posted March 30, 2009 12:16 AM         

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LEXX,

Time to power-down, robocop.

And go snuggle with your hunky boy-toy.

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Talk about DENIAL.

I don't believe anything you say.

How is that?

Better?

Or you want more of my thoughts?

I'd hate to be evasive.

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Go play with yourself.

posted March 30, 2009 12:17 AM           

Look on page 1.

I answered while you were ranting.

And I did it because I wanted to.

This thread isn't about me.

No matter how badly you want it to be.

Now, set phasers to stun, or leave me alone.

posted March 30, 2009 12:20 AM           

You are being very rude.

And if you say more mean sh-t,
I'll say anything I can think of
to hit your nerves right back.

posted March 30, 2009 12:21 AM         

Some of my best friends have been trying to be vegetarians for the past 15 years and keep 'slipping' and feel terrible about it.
I want to relate; I do, to an extent. I just keep falling behind because I'm seriously addicted to the stuff.
I eat it every two weeks or so, but I need it bloody.
It ain't pretty.
It might be an iron deficiency but I am not sure - I have taken iron pills and they make me sick.
I have tried substitutes with other food and it doesn't help. I need it dripping - I've been known to eat raw meat out of the bag with stray cats following me for scraps.

Very unladylike behavior on my part

posted March 30, 2009 12:22 AM         

And threats now?
WTF dude?
I said nothing mean.
But you sure did for no reason!

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You are being very rude.

And if you say more mean sh-t,
I'll say anything I can think of
to hit your nerves right back.

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posted March 30, 2009 12:31 AM           

I'm am very impulsive and energized right now,
and, I confess, I only skimmed your post at first,
and responded to the first few things you said.

Your tone seemed confrontational to me,
so I just responed to a few things quickly,
in order to make a few important points.

I apologize if I read something into your post.
If you were just trying to have a dialogue, that's great.

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I've been known to eat raw meat out of the bag with stray cats following me for scraps.

Very unladylike behavior on my part

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LOL

Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.
I think there must be information out there,
for people with your condition.

I'm not sure what the answer is.
If you can afford it, though, I think,
the least you could try to do is to
buy meat that comes from humane facilities.

posted March 30, 2009 12:34 AM           

oh, okay...

I just looked back at page 1

You wrote right after my first resply to LEXX. My "b".

Looks to me like you were impatient and rude.

You didnt get a response to your huge post right away,
and you proceeded to use confrontational language.

posted March 30, 2009 12:41 AM         

Vegetarianism is like what Confucious would have said if he was me...a debilitating condition for some, and a worthy adversary/advocate for those who need sustenance from cranial jet streams of abusive bolderdash towards those who still prefer to eat meat, ORRR...a perfectly brilliant way of practising conservation.

As far as cruelty to animals go, remember how not one bird dies without the most high's say-so? then same, the cruelty is a journey towards awareness of the condition of all sentient beings, however not all sentient beings are necessarily predisposed at this point in time to set meat aside. The distress of cruelty is for the one who wishes to see, it is up to him to acknowledge the profundity of the event not to warn, cajole and disgrace others. They are operating under their dharma - perhaps the accusers, the ones who would like others to experience the depth of the cruelty portrayed, and be eternally sorry and converted - yes perhaps the accusers need to attend to their dharma instead of brandishing a sword at others.

posted March 30, 2009 12:45 AM         

Why you chose to throw in personal insults makes no sense to me.
And that last post is just toooo weird.

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LEXX,

It is rude...

But I did not direct it to anyone.

Your husband is a figment of your imagination.

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Very creeepy dude.

Edit to add:
Well this explains alot, from the closed thread where HSC was attempting to justify his attacks towards me and my relationship on this thread.

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Maybe I am just jealous of the happiness you have found?
I cannot deny that a devoted partner is something I ache for daily.

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posted March 30, 2009 12:53 AM           

I didn't realize I had that option.

