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juniperb
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posted February 20, 2005 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, yes, This must be why "creating my own reality " is the mantra

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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26taurus
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posted February 20, 2005 09:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was a nice stab Juni. Jesus would be proud.

It gets better everyday. I think you would agree that life has it's ups and downs.

I guess you dont find any truth at all, in what I said then?

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juniperb
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posted February 20, 2005 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It`s commonly accepted that Jesus was above the ego bugaboo "pride"... yes?

Blessings,

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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot

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26taurus
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posted February 20, 2005 09:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm choosing not to play into this.

Peace.

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TINK
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posted February 20, 2005 09:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we could use a little clarity too.

I did not claim to feel sickened by anything. I observed that something was pretty freakin' sick.

I will not go so far as to claim I know what Jesus might feel about you or me or this thread, or the entire site for that matter. Maybe He too thinks "blood-drenched thumbs-up" and mentos jokes are fun, maybe he doesn't. I'd maybe hazard a guess that He's a big enough Spirit to rise above a few tasteless jokes at His expense and I don't suppose Fire and Brimstone will rain down upon us all because of them. At His feet they gambled over his cloak, fed Him vinegar and laughed themselves silly. I don't recall Him saying or doing anything vengeful about that, so why now? As you said, and rightly so, there are much worse things. But I know what I think. And now you do too.

Speaking of old threads ... "I try to call on God, my angels for help but it seems to go unanswered."

I was thinking about this recent quote as I read this thread.

Peace, friend

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26taurus
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posted February 20, 2005 10:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Tink. Now we know. You may not "claim to know what Jesus might feel about you". But I did and I do know how he feels about me.

And I'd like to thank you both for bringing up the hard time I am having in my life right now and using it against me. I find it very interesting that you did.

I never expected a sarcastic comment on my "mantra" from you Juni. Or that you would take a dig at the things I believe in and work at everyday. Like I have mentioned many times, I am not perfect, I do not know everything. But I am trying to live the best I know how, to try to better my life. I was having a down period, and still am to a certain degree. I am going through a really hard time as you know because you commented to me in that thread. You seemed to care but I guess not. It's nice to know your real thoughts on my situation. And that you could make fun of me here.

Yes, in a completely different thread I said my reply to juniperb telling me to just call on angels or God, I did say that "calls do seem to go unanswered sometimes", TINK. Yet, deep down I know they are not. It is only me blocking or not seeing that God is always everywhere all around us at all times. At some points in life it can be hard to remember that. It's really all a matter of perspective and I happened to be having a rough couple of days. I'm doing better now. Thank you for bringing it all back up.

It's nice to know that you read that I was going through a rough time and choose to use it in a negative way towards me instead of maybe offering some kind words when you read it at that time.

I'm really shocked that both of you are using a rough time in my life to take stabs at me.

Sorry, my thoughts or actions on this thread offended you in some way. They werent done with the intentions of upsetting either of you. Unfortunately, your comments here, have hurt me. Though I'm trying my best not to let them, I'm human. Sometimes I lose sight of the things I believe in. I have not yet learned to fully "create my reality" as I see fit yet Juni. But I try.


Rarely have I ever called out for a sympathetic ear on this site. Now the one time I did, somewhere where it wouldnt get too noticed, I wish I hadnt. I support and send love to alot of people here, it's too bad that when I needed it people were really just reading and in a way laughing to themselves.

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TINK
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posted February 20, 2005 10:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why would any of this hurt your feelings?
I'm not taking stabs at you, 26. I'm sorry you choose to see it that way. I read that first quote - the whole post really - with a heavy heart. And, honestly, I couldn't think of a damn thing to say. I sometimes wish I was the sort of person who knew how to say something warm and fuzzy when someone is feeling down. But I'm not - at least at present. I don't ask for or need warm and fuzzy so maybe its just a case of not being familiar with the subject. But I would NEVER laugh or make jokes at anyone in a difficult circumstance.
At any rate, it wasn't used in a negative way or with negative intent - quite the opposite really. I'm sincerely sorry you saw it in a negative light. I'll try harder next time to get my point across in a more gentle fashion. Sometimes I can be a bit rough.

Jesus was human too.

