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Topic: Are Sag men aways this confusing?
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Cerulean Newflake Posts: 6 From: 'Straya Registered: Jan 2017
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posted January 01, 2017 10:55 PM
Sorry in advance for the long post! I've been lurking these forums for years and finally decided to join! (tl;dr- I'm a Gemini and this Sag with cap in venus is confusing me)I'm a 25 year old Gemini(Aqu Moon, Cancer Asc, Cancer in venus)who is crushing on a Scorpio-Sag cusp, Venus in Capricorn (He identifies as a Sag though, 22nd Nov - not sure of time of birth) and I THINK he's crushing on me too. We play fight a lot at work or pull faces if we cross each other’s paths. For the last month he's been going on about how he wants to take me out for dinner after the busy season, at one stage saying he'll be a real gentleman about it and pay for everything. He'll even say stuff like “This is a good show, I should introduce it to you sometime” or "You should ditch your thing and come play video games with me" but hasn't made good on those promises yet. At one stage I noticed he was starting to get a bit distant but he seemed to go back to normal at a work function by once again, approaching me as soon as I walked in and goofing around and play fighting like 5 year olds. After that he would message me everyday, always him initiating first. He even suggested we go out sometime after the 'busy season'. One day we had a bit of an awkward conversation about smoking and how I wasn't a huge fan of smokers (he smokes) although he said everything was fine, the conversation just died out. The next day I didn't receive anything from him (which was fine because it was xmas and we're all busy) but later on, I noticed he posted a status asking if anyone was online to chat. I did nothing. The next day I send him a text and it was a one liner from him and that was it.... I understand that he was probably busy but it seemed very dismissive and unlike his usual style. After no contact for 2 days I run into him at work and he vaguely goes "oh...it's you" and didn't really speak to me until I remarked to a co-worker about how a regular customer was the only man that ever compliments me and Sag man who overheard sounded offended said "what do you mean? I compliment you all the time!" and later came up and told me he thought I looked pretty. Again, didn’t hear from him for a couple of days. The next time I saw him at work, the first thing he did was stand behind me and watched what I was doing (he does it on purpose as I've told him that he distracts me) and was all into the play fighting again, even calling me "cutie" and "gorgeous" and even tried to hold my hand/hug me couple of times (in which I would refuse to let him ‘catch’ me)We both went on break around the same time and I made comment that I was heading elsewhere to use the 'better bathrooms' and he jokingly goes "oh you like those toilets because they're better? you think you deserve all the better things in life and you won’t settle for less?" and when I agreed he goes "good that's how it should be!" That night I messaged him mentioning that people had started asking questions about us, to which he found funny and very interesting. The next day, while I was having lunch he walked into the lunch room and saw me laughing with some male co-workers and started calling me ‘babe’ and kept mentioning how we were dating (I wish!). Obviously this was to fuel those rumours some more. But that same day, as we were saying goodbye to each other he quietly joked about hugging me on the way out so everyone can see, when I laughed and told him I was staying back for a bit he goes “I’ll text you later then! I might be a bit drunk though…” and lo and behold he messages 2 hours later and continued to chat to me for the rest of the night, despite being at a friends (this was NYE mind you). Such a weird dude! The fact that he'll go a day or 2 without messaging me is fine, I understand were all busy people but he has always messaged me in the past when he’s up for a chat, even if he’s with someone else. Heck! I'm a Gemini so I get the whole "randomly being distant" thing, especially when I'm unsure of something. But I find his actions so odd! They're a lot like mine when I have feelings for someone, but he isn't me, so I'm unsure of what to think. To me, it’s almost like he’s doing it for fun, like a game of cat and mouse (or, archer and butterfly ha!). Is he losing interest but still play fighting/flirting to pass the time? and why hasn't he made good on his promises of taking me out? At one stage (via text) he told me that I was fun to be around, so I jokingly asked him if that meant he liked me and he used my usual response of “I admit nothing!” I found that funny at first but I've heard Sags are very blunt so, was that just his polite way of saying no? Or maybe he’s waiting for me to say something first...as I'm not the one to make the first move, if anything I'll drop hints and play coy forever. I feel like, it would be a shame not to go out at least once as we both have great energy and even HE thinks we make an adorable couple. But urgh it’s so frustrating waiting for him! I want to know whether I should bother with him or just leave it. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 3727 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 02, 2017 12:35 AM
Hi there,Its sad that people have to look to the details of a person's actions to try and uncover their strategy; do they like me? Are they interested? I myself have never been particularly good at reading signals,"hints" and suggestions etc. If you don't make it clear to me that you into me. You don't really like me. If you have to be a detective and figure it all out at the beginning of the relationship I don't see how he can grow more assertive and clear as the relationship progresses. This all sounds very much like Mars in Sag/Libra stuff.Where is his Mars? Any aspects to it? Any Aries/Scorpio placement? Cap Venus has a tendency of unfolding very slowly(barring any other contradicting placements). Post his chart and lets have a look.
