posted February 05, 2003 04:51 AM              

Just wanted to say hello to all of you, and see you later!

posted February 05, 2003 03:16 PM              

Poops, (I thought I'd use your favorite icon )
that's a great story. Thanks for telling us how it was. It would be interesting to go to one of these shows just to see the reaction of the people. Personally I always find that far more interesting than the show itself. And to take in the atmosphere that is created by these mass gatherings. But I don't like crowds and mass hysteria. But this show that you went to actually sounds positive from the way you described it. Maybe you picked something up on some subconscious level, some positive vibe that you took with you on to the partying afterwards...

Mazz, welcome!!
How very true... Finally an astrologer with a Scorp Moon, who really knows what it's like.

posted February 05, 2003 03:17 PM              

AstrlGypsy,
no particular combination is particularly drawn to astrology, we are all pieces in the puzzle, every sign has its role in life and therefore also in astrology.
I'm not very advanced in astrology myself, I just studied it for a while back and forgot a lot in the meanwhile. If you want to learn more, you'll do that in your own way, the one that suits YOU best. As for myself, I read some books on astrology, everything I could get my hands on, and tried to apply that knowledge in practice (asking people what their sign is, their Asc., their Moon sign etc., and compare that to what I had already learned). Otherwise it's just like any other science and art: it's all about knowledge and practice (based on some talent and interest ). That's the best advice I can give you. Good luck!

Hey Lost Leo,
good to see you again!
This is a really good question!
But my lunar-emotion-ruled state is still quite the same and it was: NEVER carefree and happy. I'm desperately trying to make myself happy, but it seems that I'm just not made out to be that way. Misery is where I feel at home. Sad but true.

posted February 05, 2003 03:17 PM              

I think if I'd express all the emotions that go through me daily, I'd be in prison long ago for excessive use of force or violent behaviour, and if not, everybody who doesn't already hate me, would, because I'm not very pleasant when I'm upset, and I'm upset very frequently. And if I'd express all my positive feelings in the way that I actually feel them, I'd probably be put in a lunatic asylum with the rest of the loonies. And if I'd say everything I feel in the WAY that I feel it, people would be scared away from me even more than they are now. I think intensity scares people more than anything. It's uncomfortable and unpleasant and unattractive.
I'm fortunate enough to be able to express my feelings to my b/f, and even he can't stand them many times, it's too intense and I understand that. It's a difficult load to bear.
But to answer your question, I definitely feel better when I do express my emotions, but afterwards I feel very vulnerable and uncomfortable for bearing my soul to someone, so I do that only with people I can really trust. It feels like opening a wound and I just want to cover it up again so I can crawl back in my den and wait for it to heal by myself...

To answer your final question: "Would we be TRULY living in the moment if we could live in our emotions? As opposed to keeping them in us for hours/days/months/years where they can become twisted, repressed, unspent... to generalize, wasted..."

I live in my emotions, Lost Leo, and I keep them all in me, but I don't think emotions are ever wasted. The emotional energy is the strongest of all, it survives anything, and it's all around us.

Hi Twinlady,
how're you holding up?

See you later! In this or the other thread...

posted February 06, 2003 02:32 PM              

Well, I guess the other thread has worn itself out, so I'll continue posting here.

Hey Morgana

What you said in your last posts...I identify SO MUCH with. I, too, feel all my emotions so strongly, so deeply and so intensely that if I were to go around expressing them freely to any and all around me, I'd be locked up by now...either in jail or the nuthouse. It does scare people. And yet, when I examine my own feelings I actually think they're quite "sane"...or maybe the more accurate words are "honest" and "real". I don't know. Sometimes I think it's not me, but the rest of the world that's crazy. Harsh experiences have taught me that people would rather play games than be genuine. It also seems that "playing the game" is what brings success <<<< in whatever way success is defined by the individual. I don't like game-playing myself and have a barely-concealed contempt for those around me who do this (I can spot it right away; and what's "sane" about being phoney?), yet I'm the one made to feel like the odd one out. Go figure...

>>>continued>>>

posted February 06, 2003 02:37 PM              

Thank you for asking how I'm holding up. Unfortunately, my answer is "not well at all". Last week my older daughter spent two days at the house of my ex friend's daughter, then came home and told me she was invited to move in with this person and her BF. My daughter is at the age where she is thinking about moving out and I do not have a problem with that per se; I was just her age when I left my parental home. But if she should decide to move in with the person who more than anyone else, is responsible for making what started as a misunderstanding with my friend into what I now see as a relationship beyond repair by sticking her nose in where it didn't belong...I WILL have a problem with it. But I'm "not supposed" to feel betrayed!? Yeah, right. I've said over and over, all I want is peace, yet what is now going on now makes it virtually impossible. I can only hope that in time I will become indifferent, but this too, is a pretty foreign word to me. I'm at the point where I'm grasping in vain, for some objectivity about this and can only project ahead, TELLING myself that I'll be okay eventually.

