posted November 09, 2015 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
my take on oppositions and conjunctions is that they form a dialectic but with harmony an opposition functions as a conjunction. so the opposition can be favorable or unfavorable .
todd

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when i first got into astrology I was of the mind that oppositions could indeed be extremely favourable and they fell out of favour with me but I don't know why.... logically I know they are complex, and they take on the flavour of that which is in aspect... i do understand that they can be positive, and negative--that they represent a polarity and vibrate similarly to a conjunction (which of course can also be positive and negative!).

With Venus-Sun conjunctions touted as THE happy relationship aspect I guess I just have trouble seeing the opposition in the same light, never having heard the same glowing recommendations.

posted November 09, 2015 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:

I find it interesting that many different focus of astrology all then to give the same picture.as you see I rely heavily on aspects , yet I have read interpretations virtually identical to mine by astrologers using only houses and signs.
then there are asteroids which give the same pictures but with totally different symbols' i have decided the chart is like an onion. each layer may be different but it is still from the same onion. this is why I have never criticized another astrologer's interpretation even if I have a different take.as I like to say we all have all signs.

rahu

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posted November 09, 2015 09:49 PM            

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posted November 09, 2015 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
well Saturn is still in line to be transited so by transference of light the lilth/mars/Saturn pattern is still happening
actually Saturn is square exactly tomorrow.
Uranus will be square on nov 25.
so it seems as if with lilt at 2 libra44 and the node transiting on7/28 , tha to be flowing though the afore mentioned emotional confusion may have started as the node went across mars at 1lib33 on 8/13 ,situations may have been responding to your initiative I as I mentioned above you acted spontaneously.
but with satrun's transit coming up it seems after augut that you started to feel restricted ad things started to go amiss that us7ually went well.
this frustration is bout to end and as the node heads toward a square to Uranus, your energy will pickup ad new options are likely. but know itmayu be the surplus of psychic energy that confuses you.

todd

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Oh this is very interesting... yes... in August I was in my power... the middle of September things took a terrible turn for the worst.

Right now I'm experiencing great concern for the health of a family member, related to teeth and possibly focal infection... considering arranging for an extraction tomorrow, we've got an appointment.... have been keeping things ok for so very long with excellent nutrition, no phytic acid, etc. and successfully remineralizing the teeth but the diet was interrupted and things have gone down hill... wondering about the appointment tomorrow.. if Saturn is making the exact square to the Nodes... aye aye aye... wondering if we can turn it around with nutrition still..

transiting Chiron is conjunct my Ceres and transiting Saturn is square her Venus/Chiron/Ceres/Neptune stellium... I'm so worried but trying to keep my thoughts positive.

posted November 09, 2015 11:05 PM            

but back on topic...

posted November 09, 2015 11:39 PM            

This relationship is sort of demanding my attention right now. His Valentine is trine my Venus I'm noticing... and our composite Moon-Amor conjunction trines my Venus and his Valentine.

I'm trying to feel out how to approach the relationship--the door is open to resume a meaningful friendship but I don't see how we can keep it just friends given all the romantic aspects. I know it's possible (enter Tantalus)... or I think it must be... many friends must have aspects like this right

posted November 09, 2015 11:41 PM            

oops I'm talking myself into it. Better quit that.

posted November 10, 2015 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:
... well Saturn is still in line to be transited ...

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But you don't mean directly, as a Saturn Return in the composite, right? But aspected by other points -- like tSUN and so on.

posted November 10, 2015 01:42 PM            

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Beside Moon and Venus being square the nodal axis, they are also each foruming a Wedge with some asteroids.

Moon trine Juno
Valentine trine Ceres
Moon sextile Ceres
Moon sextile Valentine

and

Venus trine Eros
Uranus trine Pholus
Venus sextile Pholus
Venus sextile Uranus

And my n Saturn on 16°57 Cancer closely opposes c-Venus,
his n Venus on 25°55 Capricorn is conjunct c-Moon, albeit a little widely.