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Cerulean Newflake Posts: 6 From: 'Straya Registered: Jan 2017
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posted January 02, 2017 01:37 AM
It is pretty ridiculous isn't it? Unfortunately, as I don't know the time of birth, this is the best I can do. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 3727 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted January 02, 2017 01:51 AM
Moon in Scorpio/Mars in Cancer....hmmmWell that Scorpio Moon feels things quite deeply and Mars in Cancer too.Almost in the uncomfortable/immediate sense of the word. Now for the Sun in Sag, there could be a tendency to try and play things down and not have them be so serious or intense. My strategy; casually say to him "Its hard for me to tell these things at times.But are you flirting with me because you like me? Or are you just being friendly?" When you get the answer there and it is most probably going to be a "No I like you as a friend", keep things between you two as casual as possible. Don't give him special treatment or make it seem like you only share that bond with him. Go about your business. What usually happens with most men is that when you stop paying them attention and giving them that exclusive treatment, they pout up a storm. If he wants you, he will chase you and you will have NO doubt with regards to his interest. It could be that working together complicates things for Venus in Cap a bit. But still,you need clarity so that you don't hold out. IP: Logged |
Cerulean Newflake Posts: 6 From: 'Straya Registered: Jan 2017
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posted January 02, 2017 03:29 AM
Ah! Thankyou for that. I'll give your strategy a go. To me, that kind of flirting should really be reserved for someone you actually like, which is why I found his actions quite odd. Anyway, thankyou, doing that saves me alot of waiting around.IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 2870 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 02, 2017 10:14 AM
Nope. Sagittarius is not confusing at all.They come out and say, "I'm in a relationship" or if single start making plans to hang out with you. His Venus in Capricorn would have made a move already if he wanted anything serious with you. Sagittarius/Scorpio/Capricorn...all three are direct and won't beat around the bush. He's just a friend. I've had Scorpio-Scorpio, Sagittarius Asc tried to play those games with me before. So I point blank ask them on a date. An excuse was made. I waited until a national holiday and ask again, same excuse, 'work'. I took that as my answer and cut out the flirting. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 2870 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 02, 2017 10:27 AM
Also, with nMoon in Scorpio his pMoon would be in either Virgo or Libra. You have neither Sun or Asc in these signs. So clearly he's not feeling you.Your own pMoon is probably at the end of Sagittarius, or early Capricorn. This explains the attraction, however it's not enough to hook him. His Ascendant is unknown, however, based on experience Lunar Scorpios prefer to play the moon sign in relationships, and his pMoon isn't engaged at all. I believe you get along because your pMoon is in conjunction to his nVenus. Moon/Venus(yin/yin) is fab, but you'll need something more dynamic (yin/yang) to kick start a romance. Verdict: Friends. The astrology isn't strong enough for more. IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 4080 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted January 02, 2017 01:13 PM
Ew. Games :-/ I have never met a man that was "confusing" because I didn't stick around long enough to dwell on it. If they're not clear with their intentions from the get-go it's a waste of time! Also, know this: men sometimes (and women), like the attention they get from creating confusion and you'll only be fueling that Ego Trip by chasing.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Moderator Posts: 9911 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 02, 2017 01:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Also, with nMoon in Scorpio his pMoon would be in either Virgo or Libra. You have neither Sun or Asc in these signs. So clearly he's not feeling you.