Anyway, as I also said before, I'm grateful that I'm NOT alone with my feelings, even if it means coming to this forum to share them. It's strange...how being a Lunar Scorp and having trouble expressing my deepest, most vulnerable feelings...I feel safe doing just that here. Thanks Morgana and everyone, for listening and being so supportive.

posted February 06, 2003 03:06 PM              

Morgana,
Yes. you are very observant as I do love this icon, it's so over the top happy, isn't it!

And yes, the John Edward show did have very positive vibes!

Welcome Mazz

I love Johnathan Cainer, but had no idea that he was a Scorp moon too......how very cool!

Stay strong Twin Lady

posted February 08, 2003 04:24 AM              

Try occupying yourself with something to keep your mind off this thing, or listen to other people's problems, that always does the trick for me - it helps me get my mind off mine, it makes me realise that I'm not the only one with problems, and it also makes me happy that I don't have their problem(s) - helps me focus on the good things that I do have in my life.

Sorry for preaching, I'll step down from my soapbox now, hope I haven't annoyed you too much. Like Poops said: Be strong!

Hi, poops!
Yes, this is one of the best icons here. I like this one too:

posted February 09, 2003 07:52 AM              

Once again I want to thank you for taking the time to consider what I've been sharing recently and making several well-thought-out suggestions as to how I can get through it. And no, I don't feel you're being preachy at all; only caring and sensitive to the Lunar Scorp reactions. It's great receiving that kind of understanding, isn't it? .

Essentially, I agree with everything you mentioned. I'm honestly okay with my daughter moving out; it really is time, I think. I remember how I felt right before I left home...I couldn't wait! And my Mother (Cancer Sun) had a difficult time letting me go, causing an unpleasant scene the day I actually moved out.

The irony is that I promised myself I would not be that way with MY children, and now I find my own Cancerian influences coming to the forefront (Mars, Jupiter and Uranus all in Cancer plus the 4th and 5th houses, respectively). In this situation with my daughter...it is WHOM she is considering moving in with, much more than the fact that she wants to move out...that is bothering me. My reasons for this go beyond my problems with the daughter or her mother, the ex friend. Let's just say that this young woman has done (and still does) things that could be perceived as unsavory, unethical, or worse, and I'd rather not see my daughter entangled in any of it. However since she is strong-willed, I realize she is going to do what she wants and my worrying about it won't change anything. She, like most of us I guess, will have to learn for herself.

But...and you are right about this...the more I am able to demonstrate the Aquarian energy of detaching and letting go, the better it will go for my daughter AND me. I know from experience that when I succeed in doing this, I feel literally as though a great weight has been lifted from me; actually physically lighter and more energetic, plus calmer inside. Soooooo, wish me luck, because it looks like I will be having lots of opportunities to utilize that Aquarian energy!

Also, it isn't as though I have nothing else to focus on. With all the Saturn/Pluto activity in relation to my natal chart I have been in a transitional phase for some time now, and I'm realizing how the influence of Aquarius is helping me here, too. I truly am "reinventing" myself, as my role of Mom and Caretaker is lessening (though of course will never end completely) and I'm trying to figure out who "I" am and where I go from here. Oh, well...enough reflecting for now, lol. Morgana, thanks for the encouragement and understanding.

Hi to my other Moonmates!

posted February 10, 2003 05:54 AM              

I does seem that this is one of the turning points in your life... Maybe it is your turn now, your Scorp Moon forcing you (Pluto asks first, and then he forces if something has to be changed) somehow to finish a chapter in your life, cleansing you through pain, compelling you to face what's necessary and then move on, in a Pluto-like manner - completely and thoroughly.

You have quite strong Cancer energy, if you have (especially) Mars in Cancer - your actions and energy are Cancerian, and furthermore, Jupiter is exalted in Cancer.

