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Randall
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posted July 07, 2001 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
I sometimes get questioned about Linda's ideas concerning immortality. As a Linda site, I feel it is my responsibility to honor all of Linda's beliefs. Immortality is one such belief. Even if I didn't beLIeVE in immortality, I should still support what Linda said. It is my responsibility as Administrator to do so. Fortunately, I DO beLIeVE! Immortality was a natural for me, but there have been a few of Linda's beliefs that I have questioned (although I would not publicly say so on the site), but time has proven to me that Linda was correct. So, I finally came to terms with the simple Truth that if Linda wrote about it, it's fact. Knowflakes can disagree with anything Linda said (she did say to find your own Truth), but as Administrator, I will only just interject what Linda said into the conversation (not forcefully, but just in an informative fashion). All opinions and viewpoints are welcome here, but as a site dedicated to Linda, we don't expect to have to defend Linda's beliefs. We shouldn't have to. That's not what this site is about. We are here to celebrate Linda, not to defend her. Linda spent a great deal of space in Star Signs about physical immortality; in fact, the entire book was working up to Chapter Nine (which is why she said to read each chapter in order). But didn't Linda die? Well, that's another story for another time!

As Linda stated in Chapter Nine, reverse polarity holds the Key to physical immortality. Progeria is the example she gives. If young children can grow old very quickly, then the reverse MUST also be true. It can be no other way. So reverse spirals and cellular regeneration are all part of nature. It's built into our DNA, just waiting to be awakened. Confirming this, science has found a species of seagull that does not age! They have tagged them and have been examining the same birds for many, many decades! Each year, one or two don't return (due to predators or accidents), but the birds do not age (after maturing, of course). Some species of fish are also exempt from aging. So, immortality actually exists in nature as a natural phenomenon! Apparently, due to random selection, some creatures have no death genes. Humans do have death genes (M1 and M2 respectively), but due to Higher Consciousness (which separates us from a blade of grass or other such lifeforms), we can choose to turn off our death genes. In the lab, scientists are able to modify the M1 and M2 genes within individual cells and overcome the Hayflick Limit (the number of times a cell can reproduce), and they can make a cell grow old and then reverse in age. All of this is without Consciousness, of course. How much more can we do WITH Consciousness, by simply believing and Ordaining to the Angel of our Higher S-elves?

I take the same view as Linda. She viewed reincarnation and the discarding of "old" bodies as a waste. Why not stay in the current body and pay your Karma with full memory intact (and not having to relearn everything through birth amnesia)? Makes sense to me! Of course, there is nothing wrong with choosing to die. But Linda wanted us all to realize that it's a choice, whether we are consciously aware of it or not.

Now, for those that want to expand on Linda's concepts of immortality a bit, our very own Dan Hall is almost finished with his book, You Don't Have To Die, which should be available in book stores (and online at Amazon and Barnes and Noble) early next year. Ever since reading Star Signs, I have been wishing for a whole book on immortality, since the concept does open up a whole lot of new expansions into societal implications of every sort.

This site has several Immortals, so if you are thinking about becoming immortal, you have come to the right place. After all, Linda wrote the book on it! And, of course, if immortality is not your thing this time around on the carousel, that is okay, too. There are no wrong decisions. Immortality is a lonely road to walk, but it is a frequently rewarding one. We are often chastised for our beliefs in immortality, but we would never chastise those that choose to die. With immortality comes a greater responsibility to do what is right. Can evil Immortals exist? By reverse polarity, yes, but an accident or violent act would eventually do them in (even though they may not age). That brings Spiritual Protection into the mix, which I will get into a bit more later. I will end with a quote from Linda in Star Signs: "I am completely in control of the fate of my physical body. Nothing can harm me without my consent. And I do not choose to give my consent. I choose to live." Quite!

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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YIVY
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posted July 07, 2001 09:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Wonderful, Randall....and you are right, as an administrator on a site dedicated to Linda Goodman and her ideas, all of her ideas are to be explored. Whether one chooses to believe or not, is up to FREE WILL!

