posted December 22, 2018 05:21 AM            

his chart:

synastry:

composite:

posted December 27, 2018 03:50 PM            

If this is indeed his birth time, it gives him a 3rd house Chiron. In researching this, I found the following:

In the end, this transformative healing experience can make you aid others who have similar problems. It will make you rather compassionate towards people experiencing trouble with their expression, and even make you sensitive towards everyone who is unable to speak their mind, no matter for what reason. A curious pattern is that a person with Chiron in the 3rd house is better in teaching other people about how to manage their communication than they can their own. Be wise enough to apply your great pieces of advice on your own self too, and you will figure out the best way to deal with what holds you back!

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posted January 05, 2019 02:55 AM            

I'm still holidaying, but have begun tuning back in. I see things are underway

Hmm.. maybe it was your own Venus you were feeling reflecting back then.. ie, not his Virgo Ascendant.. haha..

Yes, I thought the asteroid connections were interesting. However, I would watch out for it.. in my experience, they can lure people in but it's all trickery! Could just be me though

I hear what you are saying about the Chiron. And I understand what you are doing - you're just unpacking the themes of the relationship and enjoying the journey.

I see on the other thread there is some "bad" feedback. In my opinion, this only highlights the value of context. Marriage, longterm, how we do relationships.. all changes with age and other context: eg, social positions, etc.

Although your Venuses are square, Virgo and Gemini have a lot to give each other. And, again, as we gain age, difference in people becomes more attractive for many. Someone who is different brings something to the table of the relationship and at a time when we have space and capacity to listen, learn, appreciate the difference. We are more able to manage the intensity of (those) asteroids too.

I love the grid, well done for not giving up! Straight up I see the degrees are close, this is an important factor. I love that you have quintiles too.

Your closest aspects on the grid that I see that are worth noting are:
Mars opposite his Moon
Your SN on his Saturn
Your Pluto trine his Venus
Your Chiron square his Mercury

There are others that are more supportive, and also some sextiles, but they will fall into the background and these challenging ones will be more prominent is the angle I am taking here (for brevity).

As mentioned before, I find that no matter the aspects, the symbolisms, and house placements, the close degrees tend to bounce back and forth and create regular patterns and systems of relating. So I would figure from these there will be a theme of asserting one's self and then also battles related to authority. This is also reflected in his natal. I would say that, with Saturn on your SN, his bossiness will become tiresome sometimes.

posted January 06, 2019 03:53 PM            

So thank you so much for your insights. At first the negative feedback got to me, but then I decided to just trust my feelings in the moment.

BUT! here is the interesting part... I found out his ex wife's chart and it is soooo close to mine it's crazy. She is born the day after me, but different year. So clearly I fit his profile/type. I do doubt the time of birth he gave me. He is going to ask his mother for a birth time. We shall see!

I still feel he is a Virgo ASC. I know the Sun Pluto sextile could account for some of this, but this man is meticulous. He is so Virgo it's crazy. And his wife and his children both hit spots in early Virgo, right where my Venus is and where I would suspect his ASC would be. So even if he isn't a Virgo ASC, there is something happening for him that draws aspects to Virgo 5-10. Interesting stuff.

posted January 06, 2019 05:34 PM            

No, the thing is that it's context - where you are in your life, whether in baby-making mode, how old, whether at the end of career, social and financial status - an endless list really. Someone can and is, regularly, still attracted to someone even when they are not their usually type (meeting their romantic profile). And compromising is more possible as we age.

The meticulous thing is interesting too! Could it be compensatory behaviours even, I mean for anxiety or anything else.. I'd have to look more at his chart to explore. Have you asked him why he is so?

I'm still away. And there are no updates for me - nothing from that guy. I'm still going on dates and was on one last night. Nice guy but, temperaments are quite different. My sunburn is otherwise taking priority

posted January 07, 2019 05:17 AM            

And what I find interesting in the accounts from the other readers is that they don't really fit. At least not yet? Luna stated this was a hot fling, especially for him. This is not a hot fling. I am the more hesitant one. He is making long term plans with me and has expressed that very clearly from the start. He has introduced me to his friends and son, and will introduce me to his daughter once she is back from a trip. There is nothing "fling-like" in his behavior. So again, you are right. I am setting aside the astrology of he and I, and trying to be in the moment of the relationship. Because at the end of the day, charts can tell many many different stories.

This is his ex-wife's chart. I like to look at the important people around someone and look for patterns. Jupiter is a pattern for him, as well as Pluto/Venus. I see this in his kids as well as his ex-wife. Her Sun where mine is, her moon in Taurus or Gemini is either in his 6th or 7th. If in Taurus it would aspect his Moon and if in Gemini it could potentially aspect his Venus. Mars where my Jupiter is. Her Pluto where my Mars is. They have Venus Mars. And Moon Pluto. And they were married for ten years, together for maybe 15.

posted January 07, 2019 05:50 AM            

And why I love talking with you is that you take a broad view. Enjoying the philosophical exploration of astrology and making observations rather than seeking only the outcome of the synastry. Relationships become then an astrological unravelling and a real adventure. AGAIN - context is everything and there's still more. I mean, just basic things like how attractive people are influences relationships. People will compromise if they know their options are limited in this area for example. Why chart reading is sensitive business.

