posted February 01, 2007 12:51 AM         

The United States of America

is the only country with a
2 sided seal...
they are one the one dollar bill

the The Great Pyramid of Giza with the Eye of Horus
and the otherside has as Eagle..with many special features..(read in Star Signs)

this country was founded on very strong principles

and one of them is...

United, Under God. ...

ALL, the World United... .

posted February 01, 2007 01:03 AM         

This country was founded by the Native Americans who were massacred and driven out of their lands by the British that you say FOUNDED this country. They did not.

posted February 01, 2007 01:22 AM         

Great Spirit

Father Sky and MOther Earth
and when the first pilgrims came
they lived in Peace and Harmony
signified by

posted February 01, 2007 01:23 AM         

I just wanted to express some compassion for some of my fellow human beings. I didn't want that show of compassion trampled over by a metric ton of ideological BS. If I had, I would posted this in GU.

BTW pidaua - I'm one of those "leftist wacknuts" you're referring to. I'm not pro-military by a long shot - I just feel an obligation as an human being to give a crap about other people simply because they are human beings too. And since I profess to be a Christain too, and these people are my neighbors, regardless of our ideological differences, I have a Chrisitan obligation to be compassionate towards them.

posted February 01, 2007 02:36 AM         

My thoughts and prayers are with the families, friends and those soldiers that have lost their lives or been maimed for life due to this war. It must be very hard for you living in a military town and seeing it on a daily basis. I understand why you feel as you do about the war and why you are tired of it.

posted February 01, 2007 09:22 AM         

I personally apologize for my part in this. I understand that you only wanted to express compassion for everyone who has to suffer in this war (troops and families included)I won't post anymore in this thread....I made a big mistake in continuing this back-and-forth thing.

posted February 01, 2007 12:09 PM         

If you took the time to read my posts I acknowledged why you started this thread and I stood behind your reason. It turned political BEFORE jhwop or I even came on the scene.

What is incredibly hypocritical is that when people posted on here against the war, against the US and against our government, that was okay and not considered "political" when others, like myself, posted in defense of America (not one of us said "YAY War is FUN") then people started to get all irate.

So is it non-political to bash on the US and our policies but it IS political when we defend our country?

That doesn't make sense to me.

DL,

Standing up for my ethnicity is the proper thing to do and I would do that for anyone, even those that I don't care for the least. It is our basic duty as human beings to provide protection for basic human rights. I may not like SweetStars and she knows it, but I would defend her race until the end.

posted February 01, 2007 12:32 PM         

the soldiers who lay down thier lives for us without even ever knowing us .

my salute to countless soldiers be it indian or american or arabian .

posted February 01, 2007 01:17 PM         

That's why you state your peace and say, cool...
Because those right wing radicals, man...
They can't hear a thing.

But you know what, thumbs up to you for trying.

I wonder what makes them, the way they are. (like I don't know, I do).

It'll be a very interesting study to say them at least. To ignore the organic. Like, if you tell the truth, then you are anti-American. That's crazy. Our existence as Americans is so complex. I'm pretty happy to be an American woman. We can aspire to be pretty powerful here. But believe me, not one person in my unit in Saudi wanted to be there. And I'm betting that's still widespread amongst the soldiers and marines today. So, each and every time I hear one has expired, my heart just turns into knots. And I get ****** !

I often think about the ride to the Middle East. If only the faces of the soldiers can morph into death before they arrive. To know PFC Joe, you're going to die by the hand of a suicide bomber at the guard check point. PFC Jane, they're gonna get yours when they bomb the messhall. Or you SPC Doe, they'll get you and the other 15 of you in a roadside bomb. And with the souls sucked out of your body, we here in America will still live as we were before 9/11 before the Iraq invasion and occupation. Basically our borders not protected.

I do agree with one thing... Without Sadaam there keeping the insurgents in line, I can't see the beginning of a stable Iraq without UAN influence. Because it takes an Islamic kind of government to get an Islamic kind of nation back to order. Period. Those people will NEVER, EVER accept our kind of democracy. And why should they?

