posted November 09, 2015 12:56 PM            

This old friend and I have composite Sun, Mercury and Venus square the composite Nodes, forming a composite Grand Cross (if you could call it that, I will for convenience's sake). Venus is opposite Sun/Merc. The Nodes are conjunct my natal Asc/Dsc and his Saturn is on the composite South Node and my Asc (sound familiar? Those 1983 people...).

Anyway I'm just wondering about composites and whether you'd read it as a skipped step.. or what...

Interestingly my Amor/Pallas is conjunct the composite Sun. In synastry his Sun is opposite my Venus so there's that resonance... The synastry isn't exactly great but our progressed composite has Amor at 0 Pisces, Jupiter at 3 Pisces, Sun at 5 Pisces, Mercury at 7 Pisces, and Venus at 7 Virgo. There's something going on right now.

posted November 09, 2015 01:52 PM            

Moon and Venus are both in 12th house, and interestingly Venus rules or disposits the Libra North Node it squares.

The North Node itself is EXACT conjunct AMOR, CUPIDO and CAMELOT (for giggles ) on the same degree (20 Libra), Pluto is conjunct by 5 degrees (and square Venus with one degree orb).
Mars, which rules the South Node, is conjunct the NN by 3 degrees (and squares the Moon exact).

SN is conjunct CHARIKLO (Chiron`s wife)

Saturn, which disposits both Moon and Venus, is in Leo in 7th house, having an exact sextile to the NN, and an inconjunct to Moon and biquintile to Venus (part of an exact Golden Yod between Jupiter-Saturn-Venus).

The "skipped step" planets, Moon and Venus, have some relation to our natals as well.

c-Moon is conjunct his n Venus

c-Venus is opposite my n Saturn

(my nSaturn is not opposite his n Venus - orb would be 8°58 - however my Saturn is contraparallel his Venus by 0°42)

c-NN (and Amor, Cupido, Mars) are conjunct his n Pluto (and my n DNA, SAPPHO, MUSA)

posted November 09, 2015 04:58 PM            

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63539

I believe all this past karma, further karma rhetoric, while philosophically interesting, is just a way for the occult overlords to obfusicate the real force of the nodal axis

that said yugang_grotto, the composite you describe shows, with the mercury/sun/venus stellium square the composite node, a warm, intelligent and loving connection with this man. mercury shows that you two speak from your hearts and reveal things that you wouldn't normal tell another person. this pattern shows you both to be extremely intelligent and your conversations always reflect this .with venus you conversations though incisive are filled with humor and laughter.
the composite nodal axis on your asc/desc axis shows that you can read this relationship like the proverbial back of your hand. you are absolutely tuned in to him and you can read his thoughts before he speaks and you know where conversations are going before you've begun them.

with his Saturn conjunct your asc and the composite south node, he may not have the exact psychic clarity you do(though it is possible)but he intuitive acts in the correct manner about thing between you and he. this position marks him as a figure of authority and substance. likely he is economically strong and has a strong physical presence. with Saturn and the node ,he is marked as a man with an occult viewpoint, and likely is very developed in these matters as Saturn with the node can mark an adept in some esoteric field of knowledge/thought.

Saturn on the node and your ascendant shows that the two of you have experiences some sort of altered consciousness together. it may be an innocent as seeing auras or as potent as running into magical situations or people. this position draws psychic/astral/ +/-magical experiences.
all other aspects to the composite node, no matter how "insignificant" are extremely important.
you speak of him as a friend. the Venus/sun/mercury-node square usually drawn individuals into romantic encounters, but here with Saturn to the nodal axis, the common desire passions may be over rode by the metaphysical knowledge and experiences you have gained with him. with this pattern Saturn would show undying devotion in romantic ways so likely you or him are already involved in relationships that preclude a romantic hookup between you.

posted November 09, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am very interested in an answer to that question myself, as in my composite Moon and Venus (6 degrees apart) are both square the nodal axis (their midpoint is on almost the exact square-degree).

Moon and Venus are both in 12th house, and interestingly Venus rules or disposits the Libra North Node it squares.

The North Node itself is EXACT conjunct AMOR, CUPIDO and CAMELOT (for giggles ) on the same degree (20 Libra), Pluto is conjunct by 5 degrees (and square Venus with one degree orb).
Mars, which rules the South Node, is conjunct the NN by 3 degrees (and squares the Moon exact).

SN is conjunct CHARIKLO (Chiron`s wife)

Saturn, which disposits both Moon and Venus, is in Leo in 7th house, having an exact sextile to the NN, and an inconjunct to Moon and biquintile to Venus (part of an exact Golden Yod between Jupiter-Saturn-Venus).

