posted February 02, 2007 05:20 AM         

"You had suggested the former Shah was closer to the bloodline...yours?" - this is what I have been told.

I'll verify this wth my brother.

"With the involvement of the British Empire and through the office of General Edmund Ironside Reza came to power in the 1920s. The popular view that the British were involved in the 1921 coup was noted as early as March 1921 by the American embassy and relayed to the Iran desk at the Foreign Office [3] A British Embassy report from 1932 concedes that the British put Reza Shah "on the throne".

So, in fact, it was the chap before him, I was a generation out. He was the first Shah of the Pahlavi dynasty which branched off from the family.

But, there is a LOT of bitterness in the family and I know they can be prone to seeing a rather "slim" perspective on events.

The anymosity from them when discussing this is always aimed squarely at Britain first (as you suggest) and the U.S.

In fact many believe the last Shah was ousted because he was a puppet of the West. There is of course always more to it, but I'm fairly isolated from the family in the UK (my brothers, sisters and father are in the US) so I only hear tidbits.

Hence the gentle approach rather than a declaration of truth

I'll have a chat with my brother who served in the US MP's and is now a cop in San Fran. He's clued up, and I'll let you know what he says.

I've actually been terribly negligent in learning about my own past. I'll post a new thread in Global Unity out of respect for GN who I think has had enough of this thread.

I'll be more than happy to discuss this with you over there. My brother is very patriotic to the US as you can imagine, but also has delved into our family's past for all the facts.

So pull your teeth back in and let me see what I can come up with for you.

posted February 02, 2007 10:28 AM         

I was curious about your statement the former Shah was closer to the family bloodline and wasn't sure if you meant yours or the Pahlavi family.

I already knew the last Shah was the son of Reza so it seemed neither one was closer and both were mainline...at least it seemed that way to me.

Any time there's a sudden change at the top of a government, there are those who blame the CIA. At the time the former Shaw abdicated, there was no CIA.

I'm not at all concerned about posting political information or comments to this thread.

The very first opening post was a political statement to the core.

"The president wants to send more soldiers over there."

So more will get killed. Or come back with traumatic brain injuries, or amputations, or PTSD."

The President stays up late planing all the ways he can get US military personnel killed, mentally incapacitated, disfigured or otherwise injured.

"Or simply come back to crappy VA benefits, low paying jobs and unemployment. Around here, that means a lot of them will be coming back to alcohol, drugs and gangs.
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Or, in the alternative, those who manage to survive the gauntlet of death or injury the President has meticulously arranged for them..get to come back to low paying jobs...because those are the only kind of jobs military personnel can do or they're all alcoholics, drug addicted or gangbangers..in other words, US military forces are losers. John Kerry said they are and that seems to be GN's opinion as well.

BTW, Pid has punctured that profile of US military personnel several times. They're better educated, with better prospects, more highly trained, more have college degrees, etc., than the average American. Further our military come from all stratas of American society...not at all drawn from the ranks of those whom leftists would say have no prospects, no hope, no opportunity, no skills and no other options..other than joining the military.

"I know it doesn't need to be said - I just feel like saying it."

Right you were. It didn't need to be said..you just felt like saying it.

Lies don't need to be said or spread anywhere...under the cover of compassion or otherwise.

This was not the forum for a political discussion but you got one because you started one.

posted February 02, 2007 02:03 PM         

I'd still be interested to discuss this with you as I think I myself would learn something from it.

I actually feel guilty about being so clueless on the matter!

I get lost in the political detail on GU but it's a good old feisty argument I see lol

Chat soon,

posted February 02, 2007 02:37 PM         

"Or simply come back to crappy VA benefits, low paying jobs and unemployment. Around here, that means a lot of them will be coming back to alcohol, drugs and gangs.
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Or, in the alternative, those who manage to survive the gauntlet of death or injury the President has meticulously arranged for them..get to come back to low paying jobs...because those are the only kind of jobs military personnel can do or they're all alcoholics, drug addicted or gangbangers..in other words, US military forces are losers. John Kerry said they are and that seems to be GN's opinion as well.