And also, let me just say, as a soldier, our rules of engagment SUCK! You better believe that the insurgents have no rules of engagement. If we're going to start taking over oil fields in the middle east via the US military, then they need to throw out the rules of engagement manual. I think that's why soldiers are dying en masse. It needs to be gorilla warfare versus gorilla warfare. We know how to do it in those untelevised, low key scuffles. I ran into a few Marines and Army Grunts, who still have PTS from those sorts of unclassified scuffles. And they kicked BUTT!

But I don't know. I am always on the side of the soldiers and Marines. The real ones, the silent majority. And they're are just trying to stay alive, come home and forget they were used as mercenaries. It's a terrible existence. Reality. And may God be with them. Because if it weren't for the jhowp's (those red blooed Americans who support the war from their dang on SOFA'S!!! Unlce Sam will take you too and let yo go over to do the "good work"), and the sort, they wouldn't be over there in the first place. Or still. It'll take dissent to save their lives. And agreeance to keep them dying. But when I look at the polls, I feel hopeful, because the American people as a whole have spoken in the last election. GET OUT. And we're not playing. GET OUT. Bush even tried to come back with another plea but all we can say is, GET OUT. NOW. The jig is up. We know, there were no weapons of mass destruction. But there were our weapons there! LOL. And, plenty of oil fields that their coroporation wanted control of. THE JIG IS UP. GET OUT. Save lives. And I know thousands of Iraqi citizens have died. We hear in America, have no idea how it feels, the existence of, having your home rocked by missiles. The ground shaking. The VIOLENT Bursting in the sky. The city alarms sounding. NBC alarms going off. AND wondering, were do we take cover, and if we can take cover. Because you feel helpless. Like there's no where to hide. I've seen male soldiers go temporarily blind. One liuetenant hid on the table so fast, it was like a disappearing act. It was crazy. Now, imagine that being your home? Wow.

So, GN, really, don't worry. You know those who use all their rhetoric to prove a point. On this day, and that day, and Hitler, and so forth, are doing so because they need to convince themselves. They don't want to be convinced by the organic. The, I saw. I experienced. Look at me, I am. And, often, I wonder why that doesn't do it.

posted February 01, 2007 01:36 PM         

I think you have us all wrong. You can call us radicals all you want, but many of us are close to the Military. Not one of us said we want to see our Soldiers die. Not one of us said we love war. If we support the war we are called war lovers. It goes both ways. Each side sees the other as close-minded and devoid of the ability to know the truth.

You have your truth and I have mine. I also wonder how in the world people that share your version of the truth don't understand the real truth. LOL... 9-11 was simply blamed on our US government by the same consipracy theorists that believe to support a war on terror is to call for the deaths of our Soldiers.

I do NOT know one Soldier that WANTS to be at war and potential die. I also DO NOT KNOW one COP that wants to go to a shoot out and get killed.

A Soldier goes to conflicts and a cop or fire fighter battles crisis on a daily basis and thus putting their lives at risk. I don't see the hue and cry going up to stop police officers and fire fighters from putting their selves at risk.

This is all political crap and it is getting tiring. The same people that say they don't want to see Soldiers die overseas call for the deaths of Republicans and Bush. Hell, SS just admitted that she would like to see several of us kill ourselves because we support the war.

What bothers me the most is this quote from you "So, each and every time I hear one has expired, my heart just turns into knots. "

posted February 01, 2007 01:47 PM         

quote:

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I'm pretty happy to be an American woman. We can aspire to be pretty powerful here

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And good for you, Nautral111! I have absolutely no problem with that. I would actually be weirded out if you didn't have any national pride.

posted February 01, 2007 02:49 PM         

However, I logged back on, before my waxing (OUCH) to say, my friend JUST got back to me. We were like tweedle dee and tweedle dum of DETAIL!!!! Like, whenever one came up, our names went out first. Geesh.

