posted November 13, 2015 01:31 AM            

thank you for the very sweet and accurate description of my parents union.
Of course nothing`s ever perfect, and they do have their verbal sparring occasionally (well daily, it is our supper-entertainment to be honest. ), but the basis is just very stable and "together". Not sure how to put it.
It`s just almost like a law of nature that they are together in everything (in fact the most hardship they experienced, when my Dad was transferred jobwise to another city for 6 weeks; he came home every weekend, but that forced separation was really hard for both of them.)

I am not sure how much that is seen in their composite, which more or less surprised me when seeing it for the first time, I somehow expected "more". But that was in my early astrology days, when I was all about Sun-Venus-Mars-Moon, best all conjunct each other and conjunct Jupiter. And anything else was a "fail".

Luckily I learned a thing or two on the way to here.

posted November 13, 2015 01:59 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
What's NDT?

Well... so long as it's approval i guess it's ok! :P

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posted November 13, 2015 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
ceri,
post the composite. I think I've seen it, but dont remember any of it.

Auby,
I emailed u on your LL email addy

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posted November 13, 2015 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Ok, Urban dictionary says it's "Cute" and Huggable.

I'll take dat :-)

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posted November 13, 2015 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
signs are irrelevant in composite, on a side note

on another side note, Neptune feels , doesnt sees

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They're irrelevant to you So you don't even care about the rising sign?

Neptune can feel and see I think it's assciated with photography and moving pictures for a reason. If I had to link a planet to the 3rd eye which is responsible for seeing things, it would be this one.

YG
claircognizance is knowing things. Seeing is clairvoyance. 2 different skills but they can lead to the same conclusion. I never heard of reading auras through claircognizance but I can believe it's possible. You say Uranus skips a step. I think that's quite accurate. You can see things but interpret them incorrectly with your human mind. Uranus hits you like lightning and then you're "updated" or you finally understand something.

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Wowzer! That's almost ominous.

Hmm. Well, I've had something of an evolution regarding skyrocks. Started out very strict; DESTINN was named for Emmy Destinn and has naught to do with 'destiny'. But, I was outvoted. And since I consider majority opinion to be what 'powers' these guys, that's pretty much when I threw up my hands and started working with ol' 6583.

To find it conjunct our ASC 0° was enough to make me take decent notice. And, since then, I've been pleased with the results.

Why do you ask, Ano?

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I too suspect that the collective influences to some degree how astrology plays out but what do you mean by majority? A bunch of people on LL? You see, there a couple of billions people on this planet and even though at this point that lady is more forgotten than not, I'm pretty sure there are more people who associate Destinn only with her. So, is there room for these 2 very different interpretations? And how many people have to believe something to charge the object or point with a specific energy (this could be asked about pretty much anything that can be found in any kind of chart)? What about those who used to know her/of her but are dead already, is the energy they generated still as powerful or working at all?

Destiny is a huge word and I would avoid gymnastics like this here. It would be a different story if it was called Destiny or if there was "destiny" in another language version but it wasn't named after this force. I think it would be way easier to attach this alternate yet compatible meaning.

On the other hand, even if it's just one person who strongly associates something or someone with a particular asteroid, either through obervation or coming up with an idea, perhaps the universe will find a way to make it work for them in the long run. I can see it happen especially with names and nicknames in. For example, you start calling someone or thinking of them as Adonis and then at some point Adonis becomes a very personal asteroid significator.

I hope this made sense.

posted November 13, 2015 11:23 AM            

I say usually, cause that is the traditional view, but of course there will always be astrologers who have a different one.

posted November 14, 2015 12:30 AM            

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I asked because I recalled you had a problem with Hermite and now I saw this.

I too suspect that the collective influences to some degree how astrology plays out but what do you mean by majority? A bunch of people on LL? ... It would be a different story if it was called Destiny or if there was "destiny" in another language version but it wasn't named after this force. I think it would be way easier to attach this alternate yet compatible meaning.

... I hope this made sense.

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Total sense; it's a complicated subject, actually. I feel that astrology 'works' due to the principle of functionalism. It's a bit like the collective unconscious -- but more ... conscious, I suppose. It's more like a directed focus. A laser, as opposed to scattershot. You're absolutely right that there may be far more on the planet in general that see 'Destinn' and think of the late performer. However, as far as astrologers go, it seems that there's been a slow but steady 'outvoting', with DESTINN (6583) becoming more and more 'attached' to the concept of destiny.

This does bring up an interesting point with HERMITE. I think, since we do also have HERMITAGE, it gives us an option to 'direct' that influence in one direction or another. Alas, we don't have that with DESTINN -- just yet. SERENDIP may end up an interesting 'runner-up', but we'll have to see. Only time will tell, in this case.

While the DESTINN rising exactly on my composite with Jack is a strong case for its relationship to 'destiny' over the late Destinn, I think what really intrigued me is how my progressed DESTINN has been operating in terms of my SUN.

