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posted September 11, 2017 09:25 PM            

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Is it always a bummer when one party has a planet or two in the other party's 12th?

Seems that way in my limited experience, even when promising synastry is present in other areas of the chart.

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posted September 12, 2017 06:20 PM              

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Depends on the planet?

For romantic relationships, 12th house Sun never gets off the ground for me. I suspect 12th house Moon might be a lot different. You would also have to check your Composite chart and maybe even a first meeting chart for 12th house placements. Any other planets in the 12th house wouldn't be negative, I think.

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posted September 12, 2017 10:52 PM            

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Grand fire I think it would be dependent on how receptive the 12th house party would be to having that house activated. A younger or immature person may not welcome that but someone who is ready for it may be. I've had my moon in another's 12 on a few occasions and I've noticed that it is really up to the house person to let it in. If you know what I mean. 12th is very personal...

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posted September 13, 2017 03:02 AM            

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In a lot of synastry charts Ive found12th house placements with personal planets (sun,moon,mercury,mars,Venus) in another's chart to follow a theme for the house person that they feel at first a fascination with the planet person, as they bring out feelings in first encounters that this planet person is deep and interested in knowing their secrets and private life.

For the planet person in a new relationship they first find the house person mysterious and with profound emotions kept hidden that makes them intrigued to get to "know" them intimately and at soul level.

As time goes on I find 12th house placements of the personal planets in synastry, if not balanced by some 1st, 4th, 5th or even nice 7 house aspects will start to create the feelings of secrecy and emotional distance.

The house person may start to not like someone digging into their most private parts of themselves and discovering their secrets. Perhaps finding the planet person overwhelms them or suffocates them, possibly too needy or clingy.

The planet person on the other hand may find they feel shut out by the house person, feel them pull away a lot and never able to feel true intamacy and closeness together.
They might be suspicious of the house person at times, feel they are keeping secrets or not being honest.

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posted September 13, 2017 03:05 AM            

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As beautiful said, the moon may play out differently as the moon is comfortable in the 12th house, that does however depend on what sign the person's moon is in.
If for example you have a libra moon, they may struggle. As libra moons need closeness, fairness, honesty and to be in a relationship to feel settled and content

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posted September 15, 2017 06:41 AM            

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I have my sun/Mercury in a guy's 12th conjunct his asc that I'm completely overcome by. My venus is in his 1st.
He has his sun/Mercury/moon/mars/Uranus/Pluto in my 12th. Lollllll
Now....this stellium plus his venus (which is in my first) conjuncts my ascendant.

So there's good stuff going on here too. We often feel like we have our own little world with one another, getting lost in this beautifully transcendent reality. Lots of eye gazing. Completely enamoured by the other. We really enjoy each other's company, revel in it. And well the sex is completely spiritual, emotional, tantric...healing. As he says it's the perfect balance of lust and passion.
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we are also very secretive with one another. It confuses me as to what he's thinking,, how he's feeling. It's not like we mean to be. It just comes across that way because we don't want to stuff it up and lose the other. I end up misreading him only to realize that he was feeling exactly like me all along. We have lots of pluto in our syn/comp so it all ends up being vomited out eventually. Only to then end up retreating and going into the mistrust territory. We are both in our late 30s so I guess that helps, otherwise I would've been out of there. If I was in my 20s I wouldn't have had the energy to stick around.
So it's beautful to have this 12th house stuff and frustrating at the same time...

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posted September 15, 2017 09:12 AM              

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I've always wondered about someone's Venus in your 12th house. I've heard it's a super close, psychic-like bond. But at the same time I've heard unrequited love and clandestine affairs.

What does "psychic bond" mean anyway???

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posted September 15, 2017 11:10 AM            

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Venus in 12th house.

I had this with a guy friend, his venus in my12th house. This is how that psychic bond" worked for me, I could always every morning before I saw him at class know what he was gonna wear that day! I just got the image in my head and almost always it was right! haha!. I had a crush on him and we hung out at school everyday for 2 years at high school, but he already had a girlfriend so it was doomed to be "unrequired" love. Well not true love, but anyways.

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posted September 15, 2017 05:04 PM            

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I also think Venus in 12th tends to be Star-crossed. My ex had his Venus in my 12th and at that time we had to keep our relationship secret from my parents because they didn't allow me to date at that time. The guy I like has his Venus in my 12th and we have an age gap and our relatives have opposite political views. I'm looking that we have a 0% chance of being together if he cares about those things.

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posted September 16, 2017 07:55 PM            

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Thanks, all, for reporting on this topic.

Possibly I need to keep an open mind about having a woman's planets in my 12th.
To date, a Pisces Sun and a Pisces Mars went nowhere.

EmGem, your graphic description leaves me wondering if I'd survive such an intense affair.

For the time being, I believe I'll stick with baseball.

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posted September 16, 2017 08:35 PM            

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His moon is in my 12th house.

At first I feel like I can trust him with my personal life. He asks me about my past relationship (yes, he highly curious about me as I look mysterious for him) and I tell him my bad experience in abusive relationship which I never tell anyone (unless my fam) as I don't like people know how badly hurt or tragic moment I have. It turns out I have found he tells all his friends that I am a crazy woman that I am in mental illness state because of my past relationship. When I hear it, I feel like there's a knife on my chest, stab me hundred times, like, I trust this man and it's a private matter how could he?

