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Moonfish
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posted December 31, 2011 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you study Synastry then it should be no surprise that Saturn is the most common Planet you see in long-term relationships.
This link shows a list of the longest lasting marriages in the world (the longest over +90 years) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_longest_marriages

I looked at more than 30 couple's synastry charts, and surprisingly another common aspect was what we call the "Divorce Aspect" Venus-Uranus. However, with every Venus-Uranus aspect there was a strong saturn aspect. Overall Venus-Uranus & Mars-Uranus came up more than Sun-Saturn in these couples charts. :O

The Bold aspects are what over 90% percent of the couples had in there synastry, & the ones that aren't were at least 70%
Sun-Neptune (easy aspects)
Moon-Saturn
Venus-Saturn
Mars-Saturn (harsh aspects)
Venus-Uranus (if none, Mars-Uranus)
Venus-Chiron(if none, Venus-Ceres or Venus-Vesta)
Jupiter-Chiron
Venus-NN
Saturn-NN

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posted December 31, 2011 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raya_of_light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Moonfish~

That is very interesting. I posted my synastry charts between two guys I'm conflicted with and both contain some of the bold aspects and some that are not bolded. One of the guys I'm highly attracted to physically..like a compulsion, but he only want the physical and nothing else. The synastry reports were pretty accurate about the physical/sexual aspects, but everything else it seemed like it's on pause and so I don't know what it's like with him just that he's an ******* with me and that the physical is hot.

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posted December 31, 2011 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No Sun/Moon ?!?

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posted December 31, 2011 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have consistently found Sun/Moon to be great in theory and not in practice. IMO It can draw people in but it doesn't prove longevity. I put more stock in compatible moons because they have some familiarity at least. I know sun/moon is so loved etc because it is so symbolic but I just don't know. It never did anything for me, maybe that's why????

And yeah, I agree about Saturn. And I agree about the Venus/Uranus so-called divorce aspect! My mother and stepfather have been married for almost 30 years and they have this. They are both Aquas and have prominent Uranus in their chart. I think they can handle the Uranian tides. Same with any couple esp as you say, with Saturn. The hard aspects with it can be totallllllllly annoying but they're gluey too.

Oh yeah also before i forget - I think if you have a major formation in your chart (i.e. Tsquare, Grand Trine etc) and someone puts a planet in very close aspect to it, it can become remarkable 'glue' - turn Grand Trines into Grand Kites, Tsquares to Grand Crosses, or somehow round out the person's chart so that they're somehow 'completed' by the aspect.

But I think of a couple of friends who've been together for a long time and have no Saturn aspects and wonder ....what the hell has kept them together this long? I think it's definitely other stuff. Plus there's the composite which kind of shows other things too probably

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posted December 31, 2011 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moonfish:
If you study Synastry then it should be no surprise that Saturn is the most common Planet you see in long-term relationships.
This link shows a list of the longest lasting marriages in the world (the longest over +90 years) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_longest_marriages

I looked at more than 30 couple's synastry charts, and surprisingly another common aspect was what we call the "Divorce Aspect" Venus-Uranus. However, with every Venus-Uranus aspect there was a strong saturn aspect. Overall Venus-Uranus & Mars-Uranus came up more than Sun-Saturn in these couples charts. :O

The [b]Bold aspects are what over 90% percent of the couples had in there synastry, & the ones that aren't were at least 70%
Sun-Neptune (easy aspects)
Moon-Saturn
Venus-Saturn
Mars-Saturn (harsh aspects)
Venus-Uranus (if none, Mars-Uranus)
Venus-Chiron(if none, Venus-Ceres or Venus-Vesta)
Jupiter-Chiron
Venus-NN
Saturn-NN[/B]



This makes sense to me. The whole uranus causes divorce does not feel right, I feel uranus brings people together and if the couple is evolved enough and understand how to love unconditionally without controlling eachother and by accepting each other as each are then it works out bc uranus to me is what teaches me about detached love and it makes sense that lasting marriages can handle this type of energy in their relationship. Saturn should be involved too but I never felt that uranus equals ooh watch out....it wont last! perhaps when one of the parties is not mature enough to handle a bit of chaos and unpredictability. Personally a relationship devoid of uranus would not fly with me....it would feel too boring and restrictive. I need change, unpredictability, detachment to a certain extent for me to be able to last with anyone for more than a year.