Ahhh, but wait! Being an amateur coloratura soprano, I may not actually be the best means of 'testing' thing. That, in and of itself, may be a huge confounding variable -- and I do consider this. Nonetheless, I'm a bit blown away at its involvement in so many ways.

His pDESTINN was 0º20 conjunct my natal SUN when we met.

Okay, that's pretty cool. But what kinda blows my mind is my DESTINN.

0º conjunct ACTOR
0º conjunct LEWISCARROLL
1º conjunct EROS

Now, perhaps, and I mean perhaps this is some link somehow to Destinn, or even opera in general, but I ... don't think so. And I'm not being facetious. Maybe. But I'm thinking that's a bit of a stretch.

He's got a weird DESTINN stellium, too; all within 0º, too, on VINDEMIATRIX. It's conjunct MARCHARE and ATTICA (1138).

... And that means nothing to anyone. EXCEPT! It does to me.

Well, his character is essentially imprisoned by the character who goes by the March Hare. So, these are all linked. The DESTINN part was intriguing, except it's his 'destiny' to ... portray that on television? Who knows? Maybe we'll air when the SUN's hitting the degree. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened -- or if something major in the natal of the actor playing that role -- hits it.

So these are a few bizarre ways that I've seen DESTINN be involved in this 'destined' sort of fashion. I'm not entirely lax when it comes to the specificity of these asteroids, in regards to their names and representation. But I've definitely loosened up.

PENDERECKI, for example, being used for 'Penderan' (the character's name) -- as opposed to being related to the Polish composer. Why? Well, 'Pender' is about as close as I can get here, and 'ecki' is the suffix for 'state of being'. So, 'state of being 'pender'' works for me. The name itself, Penderan, is 'one who is in a state of pending'.

And, no, I had NO idea at the time. It's a name that simply came to me, and I knew it was right. That sort of thing.

I use RILEYCENNIS for the other character, Riley, because her name is Riley C Wingate. I'm rather pleased that it's got 'Riley C' in it at all. Beggars can't be choosers.

posted November 14, 2015 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by todd:

that said yugang_grotto, the composite you describe shows, with the mercury/sun/venus stellium square the composite node, a warm, intelligent and loving connection with this man. mercury shows that you two speak from your hearts and reveal things that you wouldn't normal tell another person. this pattern shows you both to be extremely intelligent and your conversations always reflect this .with venus you conversations though incisive are filled with humor and laughter.
the composite nodal axis on your asc/desc axis shows that you can read this relationship like the proverbial back of your hand. you are absolutely tuned in to him and you can read his thoughts before he speaks and you know where conversations are going before you've begun them.

with his Saturn conjunct your asc and the composite south node, he may not have the exact psychic clarity you do(though it is possible)but he intuitive acts in the correct manner about thing between you and he. this position marks him as a figure of authority and substance. likely he is economically strong and has a strong physical presence. with Saturn and the node ,he is marked as a man with an occult viewpoint, and likely is very developed in these matters as Saturn with the node can mark an adept in some esoteric field of knowledge/thought.

Saturn on the node and your ascendant shows that the two of you have experiences some sort of altered consciousness together. it may be an innocent as seeing auras or as potent as running into magical situations or people. this position draws psychic/astral/ +/-magical experiences.
all other aspects to the composite node, no matter how "insignificant" are extremely important.
you speak of him as a friend. the Venus/sun/mercury-node square usually drawn individuals into romantic encounters, but here with Saturn to the nodal axis, the common desire passions may be over rode by the metaphysical knowledge and experiences you have gained with him. with this pattern Saturn would show undying devotion in romantic ways so likely you or him are already involved in relationships that preclude a romantic hookup between you.

todd

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And just to return to this once more...

His Mercury and Mars are conjunct my descendant and the composite North Node... you mentioned other aspects to the composite node were important

Thoughts, anyone? I'm feeling pretty confused. I kinda sworei wouldn't get involved with anybody else with Saturn on my ascendant. Wondering what's going on here exactly..

posted November 14, 2015 02:36 AM            

As the first act of officially celebrating your birthday a la LL, we will absolutely return this thread back to you. DUH. Sorry. We all get a little carried away, and then get a case of the ooh-shineys, and it's all downhill from there. (Though, not really. We DO tend to stumble into some fascinating things.)

HOWEVER.

This was clearly about composite squares to the NODES, so. YES. We'll get it back onto that.

posted November 14, 2015 11:25 AM            

I wonder if it changes the picture somewhat, to have his Saturn opposition his Mercury/Mars along my ascendant descendant axis (as opposed to a relatively isolated Saturn-Asc conjunction).

And well.. of course it does! It makes it that much more intense because he is so so careful about what is said and done, so beautifully methodical... painfully methodical... and I understand it and am extremely tapped into it, in a way that he likely appreciates. But I need to remember... with my Libran Venus I'll just think of what the other guy appreciates a little too much sometimes, until it's too late and I explode wrathfully...