The "skipped step" planets, Moon and Venus, have some relation to our natals as well.

c-Moon is conjunct his n Venus

c-Venus is opposite my n Saturn

(my nSaturn is not opposite his n Venus - orb would be 8°58 - however my Saturn is contraparallel his Venus by 0°42)

c-NN (and Amor, Cupido, Mars) are conjunct his n Pluto (and my n DNA, SAPPHO, MUSA)

c-SN conjunct my n Chiron

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i'm getting dizzy
post the composite

todd

posted November 09, 2015 05:37 PM            

I felt very romantic about him back then and I'm making a conscious effort to keep things about friendship/mysticism this time around...

it's not a sun mercury venus stellium--venus opposes sun and mercury..
Same reading?

I'm feeling compelled to post the composite and synastry now, so appreciative of the detailed read.

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Originally posted by todd:
I have a much more pragmatic and quantum based view of the nodal axis than what popular astrology books dwell on.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63539

I believe all this past karma, further karma rhetoric, while philosophically interesting, is just a way for the occult overlords to obfusicate the real force of the nodal axis

that said yugang_grotto, the composite you describe shows, with the mercury/sun/venus stellium square the composite node, a warm, intelligent and loving connection with this man. mercury shows that you two speak from your hearts and reveal things that you wouldn't normal tell another person. this pattern shows you both to be extremely intelligent and your conversations always reflect this .with venus you conversations though incisive are filled with humor and laughter.
the composite nodal axis on your asc/desc axis shows that you can read this relationship like the proverbial back of your hand. you are absolutely tuned in to him and you can read his thoughts before he speaks and you know where conversations are going before you've begun them.

with his Saturn conjunct your asc and the composite south node, he may not have the exact psychic clarity you do(though it is possible)but he intuitive acts in the correct manner about thing between you and he. this position marks him as a figure of authority and substance. likely he is economically strong and has a strong physical presence. with Saturn and the node ,he is marked as a man with an occult viewpoint, and likely is very developed in these matters as Saturn with the node can mark an adept in some esoteric field of knowledge/thought.

Saturn on the node and your ascendant shows that the two of you have experiences some sort of altered consciousness together. it may be an innocent as seeing auras or as potent as running into magical situations or people. this position draws psychic/astral/ +/-magical experiences.
all other aspects to the composite node, no matter how "insignificant" are extremely important.
you speak of him as a friend. the Venus/sun/mercury-node square usually drawn individuals into romantic encounters, but here with Saturn to the nodal axis, the common desire passions may be over rode by the metaphysical knowledge and experiences you have gained with him. with this pattern Saturn would show undying devotion in romantic ways so likely you or him are already involved in relationships that preclude a romantic hookup between you.

todd

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posted November 09, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am very interested in an answer to that question myself, as in my composite Moon and Venus (6 degrees apart) are both square the nodal axis (their midpoint is on almost the exact square-degree).

Moon and Venus are both in 12th house, and interestingly Venus rules or disposits the Libra North Node it squares.

The North Node itself is EXACT conjunct AMOR, CUPIDO and CAMELOT (for giggles ) on the same degree (20 Libra), Pluto is conjunct by 5 degrees (and square Venus with one degree orb).
Mars, which rules the South Node, is conjunct the NN by 3 degrees (and squares the Moon exact).

SN is conjunct CHARIKLO (Chiron`s wife)

Saturn, which disposits both Moon and Venus, is in Leo in 7th house, having an exact sextile to the NN, and an inconjunct to Moon and biquintile to Venus (part of an exact Golden Yod between Jupiter-Saturn-Venus).

The "skipped step" planets, Moon and Venus, have some relation to our natals as well.

c-Moon is conjunct his n Venus

c-Venus is opposite my n Saturn

(my nSaturn is not opposite his n Venus - orb would be 8°58 - however my Saturn is contraparallel his Venus by 0°42)

c-NN (and Amor, Cupido, Mars) are conjunct his n Pluto (and my n DNA, SAPPHO, MUSA)

c-SN conjunct my n Chiron

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i understood this quite well...

It's interesting indeed that Venus is dispositor of the North Node. And where is Venus' dispositor?

Ah--you say so. Saturn, in the 7th!

No wonder the feelings are so intense. The 12th house Moon-Venus makes sense... ♡

posted November 09, 2015 06:56 PM            

todd, the transiting Nodes are presently aspecting my chart thusly:

T. North Node conjunct true osc. Lilith
T. South Node conjunct Mars
T. Nodes square Saturn

I am having some difficulties controlling my thoughts at this time although I also see how this is an opportunity to do that very thing... and any careful advice you can give me would be very much appreciated.

posted November 09, 2015 08:18 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Aubyanne I don't know how far down you read but that is some fascinating stuff...