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Uranus though without any saturn been involved will probably be short lived but with saturn involved I think it adds to the relationship definitively but if couple is young and immature even with saturn involved it will probably be short lived. I feel uranus energy is a gift but only when the people involved in the relationship have the maturity to handle it.

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posted December 31, 2011 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No Sun/Moon ?!?

There birthtime is not listed, so idk the moon aspects

Moon-Saturn is there because I noticed this aspect a lot despite all birthtimes being set on 12:00pm. It came up about 20 times (not exact), so it made me believe that it's a good candidate. Not to mentioned I've seen it in my friends/family marriages quite often.

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posted December 31, 2011 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MyVirgoMask:
I have consistently found Sun/Moon to be great in theory and not in practice. IMO It can draw people in but it doesn't prove longevity. I put more stock in compatible moons because they have some familiarity at least. I know sun/moon is so loved etc because it is so symbolic but I just don't know. It never did anything for me, maybe that's why????

And yeah, I agree about Saturn. And I agree about the Venus/Uranus so-called divorce aspect! My mother and stepfather have been married for almost 30 years and they have this. They are both Aquas and have prominent Uranus in their chart. I think they can handle the Uranian tides. Same with any couple esp as you say, with Saturn. The hard aspects with it can be totallllllllly annoying but they're gluey too.

Oh yeah also before i forget - I think if you have a major formation in your chart (i.e. Tsquare, Grand Trine etc) and someone puts a planet in very close aspect to it, it can become remarkable 'glue' - turn Grand Trines into Grand Kites, Tsquares to Grand Crosses, or somehow round out the person's chart so that they're somehow 'completed' by the aspect.

But I think of a couple of friends who've been together for a long time and have no Saturn aspects and wonder ....what the hell has kept them together this long? I think it's definitely other stuff. Plus there's the composite which kind of shows other things too probably


Good point of view
Again I'm not sure about Sun-Moon, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a common aspect

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posted December 31, 2011 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MyVirgoMask:


Oh yeah also before i forget - I think if you have a major formation in your chart (i.e. Tsquare, Grand Trine etc) and someone puts a planet in very close aspect to it, it can become remarkable 'glue' - turn Grand Trines into Grand Kites, Tsquares to Grand Crosses, or somehow round out the person's chart so that they're somehow 'completed' by the aspect.

Wow great insight!!!

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posted December 31, 2011 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about pluto!!!!??
You didnt find pluto aspects prominent in atleast 70 percent of the cases?

I guess this would explain why most married couples don't have sex out this world type of sex and is more a lovers domain.

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posted December 31, 2011 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:

This makes sense to me. The whole uranus causes divorce does not feel right, I feel uranus brings people together and if the couple is evolved enough and understand how to love unconditionally without controlling eachother and by accepting each other as each are then it works out bc uranus to me is what teaches me about detached love and it makes sense that lasting marriages can handle this type of energy in their relationship. Saturn should be involved too but I never felt that uranus equals ooh watch out....it wont last! perhaps when one of the parties is not mature enough to handle a bit of chaos and unpredictability. Personally a relationship devoid of uranus would not fly with me....it would feel too boring and restrictive. I need change, unpredictability, detachment to a certain extent for me to be able to last with anyone for more than a year.


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Uranus though without any saturn been involved will probably be short lived but with saturn involved I think it adds to the relationship definitively but if couple is young and immature even with saturn involved it will probably be short lived. I feel uranus energy is a gift but only when the people involved in the relationship have the maturity to handle it.


I agree & every couple that had Venus-Uranus either had Venus square/opposite Saturn or Mars square/opposite Saturn :O

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posted December 31, 2011 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
What about pluto!!!!??
You didnt find pluto aspects prominent in atleast 70 percent of the cases?

I guess this would explain why most married couples don't have sex out this world type of sex and is more a lovers domain.


Many of the couples are around the same age, so most of the aspects were generational like Neptune-Pluto, Uranus-Pluto, and Pluto-Pluto. There were a few Moon-Pluto Conjunctions, but again without the birthtime I can't be certain.

I've seen a lot of Moon-Saturn in some personal marriages I know, including long-term celebs couples I've looked up. So that's why I'm pretty confident with posting that aspect. Whereas the others, not too sure.

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posted December 31, 2011 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I have Venus-Saturn, Venus-Uranus, Saturn-Neptune, Saturn-Pluto, Jupiter-Saturn and Mars-Saturn. I'm still too young for a Golden Anniversary, but the marriage has been going for almost two decades.

