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Topic: Most common Aspects in Longest-Marriages
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Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 02:24 AM
  
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Tell me, how many marriages do you believe have lasted more than 80 years?
A small # of charts proves nothing.
I don't care how many charts you have to look at, the # of charts studied is equal to the veracity of the claims made.
Your small sample size is worthless, because, you studied an insignificant group. And you didn't even study all of them, like you could have. You studied 30 or so and ran away with it.How is that so complicated for you to understand?
Your findings can't be translated to anyone looking at a synastry chart. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by MyVirgoMask:
Besides! Who has time and energy to do study of hundreds of thousands of charts?
This is why you'll never be a good researcher.
And who said hundred of thousands?
No, I said hundreds, if not thousands."does that mean your observations are somehow less worth merit than if you're putting like 30 years instead of 30 studies? I don't think so."
--Again, it goes back to # of charts, and taking a detailed approach, something more scientific than a casual silly glance. "And even then, the aspects claimed by that huge amount of research would become statistics. I have no interest in statistical-based astrology alone , it goes against some of the art of astrology."
---Well if you have argument with that, what do you think the OP posted? Oh right. Statistics. Based on 30 or so charts. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted January 03, 2012 02:34 AM
^ why are you getting so worked up? Chill -_-.IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted January 03, 2012 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by racole12:
My god, Moonfish is just sharing what she learned. That's it. If you don't like it, then let it go. If you just continue to argue that her research is pointless, then you have a deeper issue going on (for example, maybe being angry at another person and projecting it on another person) and in the end you are just arguing with yourself. Moonfish, thank you for your research and inspiring me to look at the subject a little more.
I know right?
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Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
How did this turn into an argument? If thirty long-married couples I know have that in common, that is damn sure significant in my book. I don't believe the sun conjunct moon thing either. I don't have it with ANYbody and for some reason my lunatic sister from hell has it with EVERYbody.
LOL. You don't know damn research.
Take it and run with it, like the OP, if you must.Sun/Moon is like Mars/Venus in the sense of pure masculine feminine energies combining, barring hard aspects from the natals to the conj.
Not all can run with it. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by racole12:
If you just continue to argue that her research is pointless, then you have a deeper issue going on (for example, maybe being angry at another person and projecting it on another person) and in the end you are just arguing with yourself.
Nice try. But a fail nonetheless.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
^ why are you getting so worked up? Chill -_-.
Why are you concerned with my reactions? They're not your business.
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mintgirl123
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posted January 03, 2012 02:51 AM
Yeah I never said they were. But you're overreacting and acting kinda hostile towards the OP imo. This isn't some life and death situation. You don't need to get so like worked up. o_OIP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 03:11 AM
^ My reactions aren't going to run according to your preferences.Ever. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 03, 2012 03:13 AM
Lonake! Why are you so offended? Moonfish is not publishing a book, just making a personal study...nothing wrong with a little lively discussion and observation, some speculation etc... IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 03:19 AM
^ Speculation.
Now there's an apt term.Not study.
Not research.
Most w/out tob.
Not an educated guess. Lemme double check now cos I don't want to make a mistake.
conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise: a report based on speculation rather than facts
Yes.
I like that one.  IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 03, 2012 03:25 AM
Your dislike is more about terminology and semantics, which fine but why not just say it without insulting?IP: Logged |
ElizabethO
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posted January 03, 2012 03:30 AM
Well, if I could butt in a bit... Those aspects look interestingly similar to the Magi's list of romantic linkages... I don't give them much weight because I think they're a bunch of fanatics overruled by money-hungry schemers, but even evil people can be right. I do find that aspects to Saturn are especially prominent in most of the synastry charts I've come across, and it makes sense. Saturn is all about creating lifelong foundations. I actually quite like Venus opposition Saturn. It's a balancing act with many lessons, but it's not as restrictive as Venus conjunct Saturn or combustable as Venus square Saturn. I don't have much opinion on Venus trine Saturn... Would assume it's agreeable to have between two people. Okay, y'all go back to arguing. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 03, 2012 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Well, if I could butt in a bit... Those aspects look interestingly similar to the Magi's list of romantic linkages... I don't give them much weight because I think they're a bunch of fanatics overruled by money-hungry schemers, but even evil people can be right. I do find that aspects to Saturn are especially prominent in most of the synastry charts I've come across, and it makes sense. Saturn is all about creating lifelong foundations. I actually quite like Venus opposition Saturn. It's a balancing act with many lessons, but it's not as restrictive as Venus conjunct Saturn or combustable as Venus square Saturn. I don't have much opinion on Venus trine Saturn... Would assume it's agreeable to have between two people. Okay, y'all go back to arguing.
