posted November 25, 2014 10:53 AM            

Each case has to be decided on the facts.

ANY color politics or justice is HORRIBLE.

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posted November 25, 2014 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My Friends, justice should have NO color. That is the problem here.

Each case has to be decided on the facts.

ANY color politics or justice is HORRIBLE.

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Exactly, it devastates me that no one listened to the facts that were heavily discussed before making the annoucement.

Disgusting, racist world we live in. His color should have never even mattered, because it was never once about that. This is and will forever be a right and wrong issue, not a black or white issue.

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posted November 25, 2014 12:14 PM            

Read the evidence, not heavily opinionated articles.

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/ferguson-shooting/

posted November 25, 2014 12:17 PM            

There have been a lot of bad cops, in the past, but each case has to be looked at on it's own.

There are a lot of good cops, too.

No one should pay for the crimes of the past--either black or white.

Each person sits and pays on his own.

If not, there will be utter chaos!

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posted November 25, 2014 12:51 PM            

Systemic racism is something continually swept under the rug because society willingly tolerates racism. It is sad to me in 2014 that we are still dealing with racism, and that young black men have to fear for their lives, because if you simply raise your hands up, this is justification to brutally kill you with excessive force. I would like to think I am going to live to see a shift in society towards a true justice system, but that in itself is merely wishful thinking.

I don't even want to touch on the tear gas, killing of innocent citizens, but that in itself makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. I have said this before and will say it again: the militarization of the police was one of the worst decisions the US has made recently.

The message of Michael Brown's and Traevon Martin's story is that African-Americans have no value in society. If the cop was African-American and the teenager white, the narrative would be completely different. The cop would have been vilified as a mean and reprehensible monster, and the white kid a poor innocent victim of a deranged black cop. The only population that has less value than African-African men are sadly African-American women as Chiemi pointed out, as when crimes are committed against them the media could care less to report them.

If anyone has the time I highly recommend you follow Jesse Williams on twitter: his commentary is incredible and perhaps a little tough at times because it truly speaks to the systemic racism rampant in America. Additionally, I advise people to do their research on McCullough, as his previous history shows many questionable legal actions and highlighted a problem from the start. Another point to consider is having 9 whites and 3 blacks on the jury. For a contentious issue like this, you need more heterogeneity.

So, what is the solution? Knowledge. Knowledge is power, and knowledge derives from education. Rioting and causing damage, and won't help us progress as a society. The community, particularly the African-American community, has every right to be angry. But to really make the changes we want in the world, we need to be the change. We need to educate youth from the start, I'm talking middle and high-school courses on explaining what systemic racism is and how we can fight it. Don't sit in apathy when voting takes place- be proactive! Get involved in organizations and spread the word. When enough people are educated on the realities and dangers of systemic racism, I firmly believe we will head in the right direction.

Be angry, but challenge that anger to drive you into taking action. Change is never easy, but when enough people take a stance and put their foot down, we can truly make a difference.

Michael Brown may have said "I give up" before being murdered, but I refuse to give up. We deserve better.

posted November 25, 2014 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Is rioting and torching businesses the answer?

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Seems like it might be, given that the answer is not found in the judicial system. This "violence is not the answer" crap is quite a futile and rather hypocritical ideology to promote in defense of a government who has almost always resorted to war and violence to resolve it's political "conflicts". Like the "War on Terror" in Iraq to eradicate "WMDs" while covertly slurping up every drop of petrol and depleting the nation of its most valuable resource. "Oops, sorry that all these soldiers and civilians died in vain. We didn't find the WMDs *sigh*, but guess what folks? WE FOUND OIL! "

To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It's not only a law of physics but, in some cases, a law of human nature and psychology.

The question of moral culpability is almost useless given that there is a clear imbalance of epistemic power between the opposing parties. The scale was never balanced to begin with and thus, it is no surprise that it continues to tip over.

The question shouldn't be "Is rioting and torching business the answer?" This question comes from a place of political and social privilege. It doesn't come from a place of critical thought about the "other" that is constantly being othered

The question should be: "What went so wrong that rioting and torching business became the answer?"

There is a root to every crisis and we should be utilizing our mental energy to understand the root instead of focusing on the representation of the root of the problem.

This whole dilemma is slowly transforming from a social justice issue into a political justice issue. And everything that needs to happen, is happening for a reason. Color blindness is an implicit form of racism. Never forget that.

