posted September 23, 2020 01:14 PM            

“I’m not sure how well to respond because I don’t believe in twin flames, rather I find this label misleading and problematic, language-abiding. It’s a myth like any other, comparatively.

Hypothetically, if another person was me existing in another form, why should one ever wish, even expect, worse anticipate, for their physical life to be with me? Self-limiting, deceitful and selfish. I wouldn’t want that for myself, to be only with myself beside myself, aside from the obvious of that on its own.

My soul’s mission for this lifetime is moksha; attaching to anything, would be counter-intuitive and to suffer. I don’t believe that general people who use this twin flame label are awake in proxy to the experience by any stretch of the imagination, because if they were, they would then without any doubt choose the only path available to closing cycle of reincarnating, and arguably nothing more. i.e. chastity/brahmacarya, sattva, welcome anything karmic-driven as-is, wait for their death, etc.

I do believe my ex aided in awakening me (reminded the truth) to my soul-purpose, perhaps as planned, but this formality has little to do with the path set before him.

What I came here for, is to burn off all karma. I am to be spirit, actualized, no beyond or before.

The breakup/suffering-awakening happened during my Rahu-Saturn antardasha; with a Capricorn Saturn as my Atmakaraka, in the 8th House, during sade sati. Simple conciousness-defining stuff.

I proposed a question online once to one of these most popular spearhead twinflame-collective tarot readers hosting almost 25,000 followers: “I’ve been wanting to ask, maybe not my place, just a curious follower also on a spiritual path who believes there reincarnation as a twin. Do you ever wonder about the karma you might be accruing for leading masses to holding onto some thing or another, literally influencing their daily life, that might not happen in the form expected by humans? Obviously, you’re in business to offer insight from your cards and not personally responsible for how people heal/evolve/discover god, but these general readings (about union and romance) are highly suggestive.”

This leader (divine feminine teacher) didn’t quite comprehend the question’s implication, could reiterate that she knows it’s her soul purpose (imo this is respectably obvious, without contest) and that she doesn’t “worry about karma” (hm, I said wonder, not worry) bc knows herself to be a good person, and that she’s not liable. Fair enough. Needless to say I was thankful for her reply—got a telling answer. Though I stand by: it’s one thing to be called to serve god, another thing to pander to god.

a spiritual experience can be acknowledged all while left undefined, otherwise vulnerable to māyā

In comparative myth and birthchart at hand, I am Revati venus, wife of Balaram, and furthermore by conceptual quality of SN, potential devotee of Lord Ganesh/Matsya. The mythos of which I am personally unpacking and leaning more curiously towards.

and in similar anti-TF “fashion”: I don’t care that our birthdays happen to be mirrors of 11: 02-09 / 09-02, nor that we met on 09-11, that Juno/Jupiter Venus/Mars were conjunct in the skies the month composite was born, that each other’s 7L conjuncts each other’s Ascendant, and our luminaries to each IC, that our birth names are the split derivatives of Phanes-Dionysos, the androgynous, hermaphroditic creator-god born of the Cosmic Egg, that were from separate cultures/continents and unified instantly upon meeting, that we separated on some lions gate day caused by a doppelgänger. the superficial side of this kind of list could go on and on. although these things were brought to my attention, will be the first in line to call bull on this specific style of confirmation bias.”

posted September 23, 2020 03:27 PM            

the way it goes for me is I had heard about “twinsouls“ once. it came up on google one afternoon, maybe just month before meeting said-ex, scrolled through the page and legit never thought about it again after that moment, so much other energy was going on—was fixated on a dolphin sculpture I had seen months before to be bothered with alt-romantic ‘unintellectual, unscientific’ stuff like that. not until after the separation years later was I *forced* to consider it because I always knew, had been shown, there was something more to us, the unconditional love still felt in spite other events—but so what?

also, the same summer that the term twinflame arrived, my brother was being misdiagnosed as schizophrenic. the term “kundalini” came to me during a deep meditation, had never heard of such a thing, had to sound it out and plug it into google, and shared it with my mom who was dealing with a very unlike-my-brother mental disturbance episode. my brother, although diagnosed with MS, has never been schizophrenic, that day wasn’t, to this day isn’t, and is a successful, grounded data analyst. I remember him on call giggling, cross-referencing love, the math of chaos theory’s butterfly effect and my birth name (Vanessa) while being held overnight in a state institution. In all honesty, I should probably offer more precedence to the chain of events between that upcoming meeting of my ex and the immediate spiritual effect had on my family—who knows.

with that said, and galactic, you’re not wrong to assume what my ex is for me based on what you clearly believe in, I just am not buying into what such a thing as told by quasi-spiritual socialized circles—Nope, steering clear! So I forgo the label entirely. genuinely appreciate your sharing and attempt to offer guidance, as you’ve come along. however, I am choosing, with what little free will I have, not to believe in it such a “connection” after all, laughably whatsoever, and see where that takes me. Preferring study of the vedas atm.

posted September 23, 2020 03:59 PM            

Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but I always recommend going deeply within, specifically hooking up to Expanded Guidance under more ideal conditions, and asking these without beliefs or preconceptions what is true or not, before coming to believe or disbelieve in any important or deeper topic.