Yes. You were rude.

posted March 30, 2009 01:14 AM           

I think I misread you.

Let me try this again...

So... what you are saying is that
we should not try to provoke others
into greater awareness and compassion?

That I am being rude, and I should wait for them
to realize that what they are doing is pure evil????????

Am I understanding you clearly??

No interventions necessary?

That is your position, yes?

Just let the holocaust go on, day after day?

And as long as I do my best not to take part in it myself,
then, hey, who cares what other people are doing?

No. I disagree.

Someone has to speak up
for those who cannot speak,
and those who are being silenced.

I am here to provoke insight.

I'm sorry if that reflects poorly on me,
and if everyone sees me as the bad guy now,
or thinks I'm up on my high horse, or whatever.

That comes with the job. I know that.

I have to speak out on whatever
I am thinking and feeling at any moment.

Tonight, I am thinking and feeling about these animals.

And what monstrous, absolutely MONSTROUS things
are being done to them, for the sake of your palate.

posted March 30, 2009 02:17 AM         

Prefer a cheese and pickle sandwich myself for most occasions.

posted March 30, 2009 02:41 AM         

Here's the counter-argument:

I haven't read what most of what was said here but I did read a bit of MVM's post because it was one of the first and ditto her again. At the end of the day, we are predators. We are animals. Our NATURAL diet is to have meat in it and in moderation, it is good for your health. You may say that higher consciousness demands us not to eat meat and that it is cruel to eat but I see it as putting things to good use. Other animals would happily gorge on us if we happen to be in their way.

HSC, with the greatest of respect, you live in the first world and you can CHOOSE to not eat meat. Maybe it is higher consciousness and genuine empathy, maybe it is sheer human arrogance to say that you are above all other animals and don't need to eat meat like other animals and thus want to differentiate. If you were starving in another part of the world or in a freezing part of the world, you WOULD eat meat and clothe yourself in fur to SURVIVE.

posted March 30, 2009 03:41 AM         

Um i can see I'm going to have to take notes on your post but just now i'll put in an attempt and try again later maybe.

If you wish to do as you do then feel free, I am simply saying that the reaction you are trying to obtain from others comes across as interfering. If you think interfering is your job then go ahead.

Not a man alive knows the conditions of another's existence - you have quoted similar to this yourself as you attempt to defend some of your outrageous posts and twisting, and might I say, seemingly hypocritical stances.

I can see that you might also learn by what others divulge - without any of us knowing the ultimate perspective we can hardly profess supreme authority. It is probably thrilling to gain insights into others motivations and raison d'etre. I find it thrilling to watch, sometimes sickening too but nevertheless often a good show, thank you for the hours of entertainment.

Personally, I think if people are after support for something that they think is worthwhile, those people will collect more fans by living by those principles if they are successful ones rather than battering others over the head with guilt trips, shocks and clever wording. That kind of acquisition is hollow and transitory I believe.

If you're into Jesus's stuff then he admonished people for being too concerned with dietary rules and what they ate, and said something to the effect of they'd be better to apply themselves to what came out of their mouths then what went in.

It's an easy way out to think you are provoking others into better choices and treatment of animals maybe you would catch more flies if you set up a market stall and served delicious vegan ecosound dishes rather than giving people ulcers just trying to give a credible account of their ideas.

Sure cruelty is intolerable, but then who are you to judge the meaning of these times. Finding something is inconceivable to continue is one thing - assaulting others with your emphatic dramatics will hardly promote peace. I guess you will bring up Ghandi, and I guess also that a lot of changes for the 'better' have been made by people who are fairly ropeable with passion. For this I have no answer, but I will say I heard Ghandi's wife was apparently very unhappy.

Animals deserve to be treated well, it is silly to misuse living creatures, however people do a lot of silly things and some of these other things harm and are cruel to others.

I'm not attacking you but am considering your position and returning my own assumptions.