Since that I never ever trust him with my personal stories.

We have big trust issues in relationship as there're some other factors too. He thinks that I hide something from him while I think I will never ever trust him anymore.

How we, no, I, solve the problem, as I am still in relationship with him (big time on-off), I don't focus on how both of us don't share some of our life activities. I let it as part of our relationship theme as he really really gets ****** of if I do the same thing asking him questions. I learn to keep checking the reality.

If you are the 12th house person, just be careful with the planet person in synastry.

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posted September 17, 2017 02:45 AM            

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Ooh, whoa, hearttreasure I'm sorry that happened to you. Makes me think if he did that to other people even without the aspect involved. This is a great reminder to stay guarded at all times with new people. My ex is an absolute liar and petty person, and we had Neptune square sun in synastry. I found out that he said really bad things about me that weren't true from his now fiancé, which was stupid enough to believe him and not believe me when I told her what he said about her. I'm just glad to only dealt with them in a very short time and I hope as time goes on they get what they deserve by tearing each other apart

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posted September 17, 2017 11:58 AM            

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Jupiter in the 12th is often considered pretty good in synastry because Jupiter tends to be very much at home in the 12th house.

All the other planets are generally not great in the 12th in synastry.

Sun in the 12th is often especially considered dangerous. The 12th house is what is hidden and the Sun illuminates things to have them be seen. Not a great combination at all.

But it depends on the individual charts.

I know in my case and from my own history, people who have planets in my 12th (except for jupiter) are NOT to be trusted no matter what their sex is. But I have Saturn and Rahu in my 12th and neither of these do well in the 12th OR in Leo so someone like me really shouldn't toy with having people's energy in my 12th.

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posted September 19, 2017 06:35 PM            

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The native twelfth house is Pisces, which is known as the dustbin. The 12th house embodies the subconscious, hidden enemies, and ending winding down.

Mars in the twelfth often causes issues because Mars is an action planet and the twelfth is about reflection and introspection.

Venus in the twelfth typically relates to hidden love/romance which manifests similarly to venus square neptune or choosing inappropriate or doomed relationships.
The 12th can be frustrating because many planets are not comfortable there and hard aspects tend amplify those issues.

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posted September 19, 2017 07:28 PM            

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Thanks, everyone, for responding to this thread. I've learned much and appreciate you taking time to explain this synastry.

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posted September 25, 2017 10:35 AM            

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Thanks, everyone, for responding to this thread. I've learned much and appreciate you taking time to explain this synastry.

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posted March 25, 2018 10:37 AM            

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What if the 12th house persons Moon is in the other persons 5th house?

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posted March 25, 2018 01:39 PM            

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I don't know about the moon being comfortable in the 12th house. I've seen a lot of complaints about this overlay, including my own.

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posted March 25, 2018 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I don't know about the moon being comfortable in the 12th house. I've seen a lot of complaints about this overlay, including my own.

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No I mean if the 12th house persons moon falls in the other persons 5th house. For example let's say my mars falls in someone's 12th house. And their moon is in my 5th house.

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posted March 26, 2018 03:50 PM              

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What if the 12th house persons Moon is in the other persons 5th house?

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I have this with a really good friend of mine, his Leo moon in my 12th and my Aries moon in his 5th. He's one of the few I feel I can tell anything to, like a soul brother, and we got close very fast, but never tried anything romantic (timing? age difference? )

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posted March 26, 2018 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I have this with a really good friend of mine, his Leo moon in my 12th and my Aries moon in his 5th. He's one of the few I feel I can tell anything to, like a soul brother, and we got close very fast, but never tried anything romantic (timing? age difference? )

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Sorry I was saying that my Mars is in their 12th house. And their moon is in my 5th house.

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posted March 26, 2018 11:06 PM            

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I've been in several 12th house relationships before and they did not last. My longest relationship was with a Sag sun, and my moon + mars was in his 12th. He loved me dearly, but I always felt that whenever I was trying to be serious he wouldn't really take me serious. To him, I was just getting too worked up or that I'm just over thinking. It was very frustrating to express my feelings to him and have him take me seriously.

Another relationship I had my venus, merc and pluto in the guy's 12th house. He claims he loved me but I didn't feel it. He was not satisfying my needs of affection nor emotional security.

I must say, I liked these people ALOT and it really depends how well they are handling 12th house issues. It's either they are themselves very introspective or they will have no clue..

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posted March 27, 2018 02:57 AM            

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@Starry~* did the other person have planets in any of your houses? Or did any of your other planets fall in their other houses?

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posted March 27, 2018 12:13 PM            

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@Starry~* did the other person have planets in any of your houses? Or did any of your other planets fall in their other houses?

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My planets fell into their 12th house, they didn't have any planets in my 12th.

I have a 12th House sun natally, so even if they had planets in there, I would be more receptive.

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posted March 27, 2018 12:32 PM            

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I've read that having Mars in the 12th house in synastry can indicate two people having an affair.

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