I can't stand Magi, they are fanatical. Their aspects are completely delusional in the sense of, they go, If XYZ happens then things will FAIL. If ABC is present, then it is magical lollipops and sunshine. To me though, any study which comes off as fanatical as that and is set in stone and has no space for discussion is the same - it is more intent on being right than anything else. There's no room for growth in a space where discussion is decapitated. I don't see that in the OP's post, it's very open and engaging in the sense of people are always welcome to add their perspectives. I like Lonake's additions too, Lonake knows a lot. I just don't know why there's such contempt aimed at Moonfish. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 03, 2012 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by MyVirgoMask:
Your dislike is more about terminology and semantics, which fine but why not just say it without insulting?
Terminology matters immensely, because what comes along with it are certain specific connotations.
If you want to think that I insulted, go right on ahead. I know that there are a lot people here that don't care for my opinions on things. I'm not bothered by them.IP: Logged |
ElizabethO
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posted January 03, 2012 03:54 AM
^ Oh, I wasn't saying that the OP's post is some overt Magi propaganda, if that's what you meant... It's 3am and I'm tired, so forgive me if that's not what you meant. I just think it's funny that the Magi might actually have something right in regards to Venus, Neptune, NN, and Chiron. But yes, Magi Society is ffing crazy and full of money hungry ******** . I mean, their software, from what I remember reading, is $200! When astro.com gives you declinations for FREE. Silliness.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 03, 2012 04:01 AM
No worries, Elizabeth. Yes, Magi is crazy. We can agree on that then lol  Lonake, I understand (now) that terminology matters a lot to you. I can relate. IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted January 03, 2012 04:06 AM
The major problem I have with this 'study' is the consideration of marriages 8 decades or longer, for the pure simple fact that not many people make it to 80 to begin with. Although for a couple to be together that long is pretty damn amazing, but like I said, people usually die by then. I would probably look into relationships lasting at the very least 20-30 years. It would allow us to look at more 'recent' relationships at a time when divorce rate is fairly high. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 03, 2012 09:38 AM
In the old days, girls got married as young as 12 years old and boys as young as 13 years old. I think in my culture, there were girls being married as young as 9 years old. That is how marriages are able to last over 80 years.These days, some couples don't get into their first marriage well into their 30s. I have witnessed extremely strong marriages cut short by extraneous factors such as war and accidents. It hardly means that those marriages were not as strong as those which lasted over 80 years. In fact, in generations past, divorce was taboo. My grandparents on my father's side had their marriage last over 70 years. They hated each other with a passion and made snide remarks at each other passing in the hallway. She celebrated when he died and could not stop smack talking him at his funeral. Just something to ponder. IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted January 03, 2012 09:56 AM
I guess this goes to show the importance of a hypothesis. Form an educated guess first, gather data, etc. I forgot the rest lolsSaweet dreamz! @anongrl10: the other thread got closed so I'm gonna say here.....You must be insane. I don't have a sense of humor. Don't you know anything about your beloved Cappies?? IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted January 03, 2012 10:02 AM
Very true Ian. Indeed something to ponder on... what's with long marriages if both hated each other...For research purposes, perhaphs long marriages meant with saturn thrown in BUT many other harsh aspects? What if a relationship was not legally binding but it was looong n lasted 50yrs? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 03, 2012 10:03 AM
Moonfish,what kind of aspects and what orbs did you use? Also, I think it is an interesting observation you made on these 30 charts.
It certainly is not enough for an "official research", but it is clearly enough to start pay attention and explore this further.
I`d think it might indicate some tendencies that should be further explored with more charts, to see if they will hold. IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted January 03, 2012 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Very true Ian. Indeed something to ponder on... What if a relationship was not legally binding but it was looong n lasted 50yrs?
Per Magi, that would be due to Juno-Chiron linkages Or dominance of Juno linkages in general.True of me and my ex. We had more Juno linkages than anything. Things were dandy until he started on the topic of marriage and then it started heading downhill. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted January 03, 2012 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
In fact, in generations past, divorce was taboo. My grandparents on my father's side had their marriage last over 70 years. They hated each other with a passion and made snide remarks at each other passing in the hallway. She celebrated when he died and could not stop smack talking him at his funeral.Just something to ponder.
I think that is an extremely important point. In looking at the synastry of longstanding couples (I would also prefer 20-30 years actually), all we can observe is the fact that they lasted long, but it doesn`t indicate anything about the quality or the emotional connection they shared.
But I don`t think it is possible to measure emotions statistically; all we can "measure" is observeable things like duration of a relationship, start and end. And even that sometimes is not clear. IP: Logged |
Illusion21
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posted January 03, 2012 12:35 PM
I read somewhere that Moon conjunct Saturn is an important aspect in synastry of long term relationships and marriages IP: Logged |
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