posted November 06, 2015 11:21 PM            

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I honestly have to disagree with this entirely. 'Obsessive love' is what I've experienced with my karmic soulmates. It's actually something of a red-flag for me. Evolved love shouldn't be caught in the trappings of human 'failings', you know? Such as obsession. That's a particularly nasty one, borne of addiction and insecurity. To me, that doesn't seem like it'd be a feature.

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posted November 06, 2015 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Neptune29:
I am talking about obsession in a positive manner..which leads them to unite to infinity.

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posted November 06, 2015 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It may be a language barrier, but I don't see obsession as positive. Do you mean mutually dedicated to working towards a singular goal? As in, together? Rather than one being obsessed with the other?

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posted November 06, 2015 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
After all, this person is the person who's soul feels like the twin of your soul. That's the bottom line of it.

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Yeah, but what does that mean? Twin of my soul? Honey, I could name five people, right off, who feel like twins of my soul. I can even tell you why.

So, I need more. I need much, much, much more. And people hate that, and I'm sorry. I'm here for you. I'm here for me. I'm here for everyone who is taking this journey -- or trying to. I'm the hard-nosed sceptic separating the wheat from the chaff. Saying, 'tell me why,' and expecting good answers.

And I'm just not seeing anything that atypical. And that may be why you're not about to do anything and everything in your power to be with this man, and make it work. It may even be why the Universe hasn't carved you a path, which might allow you to do so. Something feels ... missing. Something feels ... not quite right.

Sometimes, we find ourselves astounded by the lengths to which we'll go for something. Not for lust. Not even for 'garden-variety love'. You're in a lot of pain and experiencing so much turmoil. I've got to ask why. I've got to ask you to ask yourself why. Why have you locked yourself into a no-win situation? Where you're driving yourself mad?

If you're honestly twin flames -- or twin souls, or whatever the hell that phrase even means -- then why do you think you're here? What do you think you're here to DO? I mean, it's not just to encircle each other for years miserably, you know?

It was NOT easy for my boyfriend to actually become my boyfriend. But, these days, I don't feel it begins to capture even the slightest essence of what we truly are to each other. And it makes logical sense to me, because I KNOW why we're here, and what we're to do, and why we're to do it.

I was spinning my wheels, for almost 3 years, in my last 'relationship'. I learnt a lot, but there was so much pain, too. Something was missing.

And there's something bizarrely beautiful, I think, about the Universe 'stamping' such relationships with its 'approval'. You've got to be courageous enough to show up for it, though, and KNOW what you're there to do.

I'm not asking you to split your life apart. I'm asking you WHY you and T are even here with each other now. If it's JUST to drive each other crazy with unresolved tension, then that's a soulmate type thing.

There has to be a reason, WH. This much I've seen time and again, and I'm adhering to it.

So what's your reason?

Would this business change the world? Would it make a huge impact upon millions of people? Would you be doing something that, looking back, you'd realise it made a real difference in the lives of many?

posted November 07, 2015 12:04 AM            

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An overarching attitude has begun to prevail ... of spiritual rivalry and competition where people's egos are interfering with true sharing of information. It's devolving into a spiritual pi$$ing contest...

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This is something I've noticed as well and am personally very bothered/confused by.

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What I want is for us all to be able to share our experiences with one another in a spirit of openness and friendship where we can compare notes and try to gain some understanding without fear of judgement from those who feel they hold the 'stamp of approval' in their hands. I completely reject the notion that any person needs another person to "Validate Their Claim" in such a highly personal matter. Only a person's own soul can validate this claim, and we each are on our own journey there. ...I just do not feel it is my place or anyone else's to judge for another person who is and who is not their twinsoul/twinflame. That's audacious.

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posted November 07, 2015 12:41 AM            

I don't actually refer to Jack as my twin flame; something about the whole 'commercialisation' of the phenomenon -- whatever it is -- just irks me deeply. As much as I'm seeking the truth, I can't 'latch on' to something which I feel is suffering from so much misunderstanding, confusion, and downright apophenia. I don't want the fantasy -- if it isn't reality.

