posted February 13, 2003 10:25 AM              

Welcome to the thread. If you scroll down to "Calling all Lunar Scorpios" and read some of the posts there, you'll find a lot in common with those of us who have the Moon in Scorpio. Some technical difficulties developed with the posts not showing up in that thread though, so Randall started this one, a continuation of the original. This is now the place to share your thoughts/feelings. BTW, my Moon is 4 degrees Scorpio in the 8th...and I cry easily too.

Hi to all my Moonbuddies!

posted February 13, 2003 07:50 PM            

So, it got better as I got older. I seem to have more of a hold on my emotions and can wait until I am alone to let the tears start rollin, which they still do often but atleast I don't have to feel embarassed by doing it infront of people.

posted February 13, 2003 07:51 PM            

It's perhaps a testament to Scorpio's unique feature of having 3 symbols.
The scorpion takes the desire for vengeance and goes with it, hurting others without regard.
The grey lizard takes those vengeful feelings and turns them inward to onesself, and they eat away at her.
The eagle or pheonix transforms the vengeance into a positive, creative force and uses that to metaphorically soar above and beyond such lower instincts and do some good in the world.

So maybe letting the vengeful feelings out in the form of tears is the first step to moving beyond one of the other two forms, on the path to becoming a pheonix.
I dunno, just some rambling thoughts.
Do they make sense to anyone else?

By the way, what's your sun sign, Annie?

Bright Blessings of Peace and Love,

Harpyr

posted February 13, 2003 08:39 PM              

oh i don't believe it!!! i also have the same problem

whenever i get worked up about something or really mad, i seem to shed tears even though i'm not hurt or anything, and when i speak you can practically hear the torrent of emotion coming out, i got called "cry baby"

is this unusual for lunar Scorpios? i mean aren't they usually very controlled when it comes to their feelings

Harpyr

i think you've a point there

i'm still learning to transmute my feelings, since feelings is a form of energy and we cannot destroy energy..so uh all those emotions that we'd lets say few months ago may still be in us waiting to be changed??

posted February 15, 2003 06:22 AM              

This is interesting, I didn't think that other people cry so often, I just thought that this is what we Cancers do (and I hate that about myself), being so vulnerable and touchy
When I was younger, I'd often burst into tears in front of other people or, more often, run away in tears. The most embarrassing moment was in highschool in front of the blackboard. It looked like I cried because I didn't know the answer to the teacher's question, but it was because of my problems that I had that day and under pressure the lid just came off and out came my tears... So embarrassing.
I cry easily, but most Cancers do, but I always cry when someone does me wrong, and these are "angry tears". When someone attacks me unjustly, I get very emotional, so I can't express myself verbally and defend myself - this is a huge frustration for me. Later I know exactly what I'd say, but it's too late...

Sometimes I wish they still had duels like in the old times. But not with firearms or swords, just simple fistfights. That way you could challenge the one who's done you wrong and at least let out your bottled up anger, even if you don't win, instead of dragging on these resentments for years. I don't know why they say duels are barbaric - they're a heck of a lot less barbaric than fights in pubs or streets, for example, or plotting and stabbing someone in the back out of revenge. And you can always refuse a duel, but you can't refuse someone punching you in the face on the street. Well, you can, but that's a whole different story...

Yeah, Ice Mists, I must also try very hard not to cry when I get worked up, because I get so emotional - it seems like the rational side of my mind shuts down and my huge emotional tank opens up...

posted February 15, 2003 06:24 AM              

Me too, I firmly believe that feelings are the most powerful energy there is (maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think) and I'm also trying to convert it and especially to direct it into something useful. I think what we talked about bursting lightbulbs and extinguishing street lamps is just undirected energy released and unspent - it has to be released and destroy something since it was not directed. At least that is what I believe happens in my case. When I'm really upset, things that run on electricity stop working. And then later they miraculously start working again... So I think this is a proof of this emotional energy at work.

I think emotional people (and Lunar Scorps are one of the most emotional people, if not the most) have to use this latent power, that was given to them in the form of energy, for good. That's why Moon in Scorpio is so powerful. Emotional power is huge and one can do wonders with it if only they can learn how to direct it so that it doesn't harm them (self-pity, self-destruction in form of bottled up hurt and anger) or others. Eeasier said than done, I know...

Harpyr,
I HOPE you're right about tears being a path to becoming and Eagle.

Ice Mists,
this is a really interesting question!!! Are these feelings that we keep inside unresolved just waiting to be transformed? Well that's the only logical explanation.
What do you all think?

Till later!

posted February 15, 2003 10:11 AM              

This is a really interesting subject, and it got me to thinking. When I was very young, I would hold my feelings in till I was alone, then unleash the tears into my pillow. I remember being 6 years old, and a boy I liked hurt me when he started liking one of my friends (I know...awfully young to have a "boyfriend", lol...but he "pursued" me and was my first crush...we Lunar Scorps begin early... Anyway, I didn't show my pain in school; I would have been mortified if my classmates had seen me upset. I went home, straight to my room and cried my little 6-year-old heart out...I told NO ONE. Then when I was 9, and a sweet little 4-year-old girl whom I was like a big sister to died of leukemia...I did the same thing. I sobbed until my eyes swelled up, yet I didn't share my grief even with my Mother...and though she knew anyway, she respected my need to keep silent.