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Philbird
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posted February 20, 2005 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never slighted Jesus for anything he did or said. If photography existed in his time no one would have to wonder what he looked like while eating his favorite snack food. Painters weren't concerned about everyday stuff, therefore your imagination has been limited by images of crucifixtions and ****** . Why waste paint on the mondane? My photo has been taken with a diaper on, me eating my favorite snack food, me on a set of uneven parallel bars, and even me being altered. Am I offended? No. I have an imagination and a sense of humor. Jesus was human, I'm sure he had a sense of humor too.

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26taurus
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posted February 20, 2005 10:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like I said above Tink:

Unfortunately, your comments here, have hurt me. Though I'm trying my best not to let them, I'm human.

Meaning I'm trying to CHOOSE to see it a certain way but once again I'm only human. And things are clear.

No, Tink. I dont want you to try to do anything for me. Dont change your ways for anyone.

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TINK
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posted February 20, 2005 10:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're trying to choose to see it in a certain way?
Now who's changing their ways?
See it the way you see it. Why make excuses? Why feel bad? If it makes you feel bad, figure out why. What good does it do to sweep your emotions under the rug?

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26taurus
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posted February 20, 2005 11:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have figured out why. And the reason I am sad is not because of anything that I have said here.

I am not sweeping emotions under the rug. That is exactly what I am not doing. I am "seeing it the way I see it".

The way I am seeing things right now is through my heart. Also my head, but more my heart. That is why I am hurt.

Don't worry. I get over things quickly.

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TINK
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posted February 20, 2005 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why are you hurt? Why would any of this make you sad? What is your heart seeing?

You said you were choosing to see things in a certain way. I don't understand this method. Perspective can't be changed by sheer will.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 21, 2005 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really?
All this?
Honestly, very unexpected.
I know we are all good people here, I am sorry that you took offense because we found pictures that are ridiculous and decided to post them... but that is why.. they are ridiculous!!!
Of course they are ludicrous, it is the silliness that makes them funny.. there's no Jesus bashing... Every time I mentioned Jesus, I did it with a capital J. I referenced the silliness of those pics, ... I wonder back when we had the original string, why nothing of offense was mentioned there. I am sorry if this was offensive, to two peope who frankly, I admire and respect. It makes me sad that you choose to see our words in such a light... I felt no judgements when involved in the original string. I feel no judgements from God. He knows we are not full of hate, but tickling a funny bone.
It is a really simple thing, and it shouldn't be blown all out of proportion.
You know we have good hearts, you have both told me yourselves.....
So how could you think this was born of hate????????
God made us to experience things. Should I be labelled a bad person or a sad person because I find the image of a wonderful Saintly being who creates love in millions, in a completely ludicrous situation, funny?
Well, It is funny!!!
Because it is silly.
Silly=Not Serious.
There ARE better things to be concerned about.

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted February 21, 2005 01:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
UT OH!! Looks like Lindaland has 2 cases of vigilantes, it's the Jesus police! Everyone run!!!

p.s. personal shots, like the ones tossed at 26T who was only defending the fun of the thread, are totally signs of the weak. Too bad you guys can't keep quotes that exist in other threads stay in those threads, instead you use them out of context to state some imaginary point.

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Danny
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posted February 21, 2005 04:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, I hope I'm not butting in. I am yet to figure out the chat-tiqutte.
But this is a subject that divides my family up in half. Half of them being devout, born-again Christians who would die for Christ. The other half, fanatical Moslems who believe in Jihad: Holy War!

Christ, as well as Buddha, Ghandi even, were all enlightened guys; kinda like Neo in the Matrix. These guys are representatives, symbols of light for humanity.

Before Jesus, there wasnt Christianity, before Buddha, no Buddhism. Some people choose to place everything on symbols, ie the church or the mosque. I dont. I respect people who do. I respect people who stand up for their beliefs. Even though I was born a Moslem, I dont walk that way. I am happy to say my parents are Moslems and I admire the way they dedicate themselves to praying five times a day facing a particular way. Something which may seem completely ludicrous to some. All I'm saying is if people believe in icons then they are right to defend it. Those who dont also have a right to say. We should all agree to disagree.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 21, 2005 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just in case anyone is unclear, the image of a crucified Jesus holding a pack of mentos, and giving the thumbs up to Peter, was MEANT to be ironic.