In terms of midpoints the above mentioned aspect-constellation of course results into

Ceres conjunct Moon/Juno
Moon conjunct Ceres/Valentine

(and Psyche conjunct Juno/Valentine, but that is because of the opposition)

plus

(Venus might be out of orb for conjunct Uranus/Pholus)

but

posted November 10, 2015 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
But you don't mean directly, as a Saturn Return in the composite, right? But aspected by other points -- like tSUN and so on.

Fortunately, tSATURN doesn't go into retrograde earlier than 10° Sagittarius. It does so at around 16°, and gets to 10° before redirecting.

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let me clarify mu post

"well Saturn is still in line to be transited so by transference of light the lilth/mars/Saturn pattern is still happening
actually Saturn is square exactly tomorrow.(which today the 10th)

..........but with Saturn's transit
(here I mean the node square to Saturn, I thought this was clear from the reference above as I have not mentioned anything about any of these planets movements, only the node's movement) coming up it seems after august that you started to feel restricted ad things started to go amiss .
todd

posted November 10, 2015 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
our composite

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Beside Moon and Venus being square the nodal axis, they are also each foruming a Wedge with some asteroids.

Moon trine Juno
Valentine trine Ceres
Moon sextile Ceres
Moon sextile Valentine

and

Venus trine Eros
Uranus trine Pholus
Venus sextile Pholus
Venus sextile Uranus

And my n Saturn on 16°57 Cancer closely opposes c-Venus,
his n Venus on 25°55 Capricorn is conjunct c-Moon, albeit a little widely.

In terms of midpoints the above mentioned aspect-constellation of course results into

Ceres conjunct Moon/Juno
Moon conjunct Ceres/Valentine

(and Psyche conjunct Juno/Valentine, but that is because of the opposition)

plus

(Venus might be out of orb for conjunct Uranus/Pholus)

but

Pholus conjunct Venus/Eros

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wow what a uber romantic guy he is with amore , cupid and mars conjunct the node and the moon square these symbols. but there are unusal aspects that seem a bit opposite this ethereal romantic vibration .
venus is square to pluto. I romantic compsites thuis can be a very difficult aspect because initially it translate into extem phyusicl passion to go along with the almost spiritual" emotional attraction.but the nature of pluto/venus is very carnal. usually phsycal intimacy increase the emotional intimacy but not so with pluto/venus squares. The physical satisfaction does not usually bring closer emotional intimacy because of the selfish nature of pluto.pluto is only interested in "getting off" and whether the partner does or doesn't have this satisfaction is irrelevant.this dymanic is increased because eris is opposed to pluto. eris is very sexual but also not that interested in emotional bonds. though here this could show that you both enjoy the carnality of the relationship and are satisfied if greater emotional intimacy does not follow.most often thouh venus/pluto squares though first showing an intense sexual energy, after a while can actually become non sexual if the emotional intimacy doesn't develop.
with eros opposed touranus, his personal magnetism is very strong and the danger is that you become much more infatuated with him that he is with you.this aspect also shows he has a very independent spirit which could pose a problem for a serious relationship deveolping
Saturn conjunct he vertex also points in this direction, that is the relationship revolves more around him than it does the two of you.
with venus/moon conjunct and in the 12th house, there is a strange emotional mix . on one hand the feeling of a almost soulmate level of attraction but on the other hand a feeling of not being appreciate other than for physical reasons.in the 12th house there is also the spectre that the relation is not public or in someway hidden from others.
this sense of obscurity is also shown by Jupiter opposed to the mercury/Neptune conjunction. this aspect can show that you or he or both have creative professional life's , but it also can show that this is a complex relationship with many unknown about each other. jupiter opposed to Neptune often weakens the impulse for a serious relationship to form.
chariklo on the south node implies that you have very intelligent, very analytical and can have a caustic wit when others try to deceive you or misrepresent themselves.
this also implies that you usually only give one chance. if a person lies or is disingenuous toward, to cut them off completely.

with Osiris and psyche square to juno and lilth, there is a feeling that a committed relationship could overcome any defects that might be present between you.
with the lilth/venus midpoint conjunct the sun, there is a very deep love between you, one that does not diminish inspite of the personal foibles present.

posted November 10, 2015 06:45 PM            

Also, what to say about this exact Saturn/NN on desc. square Sun/Nept here, to stay in the topic context?