But when I was 11 and my beloved maternal grandmother died suddenly and unexpectedly, I went completely the opposite way. I remember the day after, my Dad told me I could stay home from school but I insisted on going...then cried all over the place and wound up not participating in anything going on. Thereafter and throughout my teens and twenties I felt completely powerless to control my emotions at all...and it was during this time that my hysterics began to frighten people away. I was so easily upset, that at age 15 I developed the early stages of a stomach ulcer from crying so HARD and was put on Valium for nearly a year. Of course I didn't act this way for no reason; I was 15 when our family moved from the city to the suburbs and I had an awful time adjusting, harboring a lot of resentment towards my parents for uprooting me, etc.

posted February 15, 2003 10:12 AM              

It wasn't until I became a Mother myself that I learned to re-channel my intensity. And it is SO true: there is a lot of POWER in our emotions. I said a while ago in this thread that it was my Scorp Moon which gave me the ability to be strong for my children when my marriage broke up...somehow I took all those feelings (and no one feels the pain of betrayal stronger than a Lunar Scorp) and focussed on two things: protecting my children and maintaining my own dignity. And we survived!!!

I also think it's interesting that despite my Gemini Sun and Mercury...I never "thought" about what I was doing but operated purely on instinct. I feel that says a lot about the power of Scorpio Moon. Or is that the case with any Moonsign when strong emotions are involved? Just wondering.

Bye for now!

posted February 15, 2003 11:02 PM              

even when it's directed at the perpetrator sometimes there is no intention to hurt at all, it's just that the feeling that needs to be discharged is associated with that person, it's analogous to a dunce stepping onto a rake right in front of him and wham! hits them on the head, and then they had the decency to curse the rake ha!

anyhow that's my defence against "revenge"

Plutonian energy will find an outlet one way or another

hi Twin Lady
hi everyone

posted February 16, 2003 01:21 PM              

Is this emotional depth really because of your Scorp moons or because you are women?

posted February 16, 2003 09:50 PM              

Yes, you must have had quite a time, trying to adjust from Chicago to LA! I'll bet you've got a few stories to tell.

Thinking back now...I'd say my resentment towards my parents had ended by time I moved out on my own at 19. Once I had the freedom to live WHERE I wanted, and HOW I wanted, I was okay; also the space that moving out provided enabled me to appreciate them more, and I've stayed close with regular phonecalls and visits all the years since. My Mother's gone now, but I still visit my Dad weekly and phone him usually once during the week to see how he's doing (he's a Diabetic and heart patient).

Funny...thinking about your question gave me some insight on the present situation I'm in with my own daughter. I know now that when she's ready to leave, the best I can do for her, myself and our relationship, is let her go with love. Thanks LL; without realizing it, you've helped me a lot.

As for your question about emotional depth belonging to women in general or Scorp Moon in particular...as a woman with lots of water in my chart, I think I'm more emotional than most people, man or woman. I can't catagorize others though, because I've known very emotional men (a few, lol) and some pretty cold, hard women (again, a few) as well. It's probably a person's natal chart, combined with their backgrounds, life experiences, etc. that determine how deep one's emotions go (just my thoughts).

Hi other Moonmates!

posted February 17, 2003 06:12 AM              

Twinlady,
I think that when our emotions are stirred, our Moons take over and that's it, you react the way that your Moon knows how to. And especially when you needed to protect your children, your motherly instinct which is our Moon took over all the more. I think that people with Cancer and Pisces Moons are also very emotional, but in a different way - with Cancers the emotions are right beneath the surface, always ready to jump out, that's one of the reasons why we're so moody and visibly (!) emotional, while with Pisces it's a universal emotionality which I don't quite understand, it's so ethereal and all-ecompassing, it's like it stretches into other dimensions. Pisces I think absorbs everything like a sponge and if the person doesn't excercise his will, he (or she) will be like a straw in the wind, helpless against all the feelings that he absorbs. It's similar with Scorp Moons, but we take them inside and make them personal which I think Pisces Moons don't. I really don't know. Lost Leo, help us out here, will ya

Haha, Ice Mists, right! I wish people would watch their step That reminds me: my mother and my sister used to tease me that I behave like a cat whose tail someone has stepped on.
Yeah, Pluto is the higher octave of Mars, which makes it all the more powerful - it forces until it completes its task. My favourite planet of all.

Lost Leo,
I think being a woman has a lot to do with being more in touch with my emotions, but I think this is very much connected to women's traditional role (which is now changing) of mother and wife which compells us to be involved with our emotional life, while men's traditional role is to go out and make a career to be a good provider, which leaves them less time to think about themselves (or less interested is the right word I think), but I think men in general are more inclined to be assertive and active, and this is because of their hormonal balance - they usually have more testosterones than women and that's the real difference I think. Dominant and assertive women probably have a higher level of testosterones.
I think there's a reason for emotional people to be so emotional - that's their strength and talent to be put to use, and the same goes for more rational people. There's a reason for everything and we're here to learn to work with what we've got.
And what Twinlady said.