These are just my thoughts.

posted November 25, 2014 01:10 PM            

The answer IS found in the judicial system. It is supposed to be BLIND and it must be--to any race!

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posted November 25, 2014 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am VERY depressing at the divisions in this country. I truly feel devastated.

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Me too, Ami, me too.

The only thing we can do is teach our children, grandchildren, younger siblings, younger generation that right is right, wrong is wrong. Morals need to be top priority. The police are NOT the enemy.

The black community is very, very sad. I am black, and have many family members of black and white background. Many blacks teach their children to hate the police, which in return creates aggression and hostility towards them. How can you expect to be treated fairly and greatly, when you don't treat others the same? Why are citizens who are hostile treated as if that hostility never existed? If you are aggressive and create a threat towards those who's jobs are meant to protect you, expect aggression back. So many police officers, along with citizens of course, are killed due to violence. Violence is not the answer.

As a black person myself, many blacks are racists, especially those of lower income, and are the reason why this entire thing has turned into a race war. My husband is white, I've only ever dated white guys and you know how I'm treated by other blacks? Poorly, judged, I'm even called "a white girl" as if being white is a bad thing, and only whites are educated and speak like an educated person. We're gawked at by any black person that sees us together. The black community needs a serious wake up call, let go of this 1950s and 60s aggression, we're going backwards instead of forward. Education is the key, not ignorance.

posted November 25, 2014 01:16 PM            

"I don't see race, therefore race doesn't exist." Oh, but it does exist. And its consequences are very real. Refusing to acknowledge race as both a sociopolitical phenomena and a critical issue is to perpetuate implicit and systematic racism.

posted November 25, 2014 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Color blindness, as a concept, implies that one disregards the ramifications of race and turns a blind eye on systematic racism and the history responsible for it at an attempt to assume a place of epistemic ignorance.

"I don't see race, therefore race doesn't exist." Oh, but it does exist. And its consequences are very real. Refusing to acknowledge race as both a sociopolitical phenomena and a critical issue is to perpetuate implicit and systematic racism.

There's more to this than meets the eye.

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Ok, I actually trust "arguing" with you. If that makes sense. You're my friend and a good enough one that I think we both respect each other enough, to be adults. I guess that's what I mean.

posted November 25, 2014 01:56 PM            

We are in 2014, the world has changed and continues to change. It's the *blank on blank* crimes that need to be addressed and changed. Everyone hates each other and aren't willing to fix the problem. That's the issue and what needs to be fixed and focused on first.

posted November 25, 2014 01:56 PM            

There have been horrible sins against black people.

There are no words for them but there will NEVER be enough payback to make it right.

It can't be made right--EVER-- because it is in the PAST.

The past can't be changed.

If people try to punish innocent people in the PRESENT for the past, it will be total and complete chaos

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posted November 25, 2014 02:04 PM            

People will hate people who are different.

People will hate people of different groups.

It is human nature and can never be made right while we are on the earth imo

Each person can just try to love the best he can and it is not easy especially when you see such evil in people this world.

This is my dilemma and I don't do very well with it lol

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posted November 25, 2014 03:04 PM            

(1) Brown stole cigarillos from a neighborhood bodega.

(2) Brown had marijuana in his bloodstream.

(3) Brown walked down the middle of the road of Canfield Drive.

(4) Brown's blood was found on Wilson's gun, indicating a wound from a close proximity point blank shot.

(5) Brown's DNA was found inside the police SUV, again indicating an initial close proximity shooting.

From the above facts, I would surmize:

(a) one shouldn't be a thug.

(b) if one were a thug, one really ought not to be arrogant enough to walk down the middle of a street after robbing a bodega.

(c) one ought not to be a stupid mofo and stick one's hands into a police cruiser when told to halt, and one ought to use best judgment when a cop has a loaded gun pointed in one's direction.

In addition, one would be a stupid fool to vandalize and loot one own's neighborhood in anger. Why not just take it out on the rich neighborhood instead? One's children and oneself may need to eat at that McDonalds - probably the source of cheap food - that was just trashed the next day. When angry, one ought to consider making the rich white folk suffer instead of trashing the businesses of your own ethnic group. I would make parallels to primates, but that would be insulting to the intelligence of primates.

Back to being a thug... If one aspires to be a thug, being one on Wall Street appears to be a much more enrichening enterprise.