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morgana
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posted December 27, 2002 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
OK, I see this is a highly guarded secret. I understand. Nobody wants to tell me anything. That's OK, I just wanted to know WHY, that's all.

I didn't want to interrupt this interesting thread, though.

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theFajita
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posted December 27, 2002 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Morgana

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Grasshopper
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posted December 27, 2002 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, Morgana,

I missed your post .. sorry about that. I'm no longer 401, as I've since celebrated another birthday anniversary. Actually, I celebrated all week long. Of course, by day three, nobody was celebrating with me and I was on my own for the next four days. Ah, well.

I understand your question, and here's the "real" answer.

Nope, I'm not really 402. Some time ago I started saying I was over a hundred years of age. Then I was over two hundred, and before you knew it .. I was ... 401.

I no longer remember my "real" age .. and that's kind of the biggest secret to immortality. We're falsely programmed to be a certain way at a certain "age." The really good news is that at what's probably 120 or so .. we're no longer programmed. If you made it that far and feel like a spring chicken ... you made it.

I'm 402 (which is a good a guess as any) and can't wait to celebrate my 1/2 century!!!!

I'll probably party down for a good year. You're invited if you want to come

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theFajita
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posted December 28, 2002 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message

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morgana
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posted December 28, 2002 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Grasshopper!!!

I somehow expected that kind of an answer because I know that not "knowing" your age is the key. Thanks for saying that, though, because I need all the comfirmation I can get - I have a really really strong Saturn in my chart and I'm overconcerned with my age as it is, so that's a really big step for me to overcome. I'll keep trying,
though. The first thing for me I think is to stop asking everybody their age, I constantly do that.

About the party, I'd be glad to come, but I'm not from the US - but maybe if you'll celebrate for a whole year... You certainly have the time for it.

And another question: what do you do when you reach a certain age, about the birth/death certificate and these things?

Please share some more about immortality, all of you! I want to know everything, especially the first steps as I'm still a beginner.

, morgana

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posted December 28, 2002 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
I think this business of intentionally lying to yourself about your age is...inconvenient. There is nothing amiss with keeping track of how many solar years you have been on the planet as long as you can look at that as a number and nothing else (renaming to "solar years" helps, as does not saying "years old", just saying "years" or "years young"). Lying to people about your age in a silly way (I am 800, etc.) gets old fast, to borrow a phrase. We immortals have...techniques...we use, we lie about our age to ourselves, we do rituals, we visualize spirals, keep ourselves from stepping on ants, take vitamin E and PABA, etc. But a technique is just that, a means to an end, not a rule to be followed (RULES are RUthLESs). I plan on telling myself, and others, my real chronological age.

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posted December 28, 2002 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
Just not right now.

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morgana
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posted December 29, 2002 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
So you're basically saying there are no rules about immortality? What about the specific steps Linda described in her book? Are those to be followed to a letter or is this just her point of view of what is the best and easiest way to achieve immortality?

But I must say this age thing puzzles me. How do you deal with the people around you? How do you aplly for a job, for example, when you have to tell the employer your real age? How do you go about all the red tape that you have to deal with in our society?

And if there are so many immortals, why are they/you all "in hiding"? Why not be candid about that? I don't think our society is that unevolved anymore that you'd be committed if you say you're immortal. And if you have proof, why not say it?

Well, these kind of questions are constantly on my mind. I'd really like to know what your experience in terms of ordinary, everyday life.


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posted December 29, 2002 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message
There are indeed many paths to immortality, and thusly many teachers and gurus to help you along your way (I wish I was a guru ... hehehe).

The very best teachers do not tell you how to be immortal, which is why you get many cryptic answers. The wise ones know to stand out of your own light, and you will find your way.

Regarding the job interview .. no employer is allowed to ask you your age in the USA (are you from this country?). However, sometimes they DO ask. I promise if you answer very evenly, "I'm over 18," with an insulted set to your eyebrow, a wise employer will not push that any further. If he does ... well, may I suggest that your labor of love will bear better fruit elsewhere.

Mercury: lexigrams fall apart when you start adding letters not in the original word (finding rules ruthless, for instance, reflects more on your own view than any true meaning in the word).

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posted December 30, 2002 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, Grasshopper!

But what about the birth/death certificate?

And, if you don't mind sharing that, how did/does your family and friends react to
all this?