His Saturn-Merc/Mars opp can turn into what feels like very controlling and exacting behaviour, indeed. As i found out many years ago. And it was pretty rough.

But i think there's healing and wisdom here. His Karma on my Vertex and some of the chiron action makes me feel like this is something to explore. He seems to think so too. We've both certainly matured since back then. So who knows.

posted November 14, 2015 11:32 AM            

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From AuntAnomalia:

YG
claircognizance is knowing things. Seeing is clairvoyance. 2 different skills but they can lead to the same conclusion. I never heard of reading auras through claircognizance but I can believe it's possible. You say Uranus skips a step. I think that's quite accurate. You can see things but interpret them incorrectly with your human mind. Uranus hits you like lightning and then you're "updated" or you finally understand something.

...

I asked because I recalled you had a problem with Hermite and now I saw this.

I too suspect that the collective influences to some degree how astrology plays out but what do you mean by majority? A bunch of people on LL? You see, there a couple of billions people on this planet and even though at this point that lady is more forgotten than not, I'm pretty sure there are more people who associate Destinn only with her. So, is there room for these 2 very different interpretations? And how many people have to believe something to charge the object or point with a specific energy (this could be asked about pretty much anything that can be found in any kind of chart)? What about those who used to know her/of her but are dead already, is the energy they generated still as powerful or working at all?

Destiny is a huge word and I would avoid gymnastics like this here. It would be a different story if it was called Destiny or if there was "destiny" in another language version but it wasn't named after this force. I think it would be way easier to attach this alternate yet compatible meaning.

On the other hand, even if it's just one person who strongly associates something or someone with a particular asteroid, either through obervation or coming up with an idea, perhaps the universe will find a way to make it work for them in the long run. I can see it happen especially with names and nicknames in. For example, you start calling someone or thinking of them as Adonis and then at some point Adonis becomes a very personal asteroid significator.

I hope this made sense.

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posted November 14, 2015 11:42 AM            

Recall my shyness to inquire and hence the inaccurate yet eerie angle situation. Imaginary composite asc on my Sun!! And MC/IC on my nodal axis. Irrevant though I guess,

posted November 14, 2015 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
And just to return to this once more...

His Mercury and Mars are conjunct my descendant and the composite North Node... you mentioned other aspects to the composite node were important

Thoughts, anyone? I'm feeling pretty confused. I kinda sworei wouldn't get involved with anybody else with Saturn on my ascendant. Wondering what's going on here exactly..

(Wanting the thread to continue in its current fascinatingvein but also hoping for support/insights if there are any! Back to your usual programming..)

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His Mercury and Mars are conjunct my descendant and the composite North Node... you mentioned other aspects to the composite node were important

adding mercury and mars to the Saturn. node mix, one can get combative vibrations.though here mercury and mars are conjunct, mercury and mars can bring abrupt changes in direction and with Saturn , the tendency for domination is strong. then remember that I mentioned node and Saturn bringing alter states of consciousness . with the node involved, it is very easy for it to flip from being supportive to isolated.

you also need to keep in mind that the node is transiting through your Saturn/Uranus conjunction. all things not just him may be confusing and showing unexpected reversals. I think you should focus on the root cause, of the situation with him,being the node square your Uranus/Saturn conjunction. he's a the player but your chart is the stage.
you should look back to june/july of 2006 as the node was square your Uranus/Saturn conjunction then, and try to see the similarities in the confusion around you then as with now.life is a spiral so the dynamics will be similar though the specific different. though sometimes even the specific can be eerily the same.
todd

posted November 14, 2015 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
His Mercury and Mars are conjunct my descendant and the composite North Node... you mentioned other aspects to the composite node were important

adding mercury and mars to the Saturn. node mix, one can get combative vibrations.though here mercury and mars are conjunct, mercury and mars can bring abrupt changes in direction and with Saturn , the tendency for domination is strong. then remember that I mentioned node and Saturn bringing alter states of consciousness . with the node involved, it is very easy for it to flip from being supportive to isolated.

you also need to keep in mind that the node is transiting through your Saturn/Uranus conjunction. all things not just him may be confusing and showing unexpected reversals. I think you should focus on the root cause, of the situation with him,being the node square your Uranus/Saturn conjunction. he's a the player but your chart is the stage.
you should look back to june/july of 2006 as the node was square your Uranus/Saturn conjunction then, and try to see the similarities in the confusion around you then as with now.life is a spiral so the dynamics will be similar though the specific different. though sometimes even the specific can be eerily the same.
todd

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He's been supportive and then isolated within the past few days already. Such incisive insight! I'm very impressed with your understanding and application. You've given me really good context to go ahead with, watching the pattern of my life and the way my natal Saturn/Uranus conjunction manifests in a clearer way.

I am trying to remember the year I met this person, and we had that thing. I think it was 2008 though. 2006 is waaay back there! Hard to recall. But life was sure a wild ride!