Anyway, I was bit concerned. I mean, was it Iraq where we guarded those missiles? So, she calls me back, after what 3 days!!! I think. And says, hell no, "A" (she still calls me by my last name, go figure). They had are a*** in Kuwait! And then reminisced about the junk for a few. Crazy times. So, I stand corrected, it wasn't Iraq.

posted February 01, 2007 05:53 PM         

But....

Personally, you ****** me off. But I could've gone there with you, BUT, I realize that I've always liked you. I learned a lot from your stories. And from what I see, you've gone off on others that probably, liked you until you said something to them offensive, probably out of the moment. So, I decided not to go there, so I can remember the Pid, that I like.

Just remember, we're human beings on the other side of the computer. You can't just attack people that you've indulged in good discussions with. You don't have to! You can just talk to us. Ask, what did you mean? or something.

And alas, my Gemini Moon, takes me through all sorts of passions. So, that's why I get it. But I've looked soliders in the face, eye to eye and to suggest that I'm calling soldiers a "nothing" is just you being combative for the sake of it, because there's nothing inidcative in my last post that would suggest that. NOTHING. Which really threw me off. It's like, geesh, is this the same person that wrote that beautiful detailed story about how she met her husband? Wow.

And this leads me to a deeper apology to Jwhop in particular. Because I said some harsh things to him or her. Out of passion. Called him or her "ignorant". I do apologize. And I ended up being the one wrong. For so long I thought it was Iraq. But I was so ****** , that I actually called my friend, that's a great thing that came out of the whole Saudi experience, I made friends for life. So, I do apologize. I could've swore the talk around camp was that we were in Iraq. But she said, nope it was Kuwait. We even had a brief argument about it. Crazy.

But I still feel the same way about the war. Our weapons in Iraq or not.

A part of me still believes we were on the outskirts of Iraq. BUT, hey, they told us Kuwait.

posted February 01, 2007 06:20 PM         

I am not concerned with people that hate me or not. I do not lose sleep because I spoke the Truth and someone now thinks I am a mean evil person. I do realize there is someone on the other end of the computer BUT I will not sit back and allow that which I believe in to be attacked as well as myself without saying something. I will not sit back and have people bash on the US time and time again and keep my mouth shut.

It is not that people are against war. I understand 100% where GN is coming from, it is the subsequent and constant BS that is thrown at our Country and our people. That makes me sick. Simply stating this war sucks or that it is for oil is one thing- carrying on that WE were actually responsible for 9-11 and the destruction of every 3rd world country that has a problem is starting to get old.

Although I took offense to what you said, I did not take offense at YOU. That is the difference. I respect that you were a Soldier but I have the right to express my opinion (as do others here)when I feel something is said in a manner that causes me to cringe.

posted February 01, 2007 06:32 PM         

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Anti-Americanism Is Racist Envy
Paul Johnson, 07.21.03, 12:00 AM ET
Anti-Americanism is the prevailing disease of intellectuals today. Like other diseases, it doesn't have to be logical or rational. But, like other diseases, it has a syndrome--a concurrent set of underlying symptoms that are also causes.

• First, an unadmitted contempt for democracy. The U.S. is the world's most successful democracy. The right of voters to elect more than 80,000 public officials, the length and thoroughness of electoral campaigns, the pervasiveness of the media and the almost daily reports by opinion polls ensure that government and electorate do not diverge for long and that Washington generally reflects the majority opinion in its actions.