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posted January 01, 2003 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
This will explain more: www.edenpress.com

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posted January 01, 2003 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message

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posted January 02, 2003 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
It is sad that someone would have to forge their ID because they did the "crime" of simply not dying of old age. I hate the idea of being forced into secrecy and exile, moving from state to state, changing my name, like I was a criminal or on the witness protection program. What a closed minded, intolerant world. Hell, while I am a "criminal", I might as well rob a few banks, right? There is also the mass perception you have to die like everyone else, and I suppose most people die out of conformity. You get shoved into a nursing home and everyone keeps whispering "Die" into your ear, so eager to zip you up and shelf you in the basement. Not sure if that really happens, but the concept bothers me. One day there might be an "immortal pride" parade. What a crazy concept. "Immortals, we are normal people too" Linda said you should talk openly about your immortality (yes it was in her little list of rules to live by) but in another place she says to lie about your age so the advice, like any good advice, contradicts itself and forces you to find your own path.

Yours, in secrecy...

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posted January 03, 2003 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message
I know an immortal who teaches high school physics. He stayed in the same shcool between the mid 1920's right to the year 2000ish. He is a most remarkable man who never bothered to mess with his ID. His labor of love for those 80 years was teaching that course.

I should return to that school and dig through the archives to show you his picture in the yearbooks through his tenure. The man did not hide his agelessness. Nor did he attract a lot of attention.

When he moved on from teaching, it had nothing to do with people suddenly wondering about his youthful visage. Indeed, he had been smoothly handling the odd commentary since the beginning. Rather, he suddenly felt the urge to spend some time in China. Perhaps he's teacing high school physics there, now.

My point is that ID may be an isssue, it's not as large an issue as it may seem. In "Highlander," ole MacLeoud changes his ID six to seven times since the advent of Social Security to hide his immortal ways.

However, stories from real life show that it's not neccessary even once same period.

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posted January 04, 2003 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
I always thought I could get by on claiming there was a mistake in the paperwork. After all, what would someone rather believe, that the paperwork is wrong, or that you are really ageless? On top of that, who actually bothers to look at your birth certificate, and how often? On top of that, the generation of the past that could finger you as one of theirs would already be retired or dead by the time there was any fingering to do. On top of that, there is a chance that someone who does know will gracefully keep their mouth shut, knowing no one would believe them anyway.

But maybe this man was just lucky. Maybe other immortals really do have to do the witness protection program thing.

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posted January 04, 2003 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercury     Edit/Delete Message
I would like to hear how he handled all the legal-paperwork aspect. Why was he not forced to retire?

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posted January 04, 2003 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trippysht     Edit/Delete Message
hehe i always think about "fakes" for people because they're too young, but never because they're too old!!!

grasshopper you sound like me, i celebrate my birthday for like a week, but most of the time, i celebrate on my own!

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posted January 05, 2003 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message

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morgana
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posted January 05, 2003 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks everybody for your feedback!

I saved the web-page in case I someday emmigrate to America...

Somehow I agree with Mercury. I don't see real reason to hide your age unless of course you want to stay mysterious or don't want others to make a fuss over you. But I'm aware that I don't speak from my own experience, so I don't want to make any judgements just now. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

Now, a more important question which occured to me when I finally, after all these years, reread Linda's rules for immortality:

Is it really necessary to follow all 11 rules to the letter? I mean, will the back-spiralling not work if I don't do everything what is described in those rules? For exaple, becoming a vegetarian takes years, so until you become one, the spiraling won't work? Be generous with your money, give birth underwater, find your Twin Self... All those things. Are they rules or just helpful suggestions for achieving the goal faster?

Or, again, it is true that "there are many roads to Rome"?

Happy New Year!!

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posted January 09, 2003 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
Grashopper? Mercury? Randall? Anyone?

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posted January 09, 2003 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Linda's rules are probably the best way for most people. But there are many Paths to Rome.

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posted January 09, 2003 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Morgana I thought you lived in America- where do you live??


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posted January 10, 2003 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, where?

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posted January 10, 2003 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for morgana     Edit/Delete Message
S. (Europe).
(Don't tell me my English is that good, Fajita )

Soooo... To get back on the subject: the cell regeneration will start working now even if I don't follow ALL the rules just yet?

, morgana

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posted January 10, 2003 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
If you beLIeVE it will.

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