You are also correct in that choosing Immortality can be a lonely road to walk, but a worthwhile one.
BUT, the times they are a'changing, so maybe in the next 100 years or so it will be more common and people won't think you are strange.

I am an immortal, but it might not be someone else's choice.

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chronicprincess
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posted July 07, 2001 11:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message
There's too much white Light in here for offenders to hang around for long, it seems

Dan, I can not WAIT to read your book!

~princess

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Randall
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posted July 08, 2001 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Dan really has some great ideas that many have never heard of before. His first book is shaking things up, and I suspect the next one will really make some waves against the death merchants.

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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chronicprincess
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posted July 08, 2001 11:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message
!!! YOU GO DAN !!!

We are all right behind * * you

~princess

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Randall
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posted July 09, 2001 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Linda was very opinionated, that's for sure. One thing is certain about this site: If Linda wrote about it, it's open for discussion. We fully support all the Linda things.

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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Soma
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posted July 09, 2001 07:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message
My thought is that most people are not ready to see me live forever or to just walk off into the sunset and leave the ones I love behind. That would be hard. By choice or not. I tell myself that I am immortal and the ones I love. I tell them I will live forever. I do try to prepare them

I hope that I can become disciplined enough to carry it through. I would love nothing more then to keep this body and pay my Karmic dept with full memory intact and not have to relearn everything through birth amnesia.


My intentions are to keep going .....by the grace of my higher self

~Soma~

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YIVY
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posted July 09, 2001 10:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message
At least you know you have fellow immortals to help you over the 'rough' times..

I also think it would be very hard to go it alone...

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Randall
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posted July 10, 2001 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Soma, you have the greatest Immortality Support Group in the world right here!

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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Soma
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posted July 10, 2001 12:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Yes I do

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chronicprincess
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posted July 10, 2001 08:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Well.. I think so far, for me, the most compelling *mortal* reason to choose immortality is loosing the need for that *birth amnesia* and all that re-learning!

I have a question tho... is it required to become immortal to stop the re-learning/birthing process?

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Randall
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posted July 11, 2001 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Good question, Sahana. I am curious as to what you other Knowflakes think about that.

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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chronicprincess
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posted July 11, 2001 12:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Princess is anxious to hear what immortals have to say, or think about *Sahana's* question

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Randall
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posted July 11, 2001 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Sahana, I think that some Souls will rarely choose to stay on the other side, but most likely if a person dies, they will be back in another incarnation. Balanced Karma (empty 12th) doesn't necessarily indicate that the Soul won't return either, because that spoils all the fun! The Soul relishes physical experiences. That's why immortality is so appealing to the Soul. Ideally, we should be able to master the body enough to be able to walk with one foot in heaven and one foot on Earth. But it may take centuries of learning to do so, and the process is halted by death. Once attaining that level of discipleship, a Soul may choose to ascend (cross over without death) and stay on the other side, but that is not common, because as long as there are people here to help, the Soul will want to retain the physical expression of Life. And upon reaching that level, we can always visit our true Spiritual "home" at any time without dying or suffering birth amnesia (and while still alive).

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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chronicprincess
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posted July 11, 2001 06:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message
First, let me qualify my questions are asked for clarification, not to debate the issue or argue it.

So...

If it's not immortality, what do you call a soul that did let his flesh die but has balanced all his/her Karma, not needing to be *re-born* into the flesh again?

The dictionary defines immortal as *not subject to death* ... Then, our Soul already is *immortal*, no?

Is God/dess *immortal* in the sense that say YIVY, or Randall is, always to walk this earth in the same *body*? If not, what?

Is it for eternity?