It is this feature that intellectuals--especially in Europe--find embittering. They know they must genuflect to democracy as a system. They cannot openly admit that an entire people--especially one comprising nearly 300 million, who enjoy all the freedoms--can be mistaken. But in their hearts these intellectuals do not accept the principle of one person, one vote. They scornfully, if privately, reject the notion that a farmer in Kansas, a miner in Pennsylvania or an auto assembler in Michigan can carry as much social and moral weight as they do. In fact, they have a special derogatory word for anyone who acts on this assumption: "populist." A populist is someone who accepts the people's verdict, even--and especially--when it runs counter to the intellectual consensus (as with capital punishment, for example). In the jargon of intellectual persiflage, populism is almost as bad as fascism--indeed, it's a step toward it. Hence, the argument goes, the U.S. is not so much an "educated democracy" as it is a media-swayed and interest-group-controlled populist regime.

The truth is, on the European Continent there is little experience of working democracy. Italy and Germany have had democracy only since the late 1940s; Spain, since the 1960s. France is not a democracy; it is a republic run by bureaucratic and party elites, whose errors are dealt with by strikes, street riots and blockades instead of by votes. Elements of the French system are being imposed throughout the EU, even in countries such as Denmark and Sweden that have long practiced democracy with success. In a French-style pseudodemocracy, intellectuals have considerable influence, at both government and street levels. In a true democracy, intellectuals are no more powerful than their arguments.

• Second, anti-Americanism is a function of cultural racism. An astonishingly high proportion of European elites know very little about U.S. history or culture and even deny that they have a separate existence apart from their European roots. It is strange that those seeking to bring about a European federal state or union have at no stage sought to study the lessons Americans learned during the creation of the U.S. in the 1780s. After all, the U.S. Constitution (suitably amended) has lasted for more than 200 years, and within its framework the country has emerged as the richest and most powerful society in world history. You might think, therefore, that European elites would seek to learn something from such a successful process. Not at all: The view is that sophisticated, civilized Europe has nothing to learn from "adolescent" America. What these Euro-elites particularly abhor is the way in which the framers of the Constitution made every effort to involve the population through the process of public debates, town meetings and ratification votes--and this at a time when Europe was still governed (for the most part) by the absolute sovereigns of the ancien régime.

This cultural racism is particularly directed at the supposedly "know-nothing" President George W. Bush and his "gung ho" Texas background. The European intelligentsia gets its notion of America chiefly from Hollywood, TV soaps like Dallas and fiction. Few of them have any experience of America, outside of three or four big cities. Middle America is unexplored territory. The fact that the U.S. has proved a highly efficient crucible for melding different peoples into a human sum greater than its constituent parts is seen as a misfortune in Europe because it produces a cultural stew that lacks purity of any kind and is therefore at the mercy of commercial forces.

• Third, European elites tend to look at Americans as a subcivilized mass, whose function is to be obedient consumers in a system run by big business. The role of competition in U.S. economic life--and in every other aspect of life--is ignored, because competition is something Continental Europeans like to keep to a minimum and under careful control.

Although Americans are seen as highly materialistic consumers, they are also despised and feared for their spiritual interests, their participation in religious worship and their subscription to creeds of morality. Europeans see no inconsistency in their condemnation of the U.S. for being at one and the same time paganly unethical and morally zealous.

The truth is, any accusation that comes to hand is used without scruple by the Old World intelligentsia. Anti-Americanism is factually absurd, contradictory, racist, crude, childish, self-defeating and, at bottom, nonsensical. It is based on the powerful but irrational impulse of envy--an envy of American wealth, power, success and determination. It is an envy made all the more poisonous because of a fearful European conviction that America's strength is rising while Europe's is falling.

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Neptune, thank you for posting this

posted February 01, 2007 06:45 PM         

Wow.

I'm through.

posted February 01, 2007 07:43 PM         

quote:

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This country was founded by the Native Americans who were massacred and driven out of their lands by the British that you say FOUNDED this country.

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posted February 01, 2007 11:38 PM         

The former Shah was seen by the allies as a possible collaborator with Hitler even though he had declared Iran neutral in WWII.

The allies more or less forced him..Reza Shah Pahlavi to abdicate.

You had suggested the former Shah was closer to the bloodline...yours?

When Reza Shah Pahlavi abdicated, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, became Shah of Iran...his son.