And yet, and yet, even I can't deny how much I actually cannot explain -- and I've diligently tried. There's just not enough truly good information out there to allow us to arrive at good, logical, legitimate conclusions -- regardless of how incredible and illogical so much of the phenomenon itself may seem, or truly be.

So, I'm just searching; critically evaluating and constantly assessing and reassessing -- my own experiences, and those of others.

I hope you don't mind my actively engaging in what is an important facet of my purpose. But, legitimately, if it's offending you, WH, I won't do so here. I just feel that experiences like yours are the kind which I feel are the most in need of this sort of critical analysis and careful exploration. They're the ones that feel borderline to me, because, while I'm not seeing anything I haven't heard before, I'm seeing someone who is passionately dedicated to the idea that this is their reality.

posted November 07, 2015 12:50 AM            

And, I think, if there is more going on than to what we've been privy, and they are legitimately twin flames (whatever that honestly means, as I'm not sure I know how to distinguish it from soulmates, when this is the relayed experience, which makes me feel like not the best judge here) than the business that they'd form would be their purpose -- right?

I sometimes wonder if the reason that my boyfriend and I experience such an overwhelming sexual attraction -- both being asexual -- isn't because we've had to explore so much about sexuality in order to help a lot of people -- which is something we've been slowly doing.

I'm not saying that EVERY sexual relationship has to have a purpose, but ours absolutely has, since the very start of it -- a very clearly defined purpose. And I've always thought that very interesting.

posted November 07, 2015 02:26 AM            

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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
I seriously mean no disrespect Auby, but I think you are over-intellectualizing and redirecting the initial question to address a more personal struggle rather than participating in a conversation relating to the OP. Instead of adding to the discussion you are standing atop a sounding board poised and ready to refute the thoughts, feelings, and experiences of a complete stranger based on anecdotal evidence provided in a few paragraphs on a public forum and your own passionately held notion that your truth is the only acceptable truth.

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I'm with you, FMV. And, I realise that I feel she's not quite asking the question at hand, as much as she may be seeking a kind of validation for the feelings she's having. That's just my perception, whether or not it's actually so. I'm seeking truth, though, rather than espousing it. I'm searching.

posted November 07, 2015 02:46 AM            

But what I hadn't realised, if going by certain general definitions and defined roles, that I'm becoming a shaman in my own right. The Wounded Healer. The transdimensional guide. The one who traverses worlds in order to bring back messages to the greater community, for teaching and knowledge -- to provide aid. To offer advice and healing.

Wow. All of this has been my initiation -- the 'initiatory crisis' -- which would lead me to finding my true path.

CHIRON is my skipped step, after all; no wonder! This is ... amazing! We're a couple of shamans. Literally. No wonder his CHIRON is on the Aries Point. Suddenly, SO much is making sense!

posted November 07, 2015 03:00 AM            

It depends entirely upon whether or not there is a purpose for sexual relationship that goes beyond mere physical, or even emotional, gratification.

If you are truly twin flames, you will be able to find fulfillment without it unless it is crucial to your journey -- both together and independently -- as well as the shared purpose which you're here to accomplish above all else.

For me, he had literally been a guide throughout my adolescence, ending before I left college. He appeared to me in many dreams of great importance, and was instrumental in helping me to find my way. He was an archetype, that found manifestation in my work as a result. (I've got some lovely artist renditions of the character he inspired, dating back to 2003.)

This is the main reason why, upon meeting him, I couldn't process it; I didn't believe it was possible that he could exist.

When we began our sexual relationship (in order to heal deep psychological wounds within each of us -- or to attempt to begin doing so) it had a profound effect upon me, energetically speaking. Time would slow -- at times actually stopping for several minutes -- when we were together intimately; at times, I would almost feel drained -- lightheaded. I would physically tremble afterwards, and he identified that I was actually going through the stages of shock! That night, as I was sleeping, I would have dreams of alternate dimensions and lifelines, in which I would know who he was within them, even if he appeared differently. (I've seen that periodically throughout my life, so it didn't surprise me.) But I would also see a 'flash' of him becoming himself, only for a fleeting moment, in which it was confirmed who he was. And he was ... everything. So many roles. So many versions. So many types of relationships, associations, and experiences. I lost track, even though I recorded every single one. Dozens.