To Explain:

As firmly as Jesus clung to virtue,
he was exceedingly understanding and tolerant of the infirmities of sinners. There is no contradiction here. Rather, Jesus taught that tolerance and understanding are the very heart of virtue.

Jesus told Peter, "the rock", that he would deny him three times before the next dawn. Peter swore he would never deny his lord. (What Jesus had told him, he didnt believe.)Still, Christ had infinite compassion for him and his lack of faith.

The story of Peter meeting Jesus on the way to Rome is from the book of Acts. The story itself illustrates the fact that Jesus was willing to be crucified for Peter's sin; his affliction, lack of faith.

The story has Peter following Christ, eventually. But, the point is not that he followed him. The point is that it was Peter's choice, either to follow Jesus, or sit by and watch him die.

My reworking of the story has Jesus basically smiling on the cross. This is INTENDED to look amiss. The fact that Jesus does not appear to be experiencing genuine pain in association with the cross, represents Peter's lack of conscience, or empathy for Christ's suffering. Peter is happily ignorant - he "knows not what he does". Although he is looking squarely at a crucified Jesus, dying for his sins, - so that he can take bong hits, of all things, - Peter does not really know what he is doing, because he does not EMPATHIZE with Christ. He sees the cross, the nails, the blood, but he thinks that all is well. In fact, he even seems to believe that Christ's compassion for him increases with every successive hit he takes.
And maybe it does.

Maybe that's the secret.
Christ's love fills you until you are overflowing.

My parable shows Jesus, not as he is, but, as an unrepentant sinner might see him. Peter was not receiving Christ's love, because he was not mindful of the true Christ. He had eyes, but he could not see. Hence, the Christ he "sees" is an imagined Christ, a deception. This is because he was not fully turned to Christ. He hands were busy with the devil's work.

That is the illusion, and its absurdity, that I wanted to evoke...

But did Jesus himself have a dark sense of humor? Did he have a sense of humor about sin? I'd say so.

"Whoever among you is without sin.
Let him cast the first stone."

Do you think he was serious, when he suggested that a man without sin would cast stones? Clearly he was being ironic, for he himself cast no stone.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted February 21, 2005 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is nothing inherently sinful.
But, whatever a person thinks is sinful,
becomes sinful for them.
(Rom. 14:14)

Let everyone be persuaded in their own mind.
(Rom 14:50)

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juniperb
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posted February 21, 2005 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
26, it grieves me you see a stab reflecting in the Mirror. None was given or ment.

My statement simply and purely ment if we create our own reality; we must live with it... Truths/illusions/delusions/good/bad, whichever, we create it to represent ourselves.

We just need to keep polishing our Mirrors and journeying on in our Earth school

Blessings,

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pixelpixie
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posted February 21, 2005 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How can someone's judgements be reflected in my mirror?

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Philbird
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posted February 21, 2005 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
UH,OHHHHH...
May I see the front?

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virgotaurustaurus
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posted February 21, 2005 01:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I wouldn't get in trouble for showing the front here, would I?

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posted February 21, 2005 02:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juniperb, I'm not stupid. Neither are you. You know exactly how each of your - yes, "simple" - but not "pure" posts were meant.

There is no dirty mirror or confusion here. Do not even go there.

You are "representing yourself" here. Not me. And it's clear for those who Know to see.

Didnt you recently tell me privately to "Listen to my Elf" as I've "been spot on to date." Or did you not mean that either?

As always, I am listening. I dont like what I hear. I am also still spot on. And that isnt my "bugaboo ego" or "pride" talking.

I know myself VERY well. And I dont take kindly to people thinking they can confuse me and turn things around. I see right through bull-**** . Even my own. That's what makes life even tougher sometimes. My Vision and my Voice are clear.

It's funny how you just happened to show up in this thread. I dont deal well with people who act nice to your face and whisper when you turn around. And then try to make you think your mirror needs polishing. That doesnt work or sit well with me. The attempts to do so are all over this page. There is alot I am sensing going on under the "surface" here.

Sure, maybe I did "create" all of this. To prove what I already suspected? To learn to listen to my gut a little more? I'm sure there are many reasons for this coming to light. But the best one may be that I'm done with this place.

Peace all.

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pixelpixie
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posted February 21, 2005 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But the best one may be that I'm done with this place.

26........ don't move a muscle.
Stay right here.
I understand you.
If you leave this place won't be home any longer.

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