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Topic: HOUSE vs Planet perspective
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 05, 2011 10:46 PM
  
Do you go by the HOUSES or go by the planets?What I mean is, do you, when wanting to know how a person communicates, look at Mercury, or do you look at house 3? I stress the importance of using a house centred astrology as opposed to the regular teachings of planet centred astrology that many teach. I will speak more about this later, but feel free to ask any questions if you would like to make this clearer. IP: Logged |
joyrjw
Knowflake Posts: 355
From: El Cajon,California, USA
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted June 05, 2011 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
Do you go by the HOUSES or go by the planets?What I mean is, do you, when wanting to know how a person communicates, look at Mercury, or do you look at house 3? I stress the importance of using a house centred astrology as opposed to the regular teachings of planet centred astrology that many teach. I will speak more about this later, but feel free to ask any questions if you would like to make this clearer.
I use both planets and houses. It seems that both are very important and both make quite an impact, in my opinion. For example my moon is in virgo in my 3rd house conjunct my IC and the 3rd house is ruled by Gemini and thus Mercury, so Mercury would be amplified with me and I would have a couple more mutable qualities than my chart at first glance would suggest. I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about using a more house centered astrology. ------------------
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CrazyAquarian
Knowflake Posts: 835
From: US
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted June 05, 2011 11:24 PM
I take the planet is how you express it. While the house flavors that area of your life.
Its hard for me to think about my personally, since my Mercury is in Aqua and my 3rd house cusp is Aqua too.
Plus my sun then Uranus in first, people don't know what the hell I'm talking about LOLIP: Logged |
Betty Boop
Knowflake Posts: 1084
From: Betty Boop Land
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 06, 2011 01:07 AM
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people don't know what the hell I'm talking about LOL
Nuhhh... You're cool potatoes!  My Mercury is square Uranus.. and ruler of the 3rd is in the 11th. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 11797
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 06, 2011 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Nuhhh... You're cool potatoes! My Mercury is square Uranus.. and ruler of the 3rd is in the 11th.
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Yrone
Knowflake Posts: 349
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Registered: Apr 2011
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posted June 06, 2011 01:31 AM
Well in Coffee's favourite house system, H3 is Cancer.
Moon is over in Virgo, Mercury is in Aqua.I often go on tangents or "open bracket ( lalala ) close bracket" when talking because I assume people need all that information but I am not really presenting it in the most structured mannner. I use pictures like the above that no one but me understands when talking (Coffee then will reply "what what what").
I then get horribly annoyed when people cannot follow my train of thoughts and express that really they didn't understand twat about what I was saying.
It's a very weird "arriving at logic by expressing feelings" kind of thing. I do have some razorsharp light moments when I am fencing so  IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
Knowflake Posts: 835
From: US
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted June 06, 2011 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Nuhhh... You're cool potatoes! My Mercury is square Uranus.. and ruler of the 3rd is in the 11th.
Yaay potatoes! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 11797
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 06, 2011 02:32 AM
Bet this is the FIRST time Coffee was called Cool Potatoes  ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Benedict Moon*
Knowflake Posts: 2314
From: Avendesora
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 06:56 AM
My question to you would be why you would even consider one without the other? Not being confrontational but I'm just curious, since a reading would feel very incomplete without either IMO. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted June 06, 2011 08:30 AM
I go by planets mainly and I think one of the reasons for it is that if we talk about 'planets' you can be sure that we all talk about the same thing. But wat if we talk about "houses" as there are so many house systems? Which house system do you use? And wich do you? Which can I trust and why? What's the hystory behind it? Ok, generally and pretty rash I assume we all talk about the same when it comes to "houses" and as it's very easy to consider the planets IN the houses... but how serious can I take it? I'm not even talking about 'rulers' which is far more complex and something which at least requires a trustful insight in house systems to deepen yourself into it and it would be nice if we all talk about the same, wouldn't it?
I've seen you mention the "whole signs" house system Coffee, if I have it right.
I took a look once at astro.com and the rulers of the signs are equal there to the rulers of the houses (easily said)? That would be at least less complex...
As you can read this house area of astrology is a bit of a confusing mess to me. Feel free to answer. IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 09:34 AM
I have a problem with communication, let's say.A HOUSE centred person would look and say....It's all down to your third house as house 3 is all about communication. A planet centred person would look and say....It's all down to your Mercury as Mercury is all about communication. While I don't disagree with Mercury = intelligence normally, I disagree with looking at the planets FIRST, instead of the house. I have third house as communication, which means that whatever sign is on the 3rd house, it's ruler then represents the house, not it's natural meaning. If I have Leo on the 3rd, the SUN then becomes the third house representative, not Mercury, in the chart. So, in this example, I would look at the Sun in the natal chart as to any problems with communication. As opposed to Mercury, as Mercury is the natural ruler of communication. I don't discount that Mercury = communication, I just don't count it when first looking at the problem. Hopefully that is clearer.
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 09:57 AM
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 11797
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted June 06, 2011 11:07 AM
You were the one who started me appreciating the houses, Coffee!
Once I started grasping these,many Astrological things opened up.------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You were the one who started me appreciating the houses, Coffee!
Once I started grasping these,many Astrological things opened up.