I suppose something that will be interesting is to evaluate her chart, and the condition of those planets in similar placements to yours, and then too, how he will experience the same aspects through synastry, but via your chart. If THAT makes sense. I mean, he may feel your Jupiter as a familiar vibe, ie, her Mars. But, her Mars challenged from Saturn there, and your Jupiter isn't challenged from Saturn, then you will feel easier. Familiar, and easier (until the Pluto square comes along ).

On the other hand, that familiar vibe may bring out projections, his chart may be triggered to remember painful arguments, or unfinished business.

posted January 07, 2019 05:51 PM            

I am eager to meet his daughter. Unfortunately her Pluto squares my Venus and I feel this may be a sticking point. I think she may be a handful but the composite of she and I is lovely.

I have a friend who is a psychic and she predicted this relationship. She also read the relationship when I first met him and felt it was high soulmate level. Confirmed by the Pluto Venus and the Psyche Eros. And the DW Union Amor, I feel.

As for him, my feelings are all over the place! I go from strong attraction to lust to love/adoration to feeling protective of him to seeing him from an outsiders perspective. He is so smart and so in tune emotionally, so intuitive, and yet at the same time a little awkward and clumsy. He is all over the place too! But so meticulous and routine and has his ways of doing things. I like the energy between us. I have gone to his home and he shares it with me like it's mine. When I was cooking in his kitchen and he was reading the newspaper the other day it was the most easy and comfortable thing in the world. Like we had been intimate lovers and friends for ages. There is a definite ease. His Moon in my 4th? Not sure. Again, not sure his TOB is right. Composite moon would be in the 3rd if he is a Sag ASC, but this feels so much more intimate. The protective part must be my Sun trine his Moon?

I am with you, astrology is so much more than "does he like me", though yes I want to know those things too. Ultimately I am fascinated by human interactions and what makes them tick and what brings people together.

I am still dying to hear of your updates. Though dating can be a flash kind of thing- hot date one minute that fizzles out to nothing the next!

posted January 07, 2019 11:26 PM            

These aspects go a long way

I love hearing what he's like and how you are experiencing him.

posted January 08, 2019 07:55 AM            

My Sun trine his Moon makes me in the more masculine role, and he looks to me. I wasn't sure how I felt about that, though that is a common role for me in relationships. However, his Saturn trines my Sun and sextiles my Moon, so I think he plays that role too for me- the leader. This would provide a nice balance.

We were out at a party the other night with his neighbors, where I knew no one. At one point we separated and I talked to some people while he talked to a different group. When I eventually came to find him (much to my relief), I saw the same sense of relief in his eyes. It's like we were completely fine handling ourselves like we have always done, but there was immediate comfort and security in being there together. I think I stabilize him. So there are these moments where I sense his fragility (and fragility is not the right word, but you know what I mean?) but 90% of the time he is very strong and secure and masculine. I am trying to decide if that is him and everyone can see it, or if that is the connection between us.

Saturn conjunct Moon for him- he has not shown intimacy issues and has been very forthcoming, though he may pull away in the future? But he is very loyal already. I definitely see that. But even though his is a Pisces Moon, the Saturn conjunction makes it more Cap like, so it reinforces the strength of our sextile. We are very similar people, he and I.

I also was giving thought to anxiety, as you had mentioned. I correlate Chiron with Virgo. With a Chiron conjunction to his Pisces moon, this gives it a Virgo moon flair. Virgo moons are very prone to anxiety, needing neatness and order in life to function. Maybe this is the Virgo energy I am getting?

posted January 08, 2019 07:57 AM            

Moon Chiron is a family hallmark. I don't know their TOBs, but his daughter may have a square between moon and chiron. Ouch. He has the conjunction of course. His son has no aspect but a Virgo moon. His ex wife has a potential sextile.

posted January 08, 2019 05:12 PM            

That's funny what you said about the party and your questions about "trying to decide if that is him and everyone can see it, or if that is the connection between us." It's an exciting time of the relationship, especially when you're getting that emotional feedback from him too. Sounds again like Moon vibes to me. Astrologically though - profound and deeply you continue to go! It is again a place I go to also. Loving to trip myself out

And yes about the Virgo.. I see Chiron as Virgo too. Maybe it is the vibe you're getting? This is a good chance for you to observe and test that Chiron = Virgo idea.

posted January 08, 2019 08:33 PM            

her:

me:

Look at that! Fatedness but struggles too- her NN on my Venus could be alot for her. Her Pluto square my Venus. But we have Jupiter trine Jupiter and Saturn trine Saturn. Also my Saturn trines her Sun and her Saturn squares mine. Classic parent/teacher role, is it not?

