posted March 29, 2009 10:50 PM           

Of course they don't.

They just want a tasty meal.

Cruetly never crosses their mind.

And, yet, one cannot eat meat without
participating in acts of horrific cruelty,
consciously or unconsciously.

I'm not saying all meat-eaters should be shot
for participating in this mega-holocaust, but,
the least they can do is take a good look
at what they are doing, and who it is hurting.

We may think we all know what is going on,
and what choices we are making for ourselves
and for these tortured and slaughtered animals,
but have we really ever taken a good look? Have we?

If not.. What are we afraid of?
What is the worst that could happen?
We lose our appetites? For flesh?

Let's take a look, shall we?

WARNING To Meat Eaters:

Watch this only if you really want to know
what your dollars and actions are contributing to!!!

Meat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyoGVJ1KxpY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0dmE_w-54Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhlhSQ5z4V4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QXJmjDex_U&feature=related

How Sausage Is Made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOs_a4iHQPY&feature=related
(Is it true that pigs are smarter than dogs?)

Goriest Footage
If you really want to lose your appetite,
this is one of the best ways to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NYII5---qg

posted March 29, 2009 11:17 PM         

However, here's some food for thought:
According to some, plants do feel pain. I don't doubt it. I do garden and sing to my gardenia plant. It's fussy and won't grow unless it feels love (and a good high acidity soil lol).

So, here are some interesting links:
http://www.department13designs.com/vegan.html
http://plantsfeelpain.com/
http://www.uncoveror.com/plants.htm

Anyway. I just wonder, you know. Just because something isn't writhing and screaming and expressing pain in the way we associate doesn't mean it doesn't feel pain. Maybe it does.
I can't imagine what this means for us.
No eating?
We're predators. We kill everywhere we go. Bugs. Animals. Hearts. Each other lol.
Bacteria. Fungus.
Just saying....
I mean, some people hunt. We once hunted for food to survive. Is that bad? I think it's bad if we didn't kill properly. I think there's a pact between the hunter and the hunted, that should be respected.
There's a reason why torture of animals is bad for carnivores too - too much adrenaline going through the system makes the meat tougher. And of course, it's just needless suffering.

I have no problems with vegans or vegetarians, btw. If they don't want to eat meat or eggs or drink milk, fine. I can respect it. I can see that side.

posted March 29, 2009 11:33 PM           

Check out "How Sausage Is Made"

It's a real hoot.

posted March 29, 2009 11:39 PM         

It's like you leave yourself out of your own thread. It feels a bit impersonal. Not objective. Impersonal. Big difference, by the way.

posted March 29, 2009 11:42 PM           

I hear you.

We had a long discussion about this recently,
maybe somebody will come up with the link.

I entertain all sorts of far-out ideas,
so, I know what you mean about the plants.
Sometimes, though, we just have to work
with the most obvious realities, don't we?
Well, that's what people keep telling me,
and I think I'm starting to get the picture.

One of the articles I read was written from a very spiritual perspective,
and it was talking about how, ideally, you can feed yourself on sunlight.
Or, who knows, maybe there is even a more pure way than that.
But there are degrees to which consuming things is harmful,
to other sentient beings, and to ourselves, karmically.
According to the "guru" who wrote the article,
it is much much much worse to eat flesh than plantlife,
although, it is true that plants feel something akin to pain.

All life should be revered and respected,
and no sacrifice should be made unless it is
the most humane thing that can be done within reason.

Love to you,
HSC

posted March 29, 2009 11:42 PM         

Tell us what YOU THINK ABOUT MEAT CONSUMPTION AND SO FORTH!

posted March 29, 2009 11:47 PM           

quote:

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HSC, do you actually read any of the posts in your thread? I asked you a question. Maybe you might consider talking about your own feelings on the subject instead of simply flinging a rather obvious platitude? Pretty please? I'm more interested in how YOU feel instead of this other stuff you use as a smoke screen.
It's like you leave yourself out of your own thread. It feels a bit impersonal. Not objective. Impersonal. Big difference, by the way.

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Which thread did you reply in?

I've been pretty busy,
definitely ignoring a lot of posts.

I dont know what platitude you mean,
but I'll try to give you a more thorough
response, if you ask me for it nicely.

I don't think I'm using any smoke-screens.
I feel pretty in-touch with my feelings lately.

Your criticism may have some value,
but I don't feel obligated to stick around,
or even to offer up my own thoughts on all things.

Lately, with all these planets in Aries,
I've been feeling more comfortable as a catalyst.
I am happy just to see that others are thinking and talking.

I answer who I want to, where I want to, and when I want to.

I hope that works out for you. Love and love.

posted March 29, 2009 11:48 PM         

quote:

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Which thread did you reply in?

I've been pretty busy,
definitely ignoring a lot of posts.

I dont know what platitude you mean,

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quote:

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I take it you're a vegetarian/vegan?

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And so do I ...again....

HSC

Tell us what YOU THINK ABOUT MEAT

CONSUMPTION AND SO FORTH!

ARE YOU A VEGETARIAN?

PS.MVM raised valid points.

quote:

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HSC, do you actually read any of the posts in your thread? I asked you a question. Maybe you might consider talking about your own feelings on the subject instead of simply flinging a rather obvious platitude? Pretty please? I'm more interested in how YOU feel instead of this other stuff you use as a smoke screen.

It's like you leave yourself out of your own thread. It feels a bit impersonal. Not objective. Impersonal. Big difference, by the way.

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posted March 29, 2009 11:59 PM           

I'm making an effort. You can too.

I did not hear her question.
And you can suck my left eyeball,
if you assume otherwise, okay?

Now, can we get back to being civil?

quote:

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It is just not right to post about a controversial topic,
one that many are sensitive about....and then to sit back
and watch....or wait to help stir folks up.

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It isn't?

posted March 30, 2009 12:04 AM         

quote:

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I know it seems that way.

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posted March 30, 2009 12:05 AM           

Last I checked...

I am not subject to any law
that says I must answer to you,
or to anyone else here.

Years of experience here has shown me
how often my own penetrating questions
are dismissed and not given their due.

If it is an offense, there are many here
who are far far more guilty of it than myself.

That's all I have to say about that right now.

If you are sincerely interested in what I think,
and not just looking for a fight, you can ask me politely.

hsc

posted March 30, 2009 12:11 AM         

"...but I'll try to give you a more thorough
response, if you ask me for it nicely."

More nicely than this? :

"Pretty please? I'm more interested in how YOU feel instead of this other stuff you use as a smoke screen."

How much nicer do you need? With a cherry on top ?

posted March 30, 2009 12:14 AM           

No, I am not a vegetarian.

I still eat chicken and fish.

I gave up everything else, though.

And I am trying now to only go with free-range chicken.

Eventually, I want to become entirely vegan.

I've tried several times to do it cold-turkey and it failed.

So, I decided to allow myself chicken and seafood.

This way, I was able to give up everything else fairly easily.

It has been, I think, something like four months now.

And I only slipped up and ate meat 2 or 3 times in that time.

Self-control is not one of my strong suits, lol,
so, I am really proud of myself for making it this far.