Good Ami. Now all you need to do is get the combined orb thingy in your head and then you're almost there in your mission to learn the right astrology IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted June 06, 2011 12:21 PM
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combined orb thingy
What is the combined orb thing? I totally forgot lol ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 12:25 PM
Bumped just for you Ami.
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Aya_and_baby
Knowflake Posts: 811
From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp)
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 12:53 PM
I look at both house and planet. Planet first, then house, but I won't form an opinion until I've seen both placements (and their aspects or planets in the respective house).I think both the respective house and the respective planet have a lot to offer in terms of insight. Both on their own, in my humble opinion, only give half the insight that both of them together could. ------------------
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Benedict Moon*
Knowflake Posts: 2314
From: Avendesora
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I have a problem with communication, let's say.A HOUSE centred person would look and say....It's all down to your third house as house 3 is all about communication. A planet centred person would look and say....It's all down to your Mercury as Mercury is all about communication. While I don't disagree with Mercury = intelligence normally, I disagree with looking at the planets FIRST, instead of the house. I have third house as communication, which means that whatever sign is on the 3rd house, it's ruler then represents the house, not it's natural meaning. If I have Leo on the 3rd, the SUN then becomes the third house representative, not Mercury, in the chart. So, in this example, I would look at the Sun in the natal chart as to any problems with communication. As opposed to Mercury, as Mercury is the natural ruler of communication. I don't discount that Mercury = communication, I just don't count it when first looking at the problem. Hopefully that is clearer.
Well that is clearer to me now. Anyways, I look at both planet and house in combo, admittedly I'm looking to the planet primarily because it is the core IMO, while the house is the area.
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 11797
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 06, 2011 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
Bumped just for you Ami.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208324.html
Awww I feel special Darling
My head feels very unable to handle new info at the moment but I should be better ,later,hopefully lol ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Well that is clearer to me now. Anyways, I look at both planet and house in combo, admittedly I'm looking to the planet primarily because it is the core IMO, while the house is the area.
I know, it's hard to get your original training in astrology out of your head, if that's what would happen. Some just don't want to admit they might be looking at astrology the wrong way, because all this time, you were giving advice and feedback to others. Either way would work if the person was Aries riser. IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by joyrjw:
I use both planets and houses. It seems that both are very important and both make quite an impact, in my opinion.For example my moon is in virgo in my 3rd house conjunct my IC and the 3rd house is ruled by Gemini and thus Mercury, so Mercury would be amplified with me and I would have a couple more mutable qualities than my chart at first glance would suggest. I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about using a more house centered astrology.
I'm only really interested in a more HOUSE centred astrology. People say they use BOTH. That goes without saying and maybe misses the point. I'm looking at the house way of doing astrology as the first thing you should do. Work from the outside to the in.
House-house ruler-planet aspect. Not planet aspects-planet-house. Too many fall into the trap of looking at Mercury anywhere and thinking this is communication, not so. 3rd house (which is natural place of Mercury) is communication. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
Knowflake Posts: 2314
From: Avendesora
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I know, it's hard to get your original training in astrology out of your head, if that's what would happen. Some just don't want to admit they might be looking at astrology the wrong way, because all this time, you were giving advice and feedback to others.Either way would work if the person was Aries riser.
I'm pretty much self-taught, first of all (10 years in the making). Second of all, I don't primarily go for house based astrology because it doesn't resonate at all when looking charts, no matter how many logical explanations you can throw at me. Don't get me wrong, I do think you're system has some validity....just alongside the planets.
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roadwarriorsdp
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posted June 06, 2011 06:43 PM
My mercury is in the seventh house.....I love talking only when i'm one on one....otherwise something feels forced or odd....the only thing I like doing ina group, 11th house, is art music drawing talking about culture faith passion - moon in pisces.......mercury is conjunct uranus in sagitarius....i have an easy time making people optimistic but some of the things i say can shock or push away a person if they are fueled by jealousy.... so the houses ring true to me....but i might say if you don't believe in houses, you should atleast look into quadraints....for i think it was jung who found that each section of the circlye universally symbolicly represents 9/10 times the same thing.....with the breakdown being similar to the natal chart... I, you, we, us......
or me, home, partner, work.....
those things are more true for certain about a circle than astrology and signs......the circle is the root of the subconcious.... this was derived by studying every culture in the world, and overlapping similarities...in an objective scientific manner...by jung and his predecessors...so it's not my idea. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
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posted June 06, 2011 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I have a problem with communication, let's say.A HOUSE centred person would look and say....It's all down to your third house as house 3 is all about communication. A planet centred person would look and say....It's all down to your Mercury as Mercury is all about communication. While I don't disagree with Mercury = intelligence normally, I disagree with looking at the planets FIRST, instead of the house. I have third house as communication, which means that whatever sign is on the 3rd house, it's ruler then represents the house, not it's natural meaning. If I have Leo on the 3rd, the SUN then becomes the third house representative, not Mercury, in the chart. So, in this example, I would look at the Sun in the natal chart as to any problems with communication. As opposed to Mercury, as Mercury is the natural ruler of communication. I don't discount that Mercury = communication, I just don't count it when first looking at the problem. Hopefully that is clearer.
Amazing post. I just advanced in astrology.
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1917
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 06, 2011 07:50 PM
Thanks. That little nugget completely changed my idea of how to do astrology. Hopefully it will help the others, the ones who haven't been brainwashed into doing it the wrong way.
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