DW Mars Venus. And I don't know her TOB so Moon is variable, but Moon Pluto potential. As a person, she looks a little scattered. A lot of fire energy with her Aries Mercury and her Sun conjunct Mars. Moon in Aqua makes her a little detached seeming, especially if conjunct Uranus and square Chiron. Ouch. Neptune square Sun, she's not sure what she wants or where she is going. Pisces Venus conjunct Jupiter, more fire. She idealizes and romanticizes life and is just kind of "going some place" but never really sure where, except maybe she thinks she knows? Disillusioned. And carrying a lot of hurt with her that she most likely likes to box up in nice little compartments and put away, or mentally organize.

posted January 09, 2019 05:42 PM            

The grid says your Moon is opposite his Sun. My mistake.

posted January 09, 2019 05:50 PM            

She has the Venus square Pluto that is classically said to attract abuse. Venus on her Ic (potentially). She doesn't have much for her Venus. And yes, your Venus will help her a lot, but it would be a long journey. I agree with what you say about her conjunction to Jupiter. Her Venus is on her SN, good enough, so, pretty much a t-square there with Pluto/nodes and Venus. She will struggle to move on from her own personal (unconscious) feelings of "not being good enough", and which is related to her family background wounds. AND also, because of the t-square, move into her own empowerment. Which may take more than this lifetime.

Her challenged Mars is on your Chiron there. Her Mars is almost combust.

Her Sun, in between Mars and Saturn can be a depression marker. She will likely be more Capricorn in the way she manages her progress, imo. It will be slow and steady, and sometimes tiresome in her older days. She would be best to study so it's slow and steady progress and can let her Uranus work at something useful. And study something in science. Even body-related science like, Physiotherapy or something. Best to not let her dream off because it could lead her to bad places. She needs foundations and structure that's predictable and reliable. And studying will provide her a place in the world (NN and 10H) and an escape from her pains.

Music of course would be equally good, and obviously art. But I say the others as they are more structured, and fields less likely to get lost in. Which she could. She should probably play a sport. She should probably do all of these things to keep her energy focused, utilised and growing. and that will give her positive feedback on her abilities. So she doesn't go too inward.

Also, her Moon, with Pluto and Mercury form a talent triangle. This will be her go-to safe place, where the energy will flow naturally. So again with the studying; she will be able to write well, and express herself for those essays and/or science related reports and things done at university.

At least her Moon is separating from Uranus, it's not so overwhelmed as it could be then or fixated/entrapped.

posted January 09, 2019 08:02 PM            

The daughter will be interesting. And I agree with you that this would be a long haul. If the relationship becomes long term with her dad, this could be a very influential relationship for her. My Saturn trine her Sun and she will appreciate the structure, but her Pluto square to my Venus and her Saturn square to my Sun and outwardly I see struggle and resistance. But I think this is her nature by default too, from what I have been told.

posted January 23, 2019 10:08 PM            

Small update my side:
I've got my text buddy back (I call him "hypothetical" in my head). No f2f though.

The other one ("dreamer") is around.. But those squares in our charts are too too much. But he is super into me. Typical.

posted January 24, 2019 07:39 PM            

I am not surprised your hypothetical is back! Gosh it feels so similar to my on/off love. So similar!

So you’re not drawn by #2? Not even a little? I have to go back and look at that synastry.

All is well here. Chugging along. I have tried to put the composite aside and focus on other stuff. I’ve been looking at duads and 9th harmonics lately for fun. But the composite always gives me anxiety. Not this composite, every composite. My struggle with perfection. So I am trying to step away from it and look at the here and now.

posted January 25, 2019 12:21 AM            

Yes, to be discussed on my thread but - yes, I noticed today that, actually, in tighter orbs, it's Uranus square the ascendant in our composite ("hypothetical" & me). With no other aspects, that might be the driver of what's going on. Especially when we're both so Uranian.

Also, Nessus is fairly challenged. Though I know less about asteroids, especially in composite.

But this is your thread
I hear you about the perfection. i'm ok with the same chart over a long period, ie, like yours, but I can't really look at too many charts anymore. They are so layered, and so complex, I just get tired beyond anything easy to access.

posted January 25, 2019 08:12 AM            

Things are going very well. My guy and I are definitely a couple. I think you can relate- sliding back in to a relationship has a tendency to bring up old wounds that we have to deal with. So, I am thankful the relationship is on solid ground so I can deal with my personal old wounds quietly. I don't envy the naivete of being young and going in to love blindly knowing what else comes with it. I actually am appreciating the aspects of a more mature relationship, but it doesn't make it easy! We carry a lot of baggage at this stage in life, don't we?

posted January 26, 2019 06:01 PM            

It's a hard aspect in my opinion. But, context is everything and I think being older is a panacea to this aspect. I believe that when were older it's ok to have a relationships that reminds the psyche of something in the past. Which is what SN is.