It's the only way off the human hamster wheel of dogma, illusions, distortion, and false beliefs--(that and living a life very aligned with truth on the deeper levels--this opens up and clarifies ones perception).

posted September 28, 2020 10:25 AM            

I have zero interest in debating this for various reasons, but I am happy to disseminate the following information which comes from, in my view, the most reliable group of channelers by far, L/L Research, lead today by Jim McCarthy who was a part of the original group consisting of Carla Rueckert and Don Elkins. These three are the people who channeled Ra and published The Ra Material - in my view the most profound and ground breaking book of channeling available today.

Let's just say these people are lightyears more developed in their practice than 'youtube channelers'. But let's also be aware that when the right information find you, it matters very little from what localty of our cosmic whole it comes from - it will always be from the whole, and when it hits the right spot, it hits the right spot.

The following are excerpts from their sessions where the topic of Twin Flames is being probed:

From DEC 26, 1982
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1982/1982_1226.aspx

(Jim channeling)

I am Latwii, and I greet you, my friends, in love and light. We are privileged once again to be able to join your group. We thank you for extending this invitation to us this evening. May we ask then if there might be a question with which we might begin our humble service?

S: Yes, Latwii, I have a question. What can you tell me, if anything, of the phenomenon known as twin souls?

I am Latwii, and am aware of your query, my sister. We find that this term and others among your peoples has become somewhat overworked, shall we say. There are among those who seek the truth many concepts which fascinate the mind. The very seeking of truth opens new vistas and presents the mind with information and experience of such a revolutionary nature, shall we say, that often it is difficult for the seeker to discern those concepts which have merit from those which merely attract attention. The concept of the twin soul, soul mate, and twin flame or twin ray is a concept which has some basis in what you may call fact, but which offers little of value in the seeker’s experience. Though there are entities who have from the great reaches of time and space as you know them come into the earth planes as groups and even as a type of mate, there is, in our humble opinion an overemphasis upon such a phenomenon to the point where the searching for one’s, shall we say, other half becomes a replacement for the searching for truth. Therefore may we say that such phenomena do exist, yet are quite insignificant when viewed in relations to the purpose for such incarnation.

From APR 6, 1986
https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1986/1986_0406.aspx

Questioner: Can you tell me of the concept of soul mates?

I am Latwii, and am aware of your query, my brother. We find that this is a term which is most popular among many of those who seek the nature of truth among your peoples at this time, yet it is a term which has been somewhat misused, shall we say, in its most common usage. We find that the term of soul mates is reserved for those entities within your third-density illusion who have from incarnation to incarnation journeyed together and found the seeking of truth to be enhanced by joining in repeated incarnations in order that lessons begun and carried on at one time may be completed, as you might say, at yet another time. Those of the nature of soul mates may be many in number, not just two, and may be of many sexual natures in order that there might be the variety of the interaction between various entities in various incarnations.

May we elaborate in any further way, my brother?

Questioner: There’s also the term “twin flames.” Is that also soul mates or is this a different form of incarnation?

I am Latwii, and we believe that we might best answer this query by suggesting that the term twin flames is a term which is somewhat more specific in its use. Entities who are of this nature are, shall we say, somewhat more closely connected in the nature of their being and in the nature of their seeking. The entities will have found their individualization of consciousness as having sprung from the same root, shall we say. This is a concept which is somewhat difficult to explain in terms of your language, however, we shall attempt such.

The origin of the individualized nature of these entities is an origin which in many cases brings forth only one individualized portion of consciousness and sends it forth that it might gain further experience and continue through the process of evolution thusly. The twin flame concept springs from the dual aspect of the consciousness foci which then have the same origin within what you might call the upper levels of the second-density pool of consciousness. Thus, the entities who might fall within the designation of twin flame are somewhat like the Siamese twins that are the rare occurrence within your own illusion.

May we answer in any further way, my brother?

Questioner: Is there any way that one can tell if he has met his twin flame?