The following day, I felt as if I'd been through a transmutation process; that everything in my energy field had been cleansed, and healed. I really think it had been, too -- that whatever I had been fighting or dealing with had been removed (during) processed (while 'dreaming') and then returned with this wonderful kick that had me feeling on top of the world. It was incredible!

It also is evidently something very important to the two of us -- especially considering we've never sought sexual gratification (being asexual). It was always for a very clear purpose that was never a conventional one. Nonetheless, dear to us, and our work together regarding healing deep wounds.

I suspect the same would go for a twin flame relationship. Sex would not need to be a feature unless it was relevant to the couple's purpose. But these are just my thoughts, somewhat based in my own experience, though all mileage will vary.

posted November 07, 2015 03:37 AM            

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Wow. One thing led to another thing, and then another thing, and I was recalling something that Jack had said this weekend, about starting to feel as if he was finally 'deserving' of calling himself a shaman. I just blinked at him, like, wasn't this obvious? Of course he was!

But what I hadn't realised, if going by certain general definitions and defined roles, that I'm becoming a shaman in my own right. The Wounded Healer. The transdimensional guide. The one who traverses worlds in order to bring back messages to the greater community, for teaching and knowledge -- to provide aid. To offer advice and healing.

Wow. All of this has been my initiation -- the 'initiatory crisis' -- which would lead me to finding my true path.

CHIRON is my skipped step, after all; no wonder! This is ... amazing! We're a couple of shamans. Literally. No wonder his CHIRON is on the Aries Point. Suddenly, SO much is making sense!

Just had to share.

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...at least in the context of this thread, I don't see advice, healing, or transdimensional wisdom being provided so much as a show of indulging yourself in your own personal mythos. Everything else seems to be either added in as an afterthought or, ironically, warranting a kind of validation. This is especially confusing given how dismissive you have been of others' experiences based on your "engagement in true critical analysis", how adamant you've been in your assertions about the intangible, and your demand that others justify to you their own personal convictions while your own remain unchecked in your "search" for truth.

posted November 07, 2015 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
...at least in the context of this thread, I don't see advice, healing, or transdimensional wisdom being provided so much as a show of indulging yourself in your own personal mythos.

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I don't think you're really grokking me here, and that's okay. I have no personal mythos; I have a collection of unique experiences. That's it. That's all. Period. I keep trying to find association, or simpatico, or -- I wish most of all -- empathy. But I gave up looking for that. Now I'm just the sceptic trying to find the truth.

I'm tired of everyone being so laissez faire on the subject. If you ask me, that's why so much bad information has continued to be propagated. And, heaven forbid anyone actually expresses an opinion that they don't find something exceptional. Even if they're actually going the legwork. It seems that's 'disallowed' here. In a forum I moderate.

This wasn't even about astrology, if anyone cared to notice. She merely asked if anyone had been able to manage a platonic relationship while married with someone else who's married with whom she wishes sexual involvement. The astrology was hardly even discussed. Instead the whole thing devolved into a largely indulgent advice thread. And I'm the one getting hammered for saying, 'sorry, I disagree with the premise of your entire argument'?

Wow. So much for honest debate. As I've said, I'll be in Soul Unions if anyone is interested in critically analysing this type of connexion or phenomenon. As far as I'm concerned, I've nothing more to contribute to this. I've given her my final advice, and that's all I can honestly do.

posted November 07, 2015 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
This is especially confusing given how dismissive you have been of others' experiences based on your "engagement in true critical analysis", how adamant you've been in your assertions about the intangible, and your demand that others justify to you their own personal convictions while your own remain unchecked in your "search" for truth.

