D lately to another performance of that musical about Arthur.

It came as total surprise, I saw it in Switzerland 2 years ago, and now coincidentally the little theatre festival I love so much in a small medieval village apparently has gotten the rights to perform it as well. I certainly did not expect that, not soo soon.
Of course Mr Sag will not play Arthur this time, but I wanted to see the musical again nevertheless, but the trip to Switzerland would have been too far (once is enough. lol).

And just when I had almost made up my mind about it, today a flyer of this theatre festival came per mail, informing about the fact they are going to play Artus/Excalibur and when the booking stars.
It`s just I have never been on their mailing list before. Or at least i have never received anything.

So yeah, I guess something with th eArthurians will be going on for me as well.

I mean apart from the fact that my pr MC is exact on my n Lancelot and my pr ASC just progressed over n Guinevere

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posted November 10, 2015 03:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

Tr Arthur is exact on my n Mars-IRELAND in 12th house (and applying to my ASC within 2 degrees)

Tr Lancelot has just passed over my n Guinevere by 2 degrees and my p ASC.


pr Lancelot just having come into one degree applying to n Valentine
There I was saying Lancelot is not for me, and here he is, sprinkled all over the predictive charts!

pr Guinevere however is on 20 Cap, and hence applying to my n Arthur


And pr Arthur is conjunct pr Sun on 7 Aqua exact
(highlighting the degree where my pr fullmoon took place earlier this year)


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Auby,

no I did not see it.
But I did see the remake, City of Angels. It touched me. And just the same emotional response to it as you had. But it`s ... transdimensional.

Finding eternity in one moment - like the whole ocean is present in one single drop of water.

I donīt know why or where that came from, but it was something my almost teenage SElf wrote in her diary. Sometimes I wrote things I did not even understand myself. lol
Quite often actually.
So don`t ask me what I really want to say with this sentence. I know, deep inside it makes sense to me, but I cannot really put it into words.


There was another film that stayed with me, much much later.

These two quotes especially:

"Before everything,

the devil is the father of lies.

The lies you tell,

the truth you don't tell.

Everything hidden

is theft.

Everything reserved

from those we love is fraud."

and this one, still can`t watch the end without feeling some kind of internal tremor, it hurts too much.


"When I was a boy,

I fell out of a tree.

But I managed just

to grab a branch.

I hung there

for a long time, terrified.

The silence...

then the pain

in my arms...

and the blood pounding

in my ears.

And then, I fell.

I don't remember...

what happened

when I hit the ground.

All I can remember now...

is the agony

of holding on...

and the wonderful feeling...

wonderful...

of letting go.


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posted November 10, 2015 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
and this one, still can`t watch the end without feeling some kind of internal tremor, it hurts too much.


"When I was a boy,

I fell out of a tree.

But I managed just

to grab a branch.

I hung there

for a long time, terrified.

The silence...

then the pain

in my arms...

and the blood pounding

in my ears.

And then, I fell.

I don't remember...

what happened

when I hit the ground.

All I can remember now...

is the agony

of holding on...

and the wonderful feeling...

wonderful...

of letting go.


You're channelling Jude Law again I think. Or if recognize whatever crocodile-in-the-title-I-think movie right. Or Wisdom of something or the other, if it wasn't crocodiles.

And maybe the remake was more pertinent for both of you to see, but the originals are far superior and love songs to not only Berlin but also life and so much more. They're beautiful, the remake is perhaps even crass (or obviously inferior IMO) in comparison. Vastly different movies, even the two German originals, let alone the US remake. But also about "Who we fall for" in two different ways, whether angel or human.

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posted November 11, 2015 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Keela:
You're channelling Jude Law again I think.

She does that. It's kinda her thing -- at least one of them.


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posted November 11, 2015 01:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems to happen when my life is falling apart.

Just kidding, no seriously, somehow pops up at significant junctures/ crossroads in my life.

but Jude Law or not, that end monologue really affected me, but then so did the one in the "Alfie-remake".
I remember sitting there, totally shocked realizing: "Holy freakyness, that is me!"
(in a non sexual non masculine way of course, but I can`t help seeing the parallels to my behavioural pattern, at least back then)

so maybe it DOES have something to do with Mr Law.
He mirrors (at least in his art) some traits back at me that I rather not look too closely at. lol

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posted November 11, 2015 01:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It`s kinda fitting he sort of sneaked into this thread

His LANCELOT opposes my GUINEVERE by 0°15
(they are of course contraparallel exact, too )

And well, this is really a funny coincidence, I really have not had a look at his chart for ages, but I do so when my pr LANCELOT conjuncts his n GUINEVERE at 21 minutes (though already separating)

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who participated in this thread. You guys gave me so much to think about and shared so much insight, wisdom, and thoughtfulness. Especially, thank you for the REAL words, the ones that may not have been what I wanted to hear, but were the ones I needed to hear.

My husband's birthday was the other day (Nov. 7th), and we spent some wonderful time together. It seemed very fitting that his birthday marked a 'new beginning' for us.

Astrologically speaking, one of the things I noticed was that the immense inner tension I was feeling from my tight natal Sun-Venus square Moon-Pluto, which is being triggered by my progressed Venus hitting my natal Sun-Venus, seemed to dissipate to a remarkably noticeable degree. It felt like once I made the 'decision' in my mind of what I was going to do, then the tension was just gone - almost instantly. Once the inner conflict felt 'solved', then the tension just vanished.

Obviously, I still care for T. Those feelings didn't just disappear overnight, but I feel like I've put them in their proper place. They don't belong between my husband and me, and now they're not. I do believe I will be able to have a positive life-long friendship with T, and I believe without a doubt that he is an incredibly important soulmate, but I won't be letting him usurp my husband's place in my heart. I do hope for him that he and his wife will find the same peace in their marriage, and that they will be able to heal, too.

@ Ceri, I wanted to tell you something I thought was cool. Your 'axis of destiny' at 21° Cap/Cancer forms a Grand Cross with the DC ruler Uranus opposite Chiron in the Composite and Davison of my husband and me. It's 1° in Comp. and 0° exact in Davison. It's like your comments about Arthur were 'destined' to set off a chain reaction of feelings and deep thoughts in me that played an important role in healing our marriage. There were also major transits and progressions going on with the Camelot themed asteroids, too.

Again, thank you all so much. You guys help make LL a great place to share, learn, and grow.


Also wanted to say I was touched by your message about hubby, I wish both of you love and happiness together.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

LeeLoo's Esotericorner

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