Till later!

posted February 18, 2003 12:03 PM              

Twinlady, it's so great that you put yourself in your daughter's shoes, so many parents neglect to see the other side.
And yes, I had some stories. I had to startover with NO FRIENDS in CA TWICE in two DIFFERENT high schools. I was the new kid TWICE! I still have some resentment, but it made me so very strong emotionally, grade school can be cruel to the unlucky. But now I look back at it as another very difficult obstacle in life I've overcome and other people haven't, I'm a better man for it.

Morgana, I not too good at expressing that emotional side to me but,

"Pisces I think absorbs everything like a sponge and if the person doesn't exercise his will, he (or she) will be like a straw in the wind, helpless against all the feelings that he absorbs."

You hit it right on the head!
Absorb is the key word, I feel like I'm in tune to everyone's emotional state in the room, blended with my Sun's social ability it really helps me to keep a room happy, or keep the conversation flowing in a way where everyone gets to say what they want and no one gets offennded.
There's other times when I feel that a close friend is upset and I become anxious, almost upset too, I get the vibration and want to throw it away!

posted February 19, 2003 06:17 AM              

Yes it is a gift, you're lucky to be able to combine these very different qualities in you, I've known quite a few Leos (my sister, for one) and they often have trouble seeing beyond their egos. But I love their generousity and warmth, they have so much love to give and such a big heart, sometimes I truly get the feeling like I'm bathing in the Sun in their presence. The higher-evolved Leos are like light attracting and chasing away the darkness around them

posted February 20, 2003 06:56 AM              

Thanks everyone else for their replies also.It's nice to know I'm not the only "Cry Baby" out here. hahaha

I do feel better after I cry myself out. It releass all of my emotions and I don't build them up,too much. I think us Scorp Moons always hold a little in to have a good cry for "later".

My hubby has learned that I cry when I'm happy or sad. At first he was "freaked".He didn't know what to think! He would give me something sweet( romantic Taurus), and I would cry my eyes out!!

My mom makes me cry the most. I must have beat her in a past life, cause I'm paying for it now!!

I'm a Virgo Sun, Taurus Asc,and Scorp moon.
But I'm on the cusp of Virgo and Libra,Sept. 20th.
I have to always "figure out" why I'm crying too!!!hahaha

posted February 20, 2003 08:58 AM              

The only thing that makes me feel better is knowing that James Dean, Liz Taylor and our own Linda Goodman were born with a Scorpio moon too!

BTW, are any of you familiar with a book called "Moon Signs" by Donna Cunningham? I seem to have lost it (along with all my Linda Goodman books) during my last move...but as I recall it was an excellent resource.

posted February 20, 2003 02:12 PM              

LL

Yes, what Morgana said about your Pisces Moon being a gift: Humble Pisces, encompassing Leo "ego". Please don't take offense because none is intended, believe me. As I said in an earlier post, I too appreciate Leo's warmth and big heart. You have shown the capacity to learn from any mistakes you may have made, as re your relationship with the Scorpio lady. Good for you!

Annie

I always feel better after a "good cry". I think it's because there is a lot of energy in emotions and crying releases it. I certainly feel calmer afterwards.

(continued)

posted February 20, 2003 02:14 PM              

Welcome WakeUpMaggie!

I relate very well to what you said about Gemini vs Scorpio energy as my Sun is Gemini, and I mentioned in a recent post how I go in circles trying to analyze my feelings, then when I think I have it all figured out, I get hit again with an INTENSE reaction to something going on...can be frustrating, lol. I guess the best way to look at it is...we at least are able to understand why we behave the way we do...for a while, anyway!

Hi Morgana, Harpyr, Ice Mists!

Till later...

posted February 22, 2003 12:29 AM              

I haven't been around for a while, so I just thought I'd pop my noggen in to say G'Day to all of my moonbuddies.......so, 'HI' all

and welcome to the newbies...

poops

posted February 22, 2003 05:56 AM              

Hi Twinlady and Poops, so good to see you again!

WakeUpMaggie (BTW, that's one of the most hilarious names I've seen in this forum! ), I can understand your day/night personality you have going on with your Leo contradicting your Scorp, as I have a Leo Asc. (so does Harpyr) and many times I feel pulled in completely opposite directions because of this, I often feel as if I had a multiple personality, haha. And your Gemini definitely adds to this confusion.
Yes, I have Moon Signs by Donna Cunningham and it's very good. It was a while back when I read it, but then I thought it was great. I must see the Scorp Moon chapter again to see if I still think so...
BTW, Linda had a Libra Moon, not Scorpio.

Hi, Lost Leo and Annie!

posted February 22, 2003 07:19 AM              

BTW, how do you guys get all those cool animated graphics in your posts? I'm jealous!