posted November 12, 2015 01:48 PM            

Venus-Pluto is an intriguing aspect.

You are of course right, Leeloo, this composite Venus-Pluto-square is the result of both of us having the square natally, which of course makes it a theme.

I also think Mars-Pluto is more ruthless and maybe more about the "only sex" thing, however Venus-Pluto should not be underestimated. In the very least it can give a pretty obsessive, All-or-nothing-vibration. Not really cold (probably depends on the people involved if it expresses as cold or hot, or hot-cold - well one thing is sure, it is never lukewarm ), but in a way impersonal, or let`s rather say, transpersonal.
Whenever the outer planets form a tight dynamic link with the personal planets, they introduce a dynamic that somehow has a purpose that goes beyond the personal sphere, sort of catalysts and transformators.
And well, sometimes we learn the hard way, don`t we?

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BTW it always surprised me that we seemingly had no synastric Venus-Pluto-aspect. Cause before in EVERY even little crush I experienced, there was a Venus-Pluto or sometimes Mars-Pluto and often both (because my Venus and Mars are semisextile and Pluto is square Venus and sextile Mars at about 4 degrees, they will often simultaneously aspects someone else`s Venus, Mars or Pluto), and in the most compelling attractions, those that felt "right", it was a square aspect.

Now I do believe that the fact they felt "right" does not mean they WERE right, but just that I am familiar with it due to my own natal chart.

always surprised me that P`s Pluto was not aspecting my Venus (it is semisquare my Mars with one degree orb though) (and well in the helio his Pluto does square my Venus).
But then again this attraction has always felt "different", maybe due to the fact that the transpersonal energies were outweighed by the aspect between personal planets. Which was quite a new emotional scenario for me.

posted November 12, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thank you, Todd.
It`s always interesting to read your interpretations; while I may not agree with every detail, it surely gives me a new perspective on things (and I agree with pretty much anyway).

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this composite was difficult to understand. usually I can get a feel for the relationship described, but with yours,there were so many "tangents" that I never felt I really intergraded these sufficiently or saw the essence of the relationship.
todd

posted November 12, 2015 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
todd,

this Composite has a Moon - Sat conj squaring the Nodes, even thou a bit widely.
What would you say about this relationship Composite?

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hi orange
as the orb is a bit large, I think the important dynamics are really the Saturn/moon conjunction square to the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction.
with sedan opposed to Jupiter and the mars/venus midpoint conjunct juoiterandurnaus along with the venus/sun oppositin, there is a intense ,melectric emotopmalattractin and with sedan opposed to juoiter, itseems that truth and fidelity were always a given. but as urnaus is also conjunct to th evenus/marsmidpoint, the incredible intensity can not be sustained in a lonngterm relationshioo because one can not live insuch a extreme state of passin, that is for a relationship to develop, their are routine and compromises that must be made. the extreme passion of Uranus doesn't work well in such a circumstance.. the relationship seem to be fighting against hostile fate because of the Uranus/Jupiter square. this shows a relationship that will breakup because of environment influences and not necessarily due to emotional difficulties. Saturn/moon conjunction shows a deep devotion but Uranus squares to Saturn rarely allow a relationship to endure.as I mentioned ,with sedan opposed to Jupiter,it is not problems between you but an ill"destiny" that hinders this relationship.
Uranus conjunct the south node can give a sense of soulmates because your psychic/astral energies are in sync. this position often gives common dreams and communication within dreams.
the eris/eros opposition points to a very intense physical attraction but an attraction that can wane after fulfillment is achieved. I think the excessive physical attraction may be one of the factors in the dissolution of the relationship because the moon/sun midpoint is square to the eris/eros opposition. this shows the relationship was bases on the physical senses and eris and eros are noted for their "promiscuity". I call this a ill fate as the moon/Saturn gives such devotion that even a difficult relationship will not let go of these devoted feeling.so the composite has devotion at it's base,yet it has an excess of carnal needs also.
I think you nevered focus on these polar emotional dimensions because there was such an amazing, idealized ,romantic nature to the relationship also, as the eros/psyche midpoint squares the ascendant. this gives a almost childlike,first love, feeling. and as as consequence the love seemed like one that last forever.
as orcus is square to lilth, there is also a deep emotional disconnect between you, but as this dynamic is so deep and unconscious, the discord or coldness this describes was never felt or anticipated.
the vertex /lilth midpoint is conjunct he node. this dynamic, again subconscious, gives a sense that you were united in spirit and soul. just a overwhelming sense of togetherness. this relationship threw you several emotional/spiritual curveballs.

todd

posted November 12, 2015 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Orange, your composite looks difficult. That Moon-Saturn conjunction may be a blessing in disguise. Don't know what about you but I have a bad feeling about that Cancer Mercury.