~princess

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Randall
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posted July 11, 2001 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
This is just my ONION, but I look at Uni-versal Conscousness (Cosmic Mind, God, Goddess, or Holy Spirit) as etheric and akin to taking all that is and giving it Consciousness. Our Souls are a part of that. Though we are all One, we chose individual expressions of that Oneness. We were split in two (male and female) and were also split in fourteen pieces. The Soul Gathering is taking place to form our Higher S-elves (which always were and always are and always will be, due to the illusion of time). I feel that the Soul pops in and out looking for an immortal body from which to work with (a rarity until recently). Yes, the Soul is eternal and immortal. Physical immortality is a different concept. Very few have ascended without death. Buddha is one of those. Buddha was never fond of physical Life. His Soul always felt trapped in ther flesh. But for most of us, our Souls are tickled pink to Live (even if the Life is tragic and painful, because ALL experiences are wonderful to our Souls). I also feel that Karma is voluntary. As such, balancing isn't so much the goal as learning how to forgive is. And learning that we are not separate from each other. Love is all. We are One. Balancing Karma is not (in my ONION) our goal here so that we no longer have to be born into this horrific world. I feel the world is great, that all experiences are wonderful and conducive to Soul Growth, and that the natural home for the Soul is a physical body that can move to Spirit at will and back again.

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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chronicprincess
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posted July 11, 2001 07:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Randall, for your Onion, I just love your onions

Yes... that is what I imagined would be most *good* ... to move from body to Spirit at will... like, stopping by Earth for - short visits - until it IS Heaven on Earth

Nothing grieves me more *now* than to see what mortals do to our Mother Earth - and to each other ...

"...forgive them Father and Mother, for they kNow not what they do..."

~princess

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Randall
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posted July 11, 2001 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
How far along in Gooberz are you? Yes, ONIONS are yummy!

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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chronicprincess
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posted July 11, 2001 07:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message
"...forgive me, Mother and Father, for I knew not what I did - but I do Now..."

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chronicprincess
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posted July 11, 2001 07:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I am about half way thru... about done with chapter nine in Star Signs (wanted to re-read before continuing Gooberz) ...

Gooberz... there are no *mortal* words to describe it Randall, but when I am reading it... it's like... well... like I go into another *world* somehow, and on every page there is a part of my own story somehow (but not), does that make sense???

~princess

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Randall
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posted July 11, 2001 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, it makes sense. Gooberz speaks straight to the Soul.

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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chronicprincess
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posted July 11, 2001 07:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I am a slow reader without my reading glasses, and have none (yet)...

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Pegesus
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posted July 11, 2001 08:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi everyone,

As I was "channel-surfing today I caught a portion of a talk show and they were talking about women with an "aging" disease. I thought they were talking about progeria but it turns out there is another "aging" disease called "Turners Syndrome" and this woman on the show was 26 and looked about 8.

I have never heard of this but I immediately thought of Linda and this is yet another example of how things aren't what they seem.

There's just no way to know how old someone is by how they look.

I'm an optimistic skeptic about most things but I have long since learned that if Linda wrote about it, you can count on it.

It's like the universe keeps throwing little hints at us.

Anyway...thought some of you might like to know about this.

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Randall
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posted July 11, 2001 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Pegesus. Your Post brought tears of joy to my eyes to read what you said about Linda.

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"Thus shall ye think of all this fleeting world:
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;
A flash of lightning in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream." The Buddha

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YIVY
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posted July 11, 2001 11:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Pegasus...that is very interesting. ALmost like the body stopped as a child, but the mind kept maturing.

Princess..I think I see what you are asking. Somewhere along the line as an immortal I think the body will change and alter. It will still be you in a body, but a evolved one. Something we can't yet imagine.

It will take a long time, but it will change. I think we get to a point where the body is mostly light and as such will be altered or moved at will. That is how we will travel eventually. The step before that will be the ability to send our astral body at will. Then create doubles to go where we want..then the 'light' change.

In five or six thousand years it won't be as we know it now..it will be transformed. At least that is what I think It could take longer or shorter, but it will change. The Uni-verse was created on the 'change' principle.

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