No offense, but that's... honestly quite ridiculous. You assume things out of thin air. There's no such thing as absolutes in astrology, especially that example you gave. On another note. I disagree with the others. I think he definitely likes you, Cerulean (nice name). From the sounds of it, he enjoys you a lot, and is very attracted. But he's probably insecure, or has some fears related to closeness and commitment.
A Scorpio Moon can make one very emotionally "unstable" and quite "paranoid". The men especially often want the woman to show them how much she wants them, that they're important, and so on. So perhaps he's just not getting enough of a clear sign from you, that you like him. That being said, even if you do tell him overtly that you like him, he might freak out and deny his attraction to you. If such is the case, don't waste time, because there's nothing more off-putting and confusing than someone who is clearly attracted but who keeps denying it. He could just be "playing" with you, but I highly doubt that. But as with all things, go with your intuition. You're the one who knows best. Also, remember that Mercury is now retrograde, and communication often changes during this time. So if he's more distant than usual, it's most likely temporary and will pass. At any rate, don't let yourself be fooled, but don't just assume things, either. If you want the truth, go for it. It might not turn out the way you want it to, but at least you'll know. IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 4992 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 02, 2017 06:06 PM
Hello Cerulean! Welcome to LL ------------------ A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step...Lao Tzu IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 2870 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 02, 2017 08:00 PM
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No offense, but that's... honestly quite ridiculous.You assume things out of thin air. There's no such thing as absolutes in astrology, especially that example you gave.
You obviously don't understand how synastry works. IP: Logged |
Cerulean Newflake Posts: 6 From: 'Straya Registered: Jan 2017
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posted January 03, 2017 04:05 AM
Thanks for your input everyone! And thankyou Lalalinda and Doux Rêve! Cerlulean's one of my favourite colours quote: Originally posted by Nine: His Venus in Capricorn would have made a move already if he wanted anything serious with you.
From day one he's been saying how he wanted to take me out after the crazy holiday season is over (worker Capricorn leaping into action, I suppose). We did actually plan to see each other yesterday but he went home ill the day before and I told him not to worry about tomorrow and just rest. The next he sent me a message apologising about not being able to go out (Which shocked me because I thought it was one of his imaginary plans again). Which shows that for once, he was actually willing to follow through with his random plan making. But eh, you're right, he should have tried to lock me down earlier. Even my intuition is going crazy, one minute I'll intuit that likes me as a friend, the next (especially after his message yesterday) I'll intuit otherwise. Following all of your advice, I may just remind him of our postponed date(?) and then leave him to work out the details. If he doesn't I'll move on. I'm honestly not sure of how to give him a clearer sign...aside from just saying it, which will probably happen once I get sick of it and stop caring ahaha. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 30540 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 03, 2017 07:15 AM
Doux,
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Nine Moderator Posts: 2870 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 03, 2017 09:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Doux,
Hey!! Aren't you the archetypal hopeless romantic? Who is that girl who is in breathlessly in love with a very married and unavailable Sagittarius? And for how long now? Before that wasn't there a very married Capricorn British actor. Then there was the also married and unavailable co-worker. thumbs up, eh? Hardly surprising given your track record. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 30540 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 03, 2017 11:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Hey!! Aren't you the archetypal hopeless romantic? Who is that girl who is in breathlessly in love with a very married and unavailable Sagittarius? And for how long now? Before that wasn't there a very married Capricorn British actor. Then there was the also married and unavailable co-worker. thumbs up, eh? Hardly surprising given your track record.