And I have Venus-Uranus too

And Amelia28, we have Pluto everywhere and this marriage has me totally exhausted. I know you are desiring active sex, but too much is ridiculous.

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Apologies for a non-astrological post but I'm wondering if the data you posted takes into account factors such as culture and religion?

If not then I would discount this study.

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posted December 31, 2011 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's hardly a study, there's only 30 charts.
And if tob is unknown then Moon/Saturn has to be crossed off.

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"Study" then!

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posted December 31, 2011 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What? There is no study based on a small sample. It's conjecture.

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posted December 31, 2011 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for josie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about the nodes conjuncting asc/dec or mc/ic?
You would think that any of those aspects would be present in a long lasting relationship?

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posted December 31, 2011 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What have you found to be of greater influence / to be more reflective of a relationship: Synastry or Composite?

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posted December 31, 2011 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And Amelia28, we have Pluto everywhere and this marriage has me totally exhausted. I know you are desiring active sex, but too much is ridiculous. [/B]



LMAO.........I am happy for you both but thanks for trying to make me feel good, that is really sweet and I have to say that you have made me laugh a number of times....You are a funny!

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posted December 31, 2011 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
30 charts is not a representative sample but I have read many journal articles based on case study research of about 30 people and bc 30 is such a small sample the validity is always questionable. However I find it to be a good pilot study or exploratory study....In other words a study that gets a specific research idea going by putting it out there but clearly will need to be followed up with further research that has a representative sample to confirm results are actually reliable and valid. Also even if the original research consisted of a representative sample it would still need follow up research as results need to be replicated many times for it be considered reliable and valid.

So when I see a study like this I don't discard the results but take it with a grain of salt realizing the deficits of study and need for it to be replicated with a representative sample many times for the results to prove valid and reliable.

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posted December 31, 2011 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We met late in life, in synastry my moon on his saturn and venus. It is a great relationship , we also have a venus- uranus opposition in the composite, we do our own thing as well, and then happily re-unite again. Our moons are conjunct.

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posted December 31, 2011 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Lonake/amelia28
Thats your opinion, but keep in mind I did the Top +30 longest marriages recorded World Wide (the shortest 81yrs). If you ask me, it's pretty rare for marriages to last that long especially in this day of age where divorce rates are nearly 50%. So I feel like my research was a decent amount considering how many couples actually stay together for that extended time. Are you saying that these aspects continuing to come up is nearly just a coincidence? If so, I'm always up for a good debate (Jupiter sq Mercury). Again with Moon-Saturn I've seen it plenty times in my personal experience so I'm not taking that off :]

If you Click the link there are over 100 marriages listed. Feel free to do your own research if it interests you.

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posted December 31, 2011 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mockingbird:
What have you found to be of greater influence / to be more reflective of a relationship: Synastry or Composite?

I personally believe Synastry to be a greater influence.

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posted December 31, 2011 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Lonake/amelia28
Thats your opinion, but keep in mind I did the Top +30 longest marriages recorded World Wide (the shortest 81yrs). If you ask me, it's pretty rare for marriages to last that long especially in this day of age where divorce rates are nearly 50%. So I feel like my research was a decent amount considering how many couples actually stay together for that extended time. Are you saying that these aspects continuing to come up is nearly just a coincidence? If so, I'm always up for a good debate (Jupiter sq Mercury). Again with Moon-Saturn I've seen it plenty times in my personal experience so I'm not taking that off :]

If you Click the link there are over 100 marriages listed. Feel free to do your own research if it interests you.



It should be taken off, you don't have the tob so you said, so you can't get the Moon.
The subject doesn't interest me as I don't have personal concern for long-standing romantic relationships, (if they were romantic at all).

The funny thing is that with the rarity of the decades upon decades long marriage, the research is all but worthless. Majority simply don't form partnerships that last any great length of time. Your sample supposes that they wed possibly right out of high school, if not younger, of course Uranus is going to show up with impetuous young people. You can see with this small size, the flaws already.

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posted December 31, 2011 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your not interested in this theory than why be so concerned with one aspect? I admit that moon-saturn appearing in these charts may still be inaccurate but just saying it isn't enough for me to remove it from the list. For all means I would like to be proven wrong but that's just it, there needs to be Proof.

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