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AcousticGod
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posted March 31, 2009 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
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I am quite capable of learning something new thanks, so quit the snidey, immature comments. I expect better from you.

*** for tat is for the playground. I have just wased valuable time trying to show you a new angle and you don't wanna know. So who is the one who is too blinkered to learn?


As far as I'm concerned you just accused me twice of not being interested in learning (Mercury chart-ruler here), so I believe the snidey comments are your own. I just turned that comment back on you, so you would understand what you were doing.

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Lara
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posted March 31, 2009 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
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posted March 31, 2009 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meta_4     Edit/Delete Message
If you're happy and you know it clap your hands...

...

*Cricket chirp****

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Lara
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SunChild
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posted March 31, 2009 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
*clap clap*

Sipping on tonic blessed herbs with spring water.

The diet of the future : ~superfood~

forget beef, potatoes and rice...blah...

bring on the cacao, gojis, spirulina, marine phyto plankton, and camu camu berries (just to name a few faves)!

Less is more. Costs the same as a steak. Twice the iron, thousand times more antioxidants, complete protein, omega 3,6

Sometimes it's just a matter of maths!

..and feeling goooooood.

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Dulce Luna
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posted March 31, 2009 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm so sick of al this bullsh1t on this site... why can't people just graciously receive good decent info anymore without becoming resentful or bitter in some way?


This isn't about bitterness, its about you trying to shove info with little factual basis down our throats . And then you accusing us of ignorance and ungratefulness....as a heavy mercurial person I don't take those kind of insults to my intelligence very lightly.

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Dulce Luna
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posted March 31, 2009 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
And LOL Sunchild...

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SunChild
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posted March 31, 2009 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Chocolate bliss~IV for this thread

one each...

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Lara-youre disappointing me. Youre coming off very mean and confrontational.

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AcousticGod
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posted March 31, 2009 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know where you get off with this stuff, Lara. "Ungrateful person"? Really? Sounds like a Supreme Provider of Knowledge throwing crumbs to the peasants. One know-it-all to another, you should check yourself. Throughout this conversation the only thing you've provided to back up your assertion is your claim that you studied it. Anyone can claim as much on any topic. Would you suggest that I just listen to everyone who claims to be an authority? It's not logical.

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posted March 31, 2009 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Who cares! have a chocolate.

Let go... no one mention one more thing about someone else...

it only is something because people choose to hang on to it.

It doesn't really matter. LOL

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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"Let her who has not begun, think it over,
and her who has made a start, continue.
No opportunity must be given to the enemy,
no offering taken from the Christ."
~ St. Augustine


"Power comes to its full strength in weakness."
~ 2 Corinthians 12:9


"See how what is forbidden kings to enjoy is wholly denied to priests, and is known to be more dangerous than any food. And yet, so spiritual a man as St Benedict himself is compelled to allow it to monks as a sort of concession to the times in which he lived. 'Although', he says, 'we read that wine is no drink for monks, yet because nowadays monks cannot be persuaded of this, etc.' He had read, if I am not mistaken, these passages in Lives of The Saints."
~ Heloise to Abelard
The Letters of Direction


"There was once a celebration of the Mass on the Mount abba Antony, and a jar of wine was found there. One of the elders took a small vessel, carried a cupful to abba Sisoi and gave it to him. He drank once, and a second time he took it and drank, but when it was offered a third time he refused, saying, 'Peace, brother, do you not know that it is Satan?'"
~ Vitae Patrum


"On the question of meat: where, I ask you, has this ever been condemned by God or forbidden to monks? Look, pray, and mark how of necessity St Benedict modifies the Rule on this point too (though it is more dangerous for monks and he knew it was not for them), because in his day it was impossible to persuade monks to abstain from meat. I would like to see the same dispensation granted in our own times, with a similar modification regarding matters which fall between good and evil and are called indifferent, so that vows would not compel what cannot now be gained by persuation. If concession were made without scandal on neutral points, it would be enough to forbid only what is sinful... For things which do not prepare us for the Kingdom of God or commend us least to God call for no special attention. These are all outward works which are common to the damned and elect alike, as much to hypocrites as to the religious. For nothing so divides Jew from Christian as the distinction between outward and inner works, especially since between the children of God and those of the devil love alone distinguishes: what the Apostle calls the sum of the law and the object of what is commanded. And so he also disparages pride in works in order to set above it the righteousness of faith."
~ Heloise to Abelard
The Letters of Direction


"What room then is left for human pride?
It is excluded. And on what principle?
Of works? No, but through the principle of faith.
For our argument is that a man is justified by faith
without observances of the law."
~ Romans 3:27-8


"Whoever you are, then, who hastens to the heavenly kingdom,
observe, with Christ's help, this minimum Rule as a beginning,
and then you will come finally to the higher peaks of doctrine and virtue,
under the protection of God."
~ St Benedict

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Lara
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SunChild,

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What we do for ourselves dies with us.
What we do for others and the world is immortal.

~ George Eliot

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HSC- I'm 4 pages late but in any case, I have a lot of vegan friends (I go to a college with a very liberal student population), so I am FULLY aware of all the arguments against meat and animal products.

I just have other causes to worry about, which is crappy to say.

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posted April 01, 2009 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
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Some men beat their wives.

It doesnt mean they don't love them.



WTF?????????????????????????????

Yeah, I felt really... LOVED... when my ex slammed me into a post and kicked me off the edge of the decking into the nettles.

HSC, if you're gonna use analogies can you think about what you're saying? Please?

That behaviour is NOT love. You wouldn't have felt loved either, I can assure you.

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I would eat meat if I had the stomach to raise my own and kill them myself. I agree with Sunshine Lion here. I think it's about personal responsibility for what happens on your plate.

Although I also agree with her and others who said vegetarians really haven't got a leg to stand on in the argument. Vegan's the way to go. I eat vegan a hell of a lot. But I don't label myself vegetarian. The best I can do is to call myself "Someone who is trying really hard not to eat meat and dairy". I haven't eaten meat or fish for about 8 months.

I think anyone who tries to cut down on meat and dairy consumption is to be encouraged. It's more sustainable in terms of world resources, and meat in moderation is healthier. I won't go into the cruelty aspect because I'm wearing leather shoes and have milk in my coffee today.

I wish I'd never tasted cheese though.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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Wheels,


I was being facetious to make a point.

Have I succeeded?


Can you love animals, and treat them this way?

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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"No murderer has a place in the Kingdom of Christ and of God."
~ 1 John 3:15


"Keep yourself in training for the practice of religion.
The training of the body brings limited benefit,
but the benefits of religion are without limit,
since it holds promise not only for this life,
but for the life to come."
~ 1 Timothy 4:7,8

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posted April 02, 2009 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
OK, sorry, missed the nuance.
Thanks.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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Any time.

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"No murderer has a place in the Kingdom of Christ and of God."
~ 1 John 3:15

Referring to animals? Christians may tell you that God has placed animals here to keep people alive. That is why food is blessed before eating it, whether it's a lamb chop or pumpkin soup.

Jesus supplied a heck of a lot of fish for people to eat.

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posted April 02, 2009 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message

Look at it this way for a minute: the quotes from the Bible only apply if those are your beliefs. If you do not claim to be Catholic/Christian or follow the doctrines and words about "God", then you can disregard that as opinion, can't you?

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