Get your real life and astrological facts straight and most of all get off my back. You`re overreacting. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 2870 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 03, 2017 04:18 PM
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Get your real life and astrological facts straight
Ouch! Ouch! The fangs are out! The claws are out! quote: ... and most of all get off my back.
Okay, Ceri. Whatever you say. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 30540 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 03, 2017 05:36 PM
Cerulean, quote: Originally posted by Doux Rêve: At any rate, don't let yourself be fooled, but don't just assume things, either. If you want the truth, go for it. It might not turn out the way you want it to, but at least you'll know.
I think that is a great piece of advice.
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soren Knowflake Posts: 2729 From: 50% earth 50% zeta reticuli Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 03, 2017 06:06 PM
well you got to always be open to new understandings, if men were on a ship and they said "ALWAYS FALLOW THE NORTH STAR, IT WILL ALWAYS BE RIGHT" and then they were going towards a cliff and he said "ALWAYS, FOLLOW, THE NORTH, STAR!!!!" AND then he put his sword pointing at it to go straight ahead, and then they fell off a cliff, then that was a bad misfortune. that would be a definite absolute beliefIP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 20801 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted January 03, 2017 07:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Hey!! Aren't you the archetypal hopeless romantic? Who is that girl who is in breathlessly in love with a very married and unavailable Sagittarius? And for how long now? Before that wasn't there a very married Capricorn British actor. Then there was the also married and unavailable co-worker. thumbs up, eh? Hardly surprising given your track record.
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Elysia Knowflake Posts: 2245 From: Gotham Registered: Aug 2015
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posted January 03, 2017 09:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Hey!! Aren't you the archetypal hopeless romantic? Who is that girl who is in breathlessly in love with a very married and unavailable Sagittarius? And for how long now? Before that wasn't there a very married Capricorn British actor. Then there was the also married and unavailable co-worker. thumbs up, eh? Hardly surprising given your track record.
That's extremely vicious and uncalled for. IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 2729 From: 50% earth 50% zeta reticuli Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 03, 2017 10:19 PM
i dont think nine even believes the words they say. it is kind of trolling, joking with others and not meaning the wordIP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 2729 From: 50% earth 50% zeta reticuli Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 03, 2017 10:22 PM
but she might have been right about the outcome of this relationship and maybe that is why they were pulled to say what she saidIP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Knowflake Posts: 3863 From: UNITED STATES, BABY Registered: Jan 2012
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posted January 03, 2017 10:23 PM
I didn't read any of this But I will tell you Sagittarius men are confusing but they will tell you the truth as they see it Scorpios will lie if they need to preserve your feelings I DO NOT TRUST SCORPIOS
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soren Knowflake Posts: 2729 From: 50% earth 50% zeta reticuli Registered: Sep 2012
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posted January 03, 2017 10:23 PM
i think if there truly was a special conection, it would happen because it NEEDED to, IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 2870 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted January 03, 2017 10:46 PM
Soren, you are correct. quote:
but she might have been right about the outcome of this relationship and maybe that is why they were pulled to say what she said
In astrology it is the MOON SIGN that gives a person FEELINGS. The feeling of love, the feeling of attraction, the feeling of lust. If you want to know how a person feels about you, look at their moon sign.
In the synastry posted, OP's pMoon recently left Sagittarius, thus she feels the residual attraction this aspect (Sun conj Moon) denotes. However, it is a separating aspect so too weak to bring two people together since the planets are moving apart. On the other hand, the Sagittarius' pMoon is neither in conjunction with either OP's nSun or nAsc, the aspects which denotes attraction and feelings for another person. In addition to this the Sagittarius' pMoon isn't in conjunct to OP's pMoon or nMoon. Thus, OP is affected with the residual effects of a separating conjunction, however Sag's isn't as affected because his feeling planet is untouched. For this reading and rational conclusion I was called ridiculous, that labeling was supported and 'thumbs up' by others. Their argument, "Astrology IS valid, however, you can't draw any concrete conclusions from it..." IP: Logged |