BTW, Pid has punctured that profile of US military personnel several times. They're better educated, with better prospects, more highly trained, more have college degrees, etc., than the average American. Further our military come from all stratas of American society...not at all drawn from the ranks of those whom leftists would say have no prospects, no hope, no opportunity, no skills and no other options..other than joining the military."

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Thank you jwhop for putting up the post about the Military Personnel. If anyone needs for me to repost the stats, I'll be happy to do it.

How many times do we have to show proof to counter the distortion that the men and woman in the Military are just a bunch of country bumpkins, poor, uneducated or from gang infested areas?

How is it this thread took a political turn, which we (the conservatives) then posted on with facts, only to have the same people that made it political get angry and tell us to stop?

Are we not yet getting tired of the leftest mantra of "We must do this and that" but once we asked then to provide facts, a back up plan or anything else substantial we are told to shut up, go away or called war mongers.

Once again.... a person that joins and successfully is discharged from the Military (be it 4 years or 20 years) has a MUCH higher chance of getting a college degree and earning more than someone from his or her same town/ ract / economic background.

posted February 02, 2007 03:28 PM         

LOL.. you are not a leftest dingbat or wacko in any way, shape or form. Each political party has a wacko contingency. They are the ones that can't even listen to the other side, they preach without facts and so on...

I love people that are different than I am and I live in a very liberal area of SE Arizona. In fact, for a conservative county, they have name my city "A liberal oasis in the middle of a conservative desert". LOL....

Thank you so much for your warm words about Bear and the family as well as for the Military. I think we can all agree on how are hearts break when Soldiers die, we just disagree on what to do with this conflict.

posted February 02, 2007 04:16 PM         

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Also wanted to say that I feel for you and what you go through, worrying for your Bear, and others in your community.

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MM,

If she actually cared she wouldn't be agressively and yes I say agressively defending this war and saying it is right.

Just look through her old posts all these years in GN.

The woman is for the war and for the government who creates this war.

She jumps at anyone who even disagrees with it so I'm not sure why you would say she feels bad for them.

It's one thing to worry about people who are fighting a war but to agree they should be there and agree with many more being sent..........well that just proves she's fake and she's lying when she claims she cares.

And don't come in here getting all mad Pidua.

Anyone who posts in GN should know you agree with it and support the administration. So don't come in here changing your story.

I have seen you post for years so I know.

posted February 02, 2007 05:04 PM         

Yes, I support the war. I have never gone back on that. How does supporting a war somehow mean I want to see people murdered?

I think you have deep-seated issues that you need to address. I also have never posted in something called "GN" but I do post in "GU- Global Unity". I'm sorry you can't seem to get a handle on your hysterics and it clouds your comprehension, but maybe you should read my posts more thoroughly and then you'd get a clue.

PS.... TP / SS- almost every knowflake here that has been here for awhile knows my positions and knows I don't back off from what I believe in. If I felt facts supported a different stance, I would admit it and support it.

That is the difference between you and I (well, and of course I am leaps and bounds above your intellect). LMAO.....

What's the matter... having problems keeping shopping cart man at home? He wouldn't be a scorp by chance would he?

posted February 02, 2007 05:48 PM         

Lying about the government, about the government's motives, lying about the President, the President's motives, lying about our military service men and woman, lying about their motives, actions and intelligence is the hallmark of the American political left.

Facts don't support their positions or yours TP but your allegations say a lot about the twisted, distorted fantasy land in which you wallow.

posted February 02, 2007 06:55 PM         

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Oh, and what's with random people starting some crap with Swerve???....