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posted November 12, 2015 07:22 PM            

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Can you read pictures, the aura, I wonder?

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Your Mercury aspects aren't bad indeed but the sign is imo. I think it adds to the unstability. And Merc is important in this chart cause it rules 2 angles (Gem ASC, bleh ).

Now that I think of it...your aspects may be not that good either. They're soft but it's all water and Uranus and Jupiter aren't known for stability...

posted November 12, 2015 07:42 PM            

Give it your best shot. Interested to see how you read ours.

posted November 12, 2015 07:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Can you read pictures, the aura, I wonder? I can send you a few, but I dont know you addy.

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I do that. I've no idea why, either. I just stumbled upon this mostly useless 'superpower' one day.

posted November 12, 2015 07:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I do that. I've no idea why, either. I just stumbled upon this mostly useless 'superpower' one day.

It's gotten me in quite a bit of trouble, too.

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posted November 12, 2015 07:52 PM            

AA, what makes you think using Destinn is a good idea?

Ceri, I don't have a rl experience with Venus square Pluto I can think of but I imagine that in the romantic context it's like being thrown into lava.

posted November 12, 2015 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Same berries, different pie? Couldn't Uranus be all these things?

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posted November 12, 2015 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Seeing energy is Neptune's job, period

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signs are irrelevant in composite, on a side note

on another side note, Neptune feels , doesnt sees

posted November 12, 2015 08:40 PM            

I have never tried to do that with photographs but I can do it with live people, as if there are eyeballs in my hands... I can see the whole thing if I've tuned in, not just with my hands, second sight I guess (pragmatically speaking, seeing two things at once, one with eyes, one with other thing)... Never unless we're in a session and I have permission though... never even crosses my mind to do it otherwise so I don't know if I can. Moon-Nep conjunction, you know. 0'03 or whatever.

I'm interested though... claircognizance vs energy seeing... I see what you're getting at, i think maybe- but wouldn't seeing energy be a function of claircognizance? Couldn't these be interchangeable? Understanding what one is seeing cerebrally is different, I know, than the seeing itself. Uranus, maybe, skips a step? The lines are so blurry! I do get those intuitive flashes of understanding/knowing, also... could be the moon-nep sextile pluto/merc, bringing the Mercurial, and hence a sort of Uranian energy... but it seems Uranus and Neptune have a few things in common... Neptune/Venus Uranus/Mercury higher octave thingy helps us sort it out I suppose... still. Difficult to tell which is which. I've never been Uranus, not like I am Neptune ..lol.. as my Uranus is all tied up in Saturn, so I can't speak to it with personal confidence. But it's final dispositor is Pluto in Scorpio and it has to go through Jupiter and Mercury to get there.

posted November 12, 2015 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Uranus teleports, Neptune flies to the top of the steps.

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Love that.

posted November 12, 2015 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Or yes, skymiles and drops in from above! And i should say Neptune flies hither and thither and happens to reach the top perhaps if a clear destination even becomes delineated...

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Seems legit.

posted November 12, 2015 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
AA, what makes you think using Destinn is a good idea?

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Wowzer! That's almost ominous.

Hmm. Well, I've had something of an evolution regarding skyrocks. Started out very strict; DESTINN was named for Emmy Destinn and has naught to do with 'destiny'. But, I was outvoted. And since I consider majority opinion to be what 'powers' these guys, that's pretty much when I threw up my hands and started working with ol' 6583.

To find it conjunct our ASC 0° was enough to make me take decent notice. And, since then, I've been pleased with the results.

posted November 12, 2015 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
this composite was difficult to understand. usually I can get a feel for the relationship described, but with yours,there were so many "tangents" that I never felt I really intergraded these sufficiently or saw the essence of the relationship.
todd

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posted November 12, 2015 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
lol @ how you framed that.
I can send you some then, I wonder how the pics look like thru the lens of an outsider, as I am naturally biased. With your Moon- Uranus conjunction ( prophetic flashes) in Scorpio, I am not surprised you can..

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It's true! And almost ... bothersome, in a way. 'Seeing' the connexion; the energy, the love. I think it was Ceri's parents that bowled me over one time. She hadn't even needed to say it. Seeing the photos alone, unqualified -- BAM. It was almost as if the energy from each was 'holding hands' with the other. They were locked into each other, but not in a ... death grip. Tough to explain. There's a calmness to those two. A confidence and peace. It was a really wonderful feeling.

And, yeah, please do. I've gotten into small wars over what I see -- or don't. So, I'm very honest about it. No buffering feelings here. It's an automatic experience. I honestly hadn't known what it was, or if I was 'doing' it until I was faced with 'twin flame couples' that were total frauds.