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Eh. I couldn't slog through it. I've been battling a migraine for the past few days, and the last thing I need is an article where the author is using enough terminology to sound like they know what they're discussing, when it's just blatantly obvious to anyone that does that they don't.

I've not yet read Laughlin, but I'm familiar with his frustration regarding M-theory -- and all superstring off-shoots. Especially since no superpartners have been found, and string theorists are getting a bit antsy. I can say that the author of the post's calling Einstein's work and Newtonian (classical physics) 'emergent' is where I kinda had to close the page. No one who's actually studied physics -- both classical and modern -- would call Einstein's work 'emergent' simply because there's a theory that quantum physics may be the most accurate means of understanding our physical world -- ironic as that may be.

It's frankly meaningless anyway. We're INSIDE a classical system, and until we can reasonably (and reliably) operate -- consciously -- outside of it, as an ultimate observer -- we can't know, whether its nature is holographic, or purely atomic, or some hybrid -- or what exactly. I'd say the work done in regards to Everett's many-worlds hypothesis that's studying the cosmic background radiation, and where 'other dimensions' may've 'bumped' into ours -- that seems to me to be going in a direction that's got the potential for some amazing results.

As to entanglement -- that's something I've been studying in depth lately. I also feel it's an area that will yield some wonderful conclusions.

But how the hell does this relate to the NODAL axis? Why does it even need to? Nobody even mentioned the Saros cycle, so, for one who's supposedly explored the NODES in depth, I find that ... suspicious. AND there's a conspiratorial element. Not needed.

Anyway. I love the NODES. I think there's tremendous wealth there; as a timer, especially.

What I don't see is why it has to 'go quantum' -- especially when we're looking at a closed system, and I've found the sidereal NODES to be far more important when analysing karmic features. So the tropical NODES can't be 'underlying all planes of reality'. Whether or not the NODES themselves do? That's too generalised to me. Perhaps NODAL patterns, but just the placement? Ehhhhh.

Not to mention that time doesn't exist in a physical sense. No past, no future. It's all now. I would've been on board if the article was saying how everything is occurring simultaneously across multiple dimensions of existence -- and 'past lives' are really just alternate layers or slivers of that existence. But it didn't, so, hey. I seem to still be something of a minority in that regard -- astrologically speaking.

I'll say one thing, specifically regarding NODAL placement.

I suspect that souls, being made of the same stuff as everything else -- if we're all basically made of strings, or even solely atoms. Theoretically, that should be possible. Especially within a closed system. So I've started wondering what would be the effects of quantum-entangled souls? Would it be like the hullabaloo we're seeing in the twin flame phenomenon? I wonder.

But I DO suspect that, regardless, Jack and I are 'entangled'. Which, in this vein, intrigues me -- with his Huber NODES being 0º along my tropical NODES. The 18º LEO/AQUA axis.

At least it's kinda looking at the poster's theory, and seeing how, maybe, if just observing this single eigenstate, there's a hidden link between the two NODAL axes -- viewable through Huber, which is the 'here and now' system.

posted November 09, 2015 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Todd, I highly suggest not putting much stock into that link you shared. The author does not legitimately understand quantum physics.

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I think he understands it as well as you think you do

todd

posted November 09, 2015 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
This is a really interesting read todd... it's strange how accurate it is given that i wouldn't have drawn the same conclusions from these particular aspects... the midpoint pictures in the composite are Neptune heavy and indeed those mystical experiences have figured prominently in our relating.

I felt very romantic about him back then and I'm making a conscious effort to keep things about friendship/mysticism this time around...

it's not a sun mercury venus stellium--venus opposes sun and mercury..
Same reading?

I'm feeling compelled to post the composite and synastry now, so appreciative of the detailed read.

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it's not a sun mercury venus stellium--venus opposes sun and mercury..

oh I see.
but yes the interpretation would ne the same .especially when dealing with midpoits because ,you know there is a near and far midpoint. so a opposition and a conjunction are on the same vibration

todd

posted November 09, 2015 08:33 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
This is a really interesting read todd... it's strange how accurate it is given that i wouldn't have drawn the same conclusions from these particular aspects... the midpoint pictures in the composite are Neptune heavy and indeed those mystical experiences have figured prominently in our relating.

I felt very romantic about him back then and I'm making a conscious effort to keep things about friendship/mysticism this time around...

it's not a sun mercury venus stellium--venus opposes sun and mercury..
Same reading?

I'm feeling compelled to post the composite and synastry now, so appreciative of the detailed read.

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This is a really interesting read todd... it's strange how accurate it is given that i wouldn't have drawn the same conclusions from these particular aspects.