I am Latwii, and am aware of your query, my brother. We find that there are many ways one may know about the nature of another. In the case of which you speak, the recognition of such an entity could perhaps be first noticed in a certain unspoken feeling that is shared between the entities. The somewhat unconscious knowing of another might then expand in its expression to include what you may call the precognitive experience of another, that is to say, one may begin to anticipate the thoughts, words and actions of the other before they occur. Within the meditative or perhaps the dreaming state, one may discover certain experiences shared in other illusions making themselves known in symbolic fashion. The entities may then through continued interaction become aware that there is more to their current experience than meets the eye, and this may then be pursued in what you may call the hypnotic regression where the intent is to move into previous experiences in order to discover more of the shared experience which is, shall we say, magnetically drawn to this current experience.

May we answer further, my brother?

Questioner: No, thank you.

From JUL 17, 2003
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2003/2003_0717.aspx

G: Thank you, Q’uo. I have a cluster here. Are my twin soul and I adhering to the preincarnatively chosen plan that we had set before us, for the course of our earthly relationship? Is there anything more I can do to help her to free herself from her own confusion? And is there a higher road of service that I might walk, higher than the one I currently walk now?

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your queries and the concern which generates these avenues of inquiry. We feel that you are well aware that there are no mistakes in any seeker’s journey. There are, however, expectations. Oftentimes, it is more efficient for the seeker to remove expectations and to be able to accept that which occurs as that which is appropriate. However we are aware that catalyst does not usually work as easily as this simplistic description within your illusion. There is oftentimes much angst between the desire to serve and the actual service as perceived by the self.

The path which you and the entity which you call your twin soul have chosen is indeed appropriate for your own movement into service at this time. We are aware that each would, in what each would call an ideal world, wish to serve in another fashion, one which was more proximate, shall we say, each to the other, in more obvious service and types of learning. Again there is the matter of [allowing] catalyst for growth to occur truly. There is, shall we say, a weight or a resistance against which each moves or pushes so that there is an exercising of the spiritual muscles or ability to conceptualize that which is yours to seek and to serve, to give and to receive. There is always a means by which one may serve more efficiently. That is another way of saying there is always growth potential available. It is well to refrain from taking one’s spiritual temperature, judging oneself, attempting to evaluate just exactly where and how one moves upon the path of service to others.

posted September 28, 2020 12:34 PM            

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there is, in our humble opinion an overemphasis upon such a phenomenon to the point where the searching for one’s, shall we say, other half becomes a replacement for the searching for truth. Therefore may we say that such phenomena do exist, yet are quite insignificant when viewed in relations to the purpose for such incarnation.

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posted September 28, 2020 12:58 PM            

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[QUOTE]there is, in our humble opinion an overemphasis upon such a phenomenon to the point where the searching for one’s, shall we say, other half becomes a replacement for the searching for truth. Therefore may we say that such phenomena do exist, yet are quite insignificant when viewed in relations to the purpose for such incarnation.

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Lol, isn't that what I basically also said earlier when I said,

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With that said, ultimately twin souls are not that important in the grand scheme. Ultimately, we are here to become conscious of our Oneness with the Whole, and our true, Source like nature.

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posted September 28, 2020 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Lol, isn't that what I basically also said earlier when I said, [QUOTE] With that said, ultimately twin souls are not that important in the grand scheme. Ultimately, we are here to become conscious of our Oneness with the Whole, and our true, Source like nature.

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yes 👍🏽 👌🏽 sorry that my replies seem redundant I’m busy at this very moment but want to confirm that Galactic indeed prescribed the same. Though I haven’t read anything further writing yet aside so will exchange this comment eventually with something else once I get to that

posted September 28, 2020 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
The Ra material--it's come up some. Not sure how I feel about it since one of the channelers committed suicide (often an indication of a person overly allowing themselves to be influenced by very negative outside entities), and like most channeled information--rarely giving specific information that can be verified in an evidence/fact based kind of way.

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That's Elkins. He was not the channel (Carla was) but he organized the whole activity. Whereas people who are deep in the 'awareness-getting' are more prone to negative attack due to the coupling of more receptive filters with the negative's purpose to derail higher consciousness evolution, I find Elkin's suicide to be a poor argument to distrust the material. That act of free will is a very complex matter considering all circumstances that surrounded it.

I have no problem with your interest in Cayce whom I've researched myself, but imo you put him on a too big of a piedestal and this piedestal seem to cast a vast shadow. Cayce tapped into the akashic records within which there are various probability-vortexes that we may or may not travel toward, he could read this material but it does not mean we will travel through those specific vortexes, even if we may.

The Ra Material comes from a 6th density consciousness - it is vastly diferent. I suggest you study the material before practicing the skepticism which keep you away from it. It is incredibly dense and eloquent information, a wonderful complement to the Cayce material - I am certain you will appreciate the investment.