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posted January 17, 2004 01:45 PM         

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I'm certain a lot of you are kidding. I,on the other hand,am quite serious about all this and have been sinse I was twelve and first read Star Signs.If there are any among you out there in "Linda Land" who are Absolutely,Positively Immortal,please post something soon or better yet email me at venusinaqua@yahoo.com. P.S. My phony-radar is impeccable.

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posted January 17, 2004 02:12 PM         

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Welcome AquaVenus

We have quite a few immortal knowflakes here

I might add you are posting your e mail at your own risk of trolls.

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posted January 17, 2004 02:17 PM         

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Hi Juniperb.What are "trolls"?

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posted January 17, 2004 03:11 PM         

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Trolls are those who lurk around forums looking to make mischief. Many times it`s in the form of unsolicited porn or spam sent to an unsuspecting address. Sad that there`s folks like that.

On a brighter note , I`m glad you found us and look forward to getting to know you!

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posted January 18, 2004 12:26 PM         

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And don't forget the viruses.

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posted January 18, 2004 01:05 PM         

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Welcome to LindaLand, AquaVenus

What is your radar telling you thus far?

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posted January 19, 2004 12:25 AM         

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look out for my email AquaVenus.

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posted January 19, 2004 10:55 AM         

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YOu must remember AquaVenus, that most true immortals most likely will not openly share their immortal status with just anyone. Too many people would want to poke and prod them try and figure out an acceptable scientific explanation. A large part of the population is not ready to accept the real reason that they can be immortal, they would look for some genetic reason, or dietary reason, which as I understand diet does affect your ability to maintain your immortality, it does not cause you to be immortal. So most true immortals will only be known as such to a small select group of people who are ready to accept such a possibilty and who can be trusted not to draw the wrong kind of attention. And as linda said, often they must take on a new identity to avoid detection.

Besides, if someone were an immortal, how could they prove it to you? Telling things about the past would not work, becasue that type of information can be researched, telling details about someone who they knew in the past would not really work either, especially if it was something that only they and the other person would know because you could not verify that it was true. It would be just as easy to make up a convincing story because you most likely could not verify it anyway, so how would they prove it? The proof would have to come in the form of time, the kind of time which if you are not immortal, you probably do not have. And if you were an immortal, you would likely not need for them to prove it. So the way I see it, you can never really know if anyone is an immortal, with the exception of your own S-elf, though we all have the potential, immortality is a choice we make, just like whether we go to the gym or sleep in, ride a bike or drive a car. Each time that we are presented the choice, we can choose to live or to expire. Even immortals still have the choice, they have just decided to live a few more times than everyone else.

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posted January 19, 2004 06:57 PM         

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I wanted to add on to what grayheart said about "an acceptable scientific explanation" and I wanted to say that there is a scientific explanation for immortality just like there IS a scientific explanation for everything else. Everything is provable by science, but a lot of "current" scientists just have not progressed enough to prove that. The problem is that a lot of times when scientists find the true indicators, they come to an untrue or partially true conclusion about it.

Some of the people who are "psychic" have differences in their brain form and things of that nature, (I have heard); different from the "normal" brain formation. "But look at these people," says the scientist, "they hear voices and they see things that are not there, they are 'schitzophrenic.'" Not bothering to continue research to see if there is anything to what is being claimed. There are people who project things that are in their minds and people who see things that are outside of themselves and many different variations of those things besides.
But I digress a tiny bit.
My point is, that there is a scientific explanation for everything, it is the scientists (not all of them) who don't realize the enormous truth of that statement.

A post for those who might have skimmed over graheart's use of the word "acceptable" (I hope that was not a liberty on my part gray ), AND a support of science in it's pure form as well.

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posted January 19, 2004 09:08 PM         

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Actually silverbells, that is exactly what I meant by acceptable, that it would be an explanation that their limited understanding could deal with without it causing them to rethink some of the mistaken assumptions they have already made, as while scientists claim to be advocates of changing thier thinking, it is amazing how strongly they fight to preserve their theories even if they are flawed in some way. But I do agree that science can explain everything, but our current level of science still need more work before it will understand the truth of immortality

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posted January 20, 2004 10:10 AM         

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So glad you brought up science.I couldn't sleep last night. I was thinking about evolutionary psychology. I had been in Barnes&Noble earlier yesterday reading through some of the more popular titles on the subject. One of these vehemently argued against the "ghost in the machine" theory of human nature. This is the theory that we are all endowed with supreme wills capable of overriding any and all biological factors.This seems to be in keeping with Linda's thesis.I've seen too much to refute it myself. I don't know how it works,but I can confidently say that my will can trump the "laws" of physics. (Darn.Out of space).

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posted January 20, 2004 10:24 AM         

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O.k. I'm not terribly computer literate.Books are my thing. I just figured out how to make extra space and all. Now,where was I...... Oh yeah. See, I don't know how science is going to handle it when the truths laid out in Star Signs are finally made manifest for all to see. It seems to me they're going to have to take a few giant steps back and revamp a lot of what they've always taken for granted.As for the evolutionary psychology bit(a kind of overwrought,outlandish social Darwinism),that stuff is becoming very popular and in the years to come it may prove the chief opponent to our own version of the way things work,that is if our version ever finds a voice in mainstream society or even on the more visible fringe. Maybe it ought not.Maybe we should keep our knowledge to ourselves.

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posted January 20, 2004 10:38 AM         

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Who do you mean by "ourselves"?