I find it interesting that many different focus of astrology all then to give the same picture.as you see I rely heavily on aspects , yet I have read interpretations virtually identical to mine by astrologers using only houses and signs.
then there are asteroids which give the same pictures but with totally different symbols' i have decided the chart is like an onion. each layer may be different but it is still from the same onion. this is why I have never criticized another astrologer's interpretation even if I have a different take.as I like to say we all have all signs.

rahu

posted November 09, 2015 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
yes the interpretation would ne the same .especially when dealing with midpoits because ,you know there is a near and far midpoint. so a opposition and a conjunction are on the same vibration

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Depends entirely upon whether there's already something that's conjunct one of the points that's at the near-end. There's an argument -- which I'm starting to agree with -- that the near-midpoint conjunction is strongest, with the far-midpoint acting as a kind of invisible balance point. Not sure. You may want to look into it. I think it was Munkasey who was exploring that with planetary pictures. Martha Lang-Wescott's done the same, but with the 90º dial, which is apples and oranges here -- but an honourable mention, as it were.

If these are square the NODAL axis, they're a skipped step. So, the one that's opposite the conjunction will be operating as part of the 'balance point' on the far-midpoint. In short, that energy will be working to stabilise the other energy.

Not the same in synastry, however. A conjunction of the skipped step point with anything on it is a magnetic 'karmic' link. Anything to oppose that -- in synastry -- can almost feel like an intrusion. It has to first be understood and assimilated by the one in whose natal it appears. THEN it can operate as a balance point.

posted November 09, 2015 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Depends entirely upon whether there's already something that's conjunct one of the points that's at the near-end. There's an argument -- which I'm starting to agree with -- that the near-midpoint conjunction is strongest, with the far-midpoint acting as a kind of invisible balance point. Not sure. You may want to look into it. I think it was Munkasey who was exploring that with planetary pictures. Martha Lang-Wescott's done the same, but with the 90º dial, which is apples and oranges here -- but an honourable mention, as it were.

If these are square the NODAL axis, they're a skipped step. So, the one that's opposite the conjunction will be operating as part of the 'balance point' on the far-midpoint. In short, that energy will be working to stabilise the other energy.

Not the same in synastry, however. A conjunction of the skipped step point with anything on it is a magnetic 'karmic' link. Anything to oppose that -- in synastry -- can almost feel like an intrusion. It has to first be understood and assimilated by the one in whose natal it appears. THEN it can operate as a balance point.

It's more of a process, in that sense.

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Depends entirely upon whether there's already something that's conjunct one of the points that's at the near-end. There's an argument -- which I'm starting to agree with -- that the near-midpoint conjunction is strongest, with the far-midpoint acting as a kind of invisible balance point.

i'm not into spitting hairs, the mathematical reality is that there are two midpoints. opinions do not interest me.

my research has found than transiting nodes define cultural/political events, personal/social events and geological/historical events.
there fore the node has to be considered as a underlying principle.

posted November 09, 2015 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Aubyanne I don't know how far down you read but that is some fascinating stuff...

todd, the transiting Nodes are presently aspecting my chart thusly:

T. North Node conjunct true osc. Lilith
T. South Node conjunct Mars
T. Nodes square Saturn

I am having some difficulties controlling my thoughts at this time although I also see how this is an opportunity to do that very thing... and any careful advice you can give me would be very much appreciated.

Saturn seems to be about control and structure of reality, and of course as you write there, thought forms are the basis of reality.. so I guess my concern right nowis that my thoughts are causing/have caused powerful things to come to pass and it's feeling very important--imperative--to make the right moves at this time. Does that sound like a t. NODES square natal Saturn type situation?

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ok let me get this straight.... you have mars opposed to true lilth and Saturn square to lilth natally

posted November 09, 2015 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
ok let me get this straight.... you have mars opposed to true lilth and Saturn square to lilth natally

I assume the orbs are tight.
Ii interpret lilth as the undifferentiated base of all emotional and rhythmic processes.
so when the node trasits lilth, the impulse and sensation well up from your unconscious/subconscious "center". often there is a feeling of confusion because the usual conscious stimuli are not responsible for the feeling you are having. as both the nodes and lilth are axis, the transiting node will give you prescient/psychic impulse.
with mars on the lilth axis, this transit shows that innocent or spontaneous behavior tends to be the correct direction to take.
but with Saturn square, these feelings are not so easy to respond to as Saturn is unforgiving and too much ego involvement leads one astray. ad I think the general take on Saturn applies here.... frustration and emotional constriction. the Saturn/mars square here can show that the regular reaction or regular action you take can lead to unexpected and usually constrictive outcomes. I really don't like this piecemeal interpretations because you know the entire chart affects every point.
todd

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The orbs are darn tight. It's true Lilith at 1 libra, Mars at 1 Aries, Saturn at 0 cap.. and i looked again at transiting nodes and they're finally moving off the Lilith / Mars axis (thank goodness).

I understand your dislike for piecemeal interpretations.