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Let me get one thing straight:

WOMAN, I did not start anything with Swerve, HE came at ME with this psychoanalogical mess as if I was dying to be evaluated.

posted February 02, 2007 11:33 PM         

Born Under Discouri,

I find it very offensive what you erronously stated about the Native American people. You need to go do some research and get educated before you speak instead of spouting off on a subject that you are obviously very ill informed about.

Especially since you can't even distinguish Eric the Red from Leif Erikson.

posted February 02, 2007 11:48 PM         

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Lying about the government, about the government's motives, lying about the President, the President's motives, lying about our military service men and woman, lying about their motives, actions and intelligence is the hallmark of the American political left.

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Well, since Bush, Condeleeza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Colin Powell, to name but a few from the Republican political right, lied about the motives for the Iraq war in the first place it seems obvious that the American political left does not hold the monopoly on lying. Seems that lying about their motives, actions and intelligence is also the hallmark of the American Republican right.

posted February 03, 2007 12:33 AM         

I have always supplied information that backs up what I say at GU, Jwhop and you know that. Problem is you ask us to post our sources but when we do you always come back and say it is just leftist propaganda. While at the same time posting only right propaganda as your sources.

Speaking of manners, Born Under Discouri, you could use a refresher course yourself from what I have seen here and at GU. If in your assessement I lack manners then I would say that pretty much puts me on even footing with just about everyone at LL.

I am not going to give you a history lesson online here on this thread, Born Under Discouri. If you don't know what is contained in history regarding the Native American people and this country then it is only because you have not bothered to learn it in the past. Which is fine so long as you don't go around stating what you didn't bother to learn.

You gave no source to back up the opinion that you stated regarding the Native American people and the British. You merely stated your opinion as fact. I gave you my opinion in return. Show me yours and I will show you mine. Though you can find what contradicts your opinions in any history book.

posted February 03, 2007 12:50 AM         

"I am not going to give you a history lesson online here on this thread, Born Under Discouri." --- It would be much easier to say that you have no idea what it is you disagree with you just felt the need to start something because it was getting boring. That is okay, we understand. I am quite well learned in what I say, thank you, for unlike most people I dont go around spouting random facts. I dont need to back up the obvious i.e. the nation state that is United States has been founded by the signatories of the Declaration of Independance, or if you wish to get ultra technical on me then Abraham Lincoln (after the Civil War ended the country became one again). While your opinion is indeed an opinion (one to which you are of course entitled) what I have stated was obvious facts that are taught as early as first grade. Considering that I am a possible double History minor, I would reconsider your judgements, Mirandee. You shouldnt be so quick to accuse people of things, you could actually get the wrong one...

posted February 03, 2007 12:54 AM         

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Although I do know how very much you people hate any opinion that does not agree with your world view.

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And by you people do you mean...the intelligent elite or was that a silly attempt at a racial/religious/ethnic shot?

posted February 03, 2007 01:11 AM         

Your friends were out marching again Mirandee. The same sorry bunch of communists you've supported in the past.

Your real problem and your real enemy is the United States...as it's always been. Uncle Sam, America is your enemy.

Here's a picture of the effigy of Uncle Sam your communist friends displayed in their march in Washington Mirandee. Your friends from all the communist groups were there, including your friend John Conyers from the communist Progressive Caucus..among others from the same bunch of brain dead morons in Congress. In fact, the march/protest was organized by a communist group...just as the marches before the war were organized by your communist friends at International A.N.S.W.E.R....a communist front group for the Worker's World Party...a greasy, grimy little group of Stalinists which supports the murder, torture and starvation in Kim Jong Ill's gulags...just as they...and you, by the way supported another murderous socialist dictator, Saddam Hussein.

Notice the effigy of Uncle Sam with the long nose...intended to depict Uncle Sam as a liar..Pinocchio. It's not just Bush you oppose Mirandee, it's America you and your radical leftist friends oppose and despise.

You are the best proof possible that the democrat party has been taken over by the radical fringe loonies of the far left.