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posted January 20, 2004 10:44 AM         

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I mean "ourselves" as in those of us who,say BELIEVE IN IMMORTALITY,THE ABILITY TO MANIPULATE MATTER WITH OUR MINDS,ETC.I mean how many people do you know who wouldn't think you were absolutely bonkers if you openly espoused these views?

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posted January 20, 2004 10:57 AM         

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You see the dilemma now? If you were an immortal would you go telling every person you meet? Or would you instead quitely let them go about their lives and only tell the people who seek out the knowledge? Even if you could do it, would you try to publish a book on how to be immortal? Or would you keep your instructions and only share them with those who you know are ready to put them to use? See some people could handle it, and would be able to do what needs to be done, but others.... let's just say they would try and fail, and then rather than see why they failed, they would blame the person who taught them and attempt to use their failure to cast doubt and negative energy to be directed at the teacher. This would not benefit anyone, because then those who would have benefit from the information now have reason to doubt, and may not be able to do what is needed.

So at least for the time being, the immortals will likely only be know to a select few, and likely will not share openly who there are and how they are able to be as they are. Even thought the information is out there, it is not really followed by the general public.

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posted January 20, 2004 11:03 AM         

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I know what you meant, AquaVenus, I just wanted to point out that you can't delegate or distribute knowledge. It's not for one to keep or not to keep. Those who find it, find it by themselves, not by you telling them about it. So it doesn't really matter if you keep it to yourself or not. That's my point.

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posted January 20, 2004 11:23 AM         

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All well and good,lilith,but I still think we should condider what it might mean to keep our group as exclusive as possible or let everybody in on it.That's why forums like this one are important.Maybe it sounds like the plot of an anime movie,but I think it might be a good idea to form networks to enable us to look out for our interests.Everyone isn't finding out about this and I wonder if we should take measures to ensure that they don't. Knowledge is power after all, and why give that away?

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posted January 20, 2004 11:27 AM         

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I believe quite the contrary: the more people are educated about this, the better. Yes, knowledge is power, but the power of good. Ignorance is the power of evil.
The more you keep something secret, the more confusion it generates, and ignorance creates prejudice and prejudice creates intolerance. And intolerance... well you know the rest.

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posted January 20, 2004 12:31 PM         

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I agree that the people who are ready for the information will have it with or without anyone's help, that is the way it is. Even if the information is right in front of someone it does not even mean that they will choose to partake of it, and that is if they notice it at all. They are probably not ready to have it, for whatever reason.

I think that it is selfish to "keep" information to yourself but it depends on your TRUE motivation, whether it is "elitism" or real concern about whatever concerns you have.

One might say that information should be shared freely to dispel ignorance. What if that ignorance is turned against you and you are commited because "you think that you are an immortal and you are a danger to yourself and others because you have children that you are encouraging in this lifestyle. You, yourself eat nothing but fruits or perhaps eat or drink nothing but water and breath fresh air. And you are witnessed publicly "ranting and raving" (that is what it is called when you are declaring something that people do not agree with) about the fact that you are going to live forever, and so will your children if they choose to." You know what that will get you on the wrong day? A termination of your parental rights and a straight-jacket at the local institution, unless of course you are rich and/or famous and then...you are just eccentric or fascinating.

Has anyone seen the movie Phenomenon with John Travolta? It is not on this exact subject matter but it does deal with the consequences of letting people in on your little secrets when they are not ready. "not ready" (sometimes) = ignorant.
Unless of course you are meant to be a martyr or think that martyrdom will suit you which, sometimes, martyrs do make an enourmous contrbution.

On the other hand, information does need to be shared. Ignorance IS a rocky road. What is the right way to do it? But I guess the people who are ready to get it will get it and the others who are not ready will not or they will persecute the teachers and...... round and round we go.

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posted January 20, 2004 12:42 PM         

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AquaVenus, you're not running out of space when you are posting, just keep typing when you get to the end of the box, it will keep going. Look how much longer mine are than yours and I did not run out of space.

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posted January 20, 2004 12:58 PM         

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Never lie about your immortality ... but don't brag about it. Honestly it seldom comes up.

When it does, simply stand out of their light as they take themselves out of Plato's cave.

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posted January 20, 2004 03:15 PM         

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The reaction from others is one of the reasons I think is is practically impossible to be open about these things.Still another reason is that mastery of immortality,etc.may well afford us undreamed of privleges provided we are not placed on an equal footing with everyone else;such is the way with privlege.Surely you're not naive to think that were everyone aware of these things there would no longer be competition on earth...

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posted January 21, 2004 12:07 AM         

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Oh, I don't know, the things that are require and the attitude it takes to be immortal kind of makes you think, the mindset that can achieve immortality is not one that lends itself to selfish acts it is one that leans towards helping and truth and the idea that you have to give to receive, not the other way around, I think that if everyone were immortal people would be still be competative, but not in a cut throat way like they are now, but more like a group that is competing but is just as likely to help each other as themselves.

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posted January 22, 2004 01:12 PM         

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We would definitely take better care of the Earth, since we would have to keep living here, instead of pawning off problems to future generations.

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posted January 22, 2004 03:29 PM         

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Oops.My last post on this topic was full of typos.Still,I got my message accross,so no need for a formal revision. We were on the subject of privilege,I believe. I've got to say I'm a little disappointed in the turnout so far-for this topic I mean.I've not come off with what I came for.I have some questions I'd like to pose to an actual immortal,mostly of the practical sort.If any immortals are out there,I promise I won't pry too much or implore you to prove yourself.I just want to ask a few harmless questions. P.S.Don't get me wrong;the discussion has been engrossing and you're all a lot of wits.It's just that my questions remain for the most part unanswered.

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