Really curious on your take above board. TOB's correct.

To add the Compo...

posted November 10, 2015 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
TODD, you talk about the carnal influences which would override the emotional intimacy when Compo Pluto in (hard) aspect to Venus. But what's the difference with Pluto in connection with Mars then? As, in this case, part of a Mystic Rectangle? (+ Eris opposed).

Also, what to say about this exact Saturn/NN on desc. square Sun/Nept here, to stay in the topic context?

Really curious on your take. TOB's correct.

To add the Compo...

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venus rulke love and emotional intimacy so the effect of pluto on venus is very distinct it that oit blunts emotionalitimacy. eris is also feminine but it's nature is similar to mars in tha it is primarily carnal.eris is a female reflection of mars andi some mythological trxts is mars's sister. so here pluto affecting eris would not have such a obvious emotional detriment because eris does not primarily focus of intimate emotional connections as does the symbol venus.
in this composite the the mars eris conjunction opposed to pluto would just add to the purely sexual nature of the relationship. on ewould thinkit to be a more promiscuous relationship/open relationship as eris by nature is a"player".the sextile trines to the sun/Neptune opposition would temper the pure selfish nature of mar/eris/pluto and would transform the pure physical interest into a sensitive and supporting relationship. in this case the the passions of mars/eris/pluto would be transformed to higher levels of conscious/emotional involvement. this might show up as a concern for each other's personal/spiritual development. the sextile trines definitely bring a spiritual and healing quality to the relationship. Here the sexual energy could in fact be extremely healing for each other rather than selfish and divisive as the opposition alone would show.
the nodal axis on the aC/dsc axis give a psychic connection to the relationship. it show that the individual consciousness have the potential to be in synch and to be intuitively linked. this can show up as telepathic or reading each others thoughts.
but though this sounds good on paper, what usually happens is that the individuals find each other mentally "fighting" with one partner trying to control or direct the others viewpoint. the node on the ascnedant axis often leads to breakups for this reason. so much depends on each individuals attitude to psychic/spiritual matters. if both have a belief in these concepts then the psychic connection can manifest .but if one or both doubt these psychic/spiritual realities then the
destructive aspect kicks in.
here it is a bit more complicated as Saturn us conjunct to the north node.
Saturn conjunct the node is probably the strongest aspect the node can make as Saturn rules reality, time, fortune, ego structure and some occult realties.
I composite it can show the male is the dominating partner and if afflicted it will brig on the arguments and control dynamics spoken of above. this can lead to dissolution.
this position also shows that the relationship will be subject to extraordinary conditions. it may be altered realties or unusual synchronistic occurrences. this position shows tension in reality which can manifest as financial strength or socio/political position and influence.ith the moon/Saturn midpoint conjunct to Jupiter, the likelihood is this is a serious relationship or marriage but as moon is quintile to satrun,it would ot be aneasy marriage as the wills would being in contention much of the time.and with the venus/mars/midpoint opposed to the pluto/Uranus midpoint it is also likely a trouble marriage or a broken relationship .with the moon square to the satrun/mars midpoint,again there are signs of insensitivity and emotional discord.
todd

posted November 10, 2015 08:22 PM            

this Composite has a Moon - Sat conj squaring the Nodes, even thou a bit widely.
What would you say about this relationship Composite?