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Oh, I wanted to respond to this.

I'm not sure how I've been 'assertive' about the intangible. You may want to clarify that -- but elsewhere. I've become dismissive of others' experiences when they are no longer exceptional to me. Yes, I get that they are exceptional to them, but I'm not here to coddle them, either, so it may be best I refrain from engagement in these sorts of threads. But I always find myself a little hopeful that maybe THIS one will be truly exceptional, or contain unique features that will build upon the research I've already done. Sometimes it does. But many times, sadly, it does not.

Like you, actually, I've been unable to believe in the entire phenomenon -- and for this reason. Yes, my standards are high, but I can't apologise for them. I'm looking for either proof of its existence, or to be able to successfully disprove what remains inconclusive. There's a lot more in the 'easily disproved' camp right now than that which is genuinely inconclusive. Including my own experiences. And, until I'm able to confirm them, that's how they remain.

As to things being unchecked? I am more than happy to share with you what I have obtained or acquired in my search for truth. It's been most notable since the dawn of 2012, so I do find that intriguing in its own right. I honestly have nothing to hide. I'm not trying to float some fantasy, nor am I seeking personal validation or for that of my relationships or decisions. I acted soundly. I know this.

All of this goes far beyond me. If you're interested in any of it, I am an open book.

posted November 07, 2015 04:05 AM            

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posted November 07, 2015 04:33 AM              

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
I appreciate everything you've said, LeeLoo. It is an emotionally wrenching thing, and honestly, I'm just so truly thankful to have a place like LL to come and talk about these things with others. It does help to relieve some of the pent up frustration. Even when someone disagrees, it's still a comfort to come here, and your voice is one I appreciate. So, please, don't think I'm offended by anything you say. I appreciate honesty and candor. I appreciate and respect the fact that you call it like you see it. I know it's an ugly situation that sometimes involves some ugly truths. So, nothing but respect for you, besides, Leos are my favorites. I adore you guys.

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Thank you very much for this message, WH

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posted November 07, 2015 06:48 AM              

He's your husband and he loves you, and wants you back. But what if one day the shadow side of his hurt emerges? Is this twin flame fellow worth it? I mean, I am only a mars in Scorp and I know how deeply and insanely it hurts when the one you love falls for someone else. He is that times three.

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I remembered lying sick in the bed with a horrible strep throat infection, running a 103° temperature, burning up with fever and unable to move. Chills, shaking, aching... then, excuse the TMI, but that time of the month arrived. It was the last thing in the world I felt like dealing with on top of the painful sickness I was already enduring, but a woman's body doesn't care about those things, when it's that time- it's that time. The problem was, I had no 'feminine supplies', and my husband, without even hesitating, dropped everything and dashed to the store to buy what I needed, then upon returning, felt my temperature had spiked even higher, then rushed me to the hospital, stayed right by my side, and made sure I got all my prescriptions, and took such good care of me. Virgo love. Nothing flashy or over the top passionate, just sweet, simple, there for you, taking care of you and serving you Virgo love. My mind remembered. 23 years of little moments like that which I had let my heart forget. My heart wanted passion, intensity, extreme life-changing soul-wrenching hunger. It got it. Natal Venus square Pluto. Damn Venus square Pluto. Natal Venus square Pluto is a motherfrickin' ***** . A heart wrecking, marriage wrecking, life wrecking ***** . I don't want it.

My natal late Gemini Sun-Venus very tightly squares my Moon-Pluto in late Virgo. I think all of this confliction comes down to that inner struggle. I think my Progressed Venus, which is right on top of my natal Venus right now, and 1° applying toward my natal Sun just set that square off inside me like never before in my life. It's been emphasizing my Gemini qualities more, and tilting me away from my Virgo qualities. My husband and I have a Composite 1st house all-personal-planets stellium in Virgo. I let myself forget how sweet and pure Virgo love can be. It's not as dramatic and full of intensity, but it's sweet, simple, reliable, dependable, honest, and devoted.

I'm beginning to remember now.

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