posted November 10, 2015 09:29 PM            

anyways! yungang, i generally feel that when the nodes square planets,angles, and/or asteroids in a composite/davison generally to me means that the "public" including to those close to us feels that there is an ongoing issue between the couple that needs to be resolved. It can also mean that people view the couple that they are together for karmic reasons. people see that there is a need to resolve an issue that is either karmic or had just happened recently in the past life that had cause so much damage between both people in the relationship. the aspect square to the nodes to me means a constant tension/challenge to a solution that must undergo for the couples spiritual evolution in the current life.

that is how i see it as i do believe that the composite/davison is the third entity in my opinion which is why i am referring to the public/society/those that witness the relationship.

posted November 10, 2015 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by todd: venus rulke love and emotional intimacy so the effect of pluto on venus is very distinct it that oit blunts emotionalitimacy. eris is also feminine but it's nature is similar to mars in tha it is primarily carnal.eris is a female reflection of mars andi some mythological trxts is mars's sister. so here pluto affecting eris would not have such a obvious emotional detriment because eris does not primarily focus of intimate emotional connections as does the symbol venus.
in this composite the the mars eris conjunction opposed to pluto would just add to the purely sexual nature of the relationship. on ewould thinkit to be a more promiscuous relationship/open relationship as eris by nature is a"player".the sextile trines to the sun/Neptune opposition would temper the pure selfish nature of mar/eris/pluto and would transform the pure physical interest into a sensitive and supporting relationship. in this case the the passions of mars/eris/pluto would be transformed to higher levels of conscious/emotional involvement. this might show up as a concern for each other's personal/spiritual development. the sextile trines definitely bring a spiritual and healing quality to the relationship. Here the sexual energy could in fact be extremely healing for each other rather than selfish and divisive as the opposition alone would show.

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^ Interesting, to say the least. The last thing I want (you might call it an intense over-the-top developed personal obsession of mine as a result of past experiences) is a purely carnally tuned connection/guy which already drives me crazy by the thought of it alone. A bit like: anything BUT that....
In fact, a sexually healthy relationship is what I desperately need(ed) to heal some deeply rooted traumas in this area.

... this also to underline a lessened focus on other aspects..

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the nodal axis on the aC/dsc axis give a psychic connection to the relationship. it show that the individual consciousness have the potential to be in synch and to be intuitively linked. this can show up as telepathic or reading each others thoughts.
but though this sounds good on paper, what usually happens is that the individuals find each other mentally "fighting" with one partner trying to control or direct the others viewpoint.

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^ yes, I can already see that.

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here it is a bit more complicated as Saturn us conjunct to the north node.
Saturn conjunct the node is probably the strongest aspect the node can make as Saturn rules reality, time, fortune, ego structure and some occult realties.
I composite it can show the male is the dominating partner and if afflicted it will brig on the arguments and control dynamics spoken of above. this can lead to dissolution.

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I'm indeed aware of this dominating part in him which feels a bit scary now and then (not exactly used to that for the last 24 years). I definitely also see/feel the dangers of 'final dissolution' lurking more than I ever experienced ... as if Saturn/NN gives an over-the-top awareness at this level (not necessarily bad ofcourse), probably no coincidence when it rules reality/time/ego-structure.

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this position also shows that the relationship will be subject to extraordinary conditions. it may be altered realties or unusual synchronistic occurrences.

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posted November 11, 2015 03:48 AM            

No aspect in the composite has a generalized value per se, outside the natal needs. Plutonians need strong Pluto, Uranians need strong Uranus there etc.

Saturn seems to be a more generalized marker, out of those, since it seems to rule commitment, reality, time and responsibility for all humans, no matter their profile.
But apart from this Saturn, a valuable composite can have any kind of emphasis, Plutonian, Uranian, and even more Saturn if Saturnians etc. You can't expect two people with hard Venus/Pluto aspects in their natals not to have a hard Venus/Pluto in the comp, it's mathematically impossible, and also not recommended for them.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted November 11, 2015 08:41 AM            

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.pluto is only interested in "getting off" and whether the partner does or doesn't have this satisfaction is irrelevant.

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venus rulke love and emotional intimacy

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posted November 11, 2015 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

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His birth time is unknown.
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