(By the way, Poops, I messed up again: Moon is not exalted in Pisces or in the 12th, Venus is!!! Sorry!!! )

It must be hard for a Gemini to carry around so much of this emotional stuff, especially when the Cancerian energy connects with the Moon in Scorpio (I should know, right) and your Pisces Ascendant... You have a lot of water in your chart, even more than me, and I'm a Cancer.
I must say that my mother (she's a Gemini, by the way ) had the same problems with me and my sister when we were growing up and mixing with the wrong crowd in her opinion. She never trusted us to do the right thing, but we turned out more than OK, even by her standards which are very different from mine (we have slightly different values). I remember how she was against my sister moving out to a house together with some really dubious characters (even I thought so at the time, and besides she was only 18) and she was hanging out with some friends who were only using her. She was very kind-hearted and naive and she fell for it, but sooner or later she realized that and got rid of them. Well, time heals everything, I guess.
Now my mother is the happiest in the world - she finally got what she wanted all her life: two successful daughters (well, at least my sister is, I'm still more of a black sheep, but I'm doing OK), a quiet and happy family life, and understanding with her daughters. We all talk like friends now - something I couldn't even imagine when I was younger. But it's such a classic story, isn't it?

I wish you strength and love, Twinlady.

Hi to all my other Moonbuddies!

posted February 10, 2003 12:54 PM              

Yes, it is hard being a Gemini with so much water...and it emphasizes the "multi-personality" traits typical of Gemini to begin with. I am mostly Water (7, including Ascendant and Juno) and Air (4, including Chiron in Aqua.) Add to that having only 1 Earth (Venus in Taurus) and 1 Fire (Pluto in Leo), and you can see the problems I have, lol. I live mostly in my emotions and mind...but of course have to deal with the CONCRETE...

Anyway...I've decided the only way I can cope with what is going on is to put as much distance between it and myself as possible, keeping busy with practical matters, and taking care of me. What happens, happens; it is not my responsibility anymore. Now if I could just figure out a way to stop hurting. Easier said than done, especially with the Moon and Venus both in fixed signs; but I suppose in time the pain will lessen.

I'm going to try and "shut up" about all this, at least for now! Again, thanks for your help. I may not be able to forget an injustice, but the upside of that is not forgetting a KINDNESS, either! Take care...hi to everyone else.

posted February 11, 2003 06:08 AM              

OK. Stay strong.

Yes, it does emphasize the multiple personality aspect, you're absolutely right, I never thought of it that way, and the more so since Cancer is a very moody sign. And your Geminiian nature just wants to EXPLAIN and rationalize it all (furthermore, this is kinda your "purpose" in life), doesn't it? That's why I said it must be hard, first of all exhausting, because the rationalization of feelings is never quite satisfying - just when you think you got it, your feelings jump on you from the ambush and leave you all baffled. And then you have to start all over again (this is my Venus in Gemini talking ).

I see you have a fire and an earth singleton, just like me. I've just been to the Water Singleton thread discussing it. I think you might find it interesting.

Till later...

posted February 11, 2003 11:05 AM              

Thanks for the tip about the singleton thread; I just put my 2 cents in there.

You hit the nail right on the head when you said I rationalize my feelings! Having not only the Sun but also Mercury in Gemini...I'm a rationalizer par excellence. And YES: just when I think I've "got it", along come the intense emotions again out of left field, which puts me right back to square one. It's like going in circles! Anyway, thanks for the insight.

TTYL...Hi to everyone else!

posted February 11, 2003 05:24 PM              

Roger That!!! re... the moon not being exalted in PISCES or the 12th.

No need for sorries!

Hi again to Everyone

posted February 11, 2003 06:41 PM            

I'm sorry to hear your trouble on the homefront have become more complicated, TwinLady. I'm sure you will stay strong though.

Poops, that's too bad that the John Edwards show isn't as impressive in real life as on t.v. but I'm not surprised I guess. It's not the sort of thing that would lend itself well to large crowds anyway, I suppose.

A singleton? I've never heard that term before..I gather that is when you only have one planet in a certain element.. In which case I have an earth singleton - Saturn in Virgo and an air - Pluto in Libra. Everything else is either Scorpio or Sagittarius or Leo. I'm going to go check out that other thread, I think.

HM. Morgana, I'm not sure exactly what the ASC conjuct the North Node would mean. Perhaps that the person whose ASC it is would play a major role in the karmic path of the person whose node it is conjoined to?
Just a vague thought.

Hey, did you all know that Linda Goodman was a lunar Scorpion as well?
I don't have her birth info on hand at this moment but I cast her chart awhile back and was tickled to find that out.

Bright Blessings to all!

posted February 12, 2003 06:02 AM              

Hi Poops and Harpyr, nice to see you again!

Harpyr,
thank you for that input about the NN, I'll think about it some more.

Wow, all three of us have Pluto as singleton. Did you read the interpretation on the site that Alena gave the link to in the Singleton thread? It's so related to Scorpio Moon traits that for some of the things I don't quite know what to attribute them to, my Scorp Moon or my Pluto singleton...

Harpyr, I don't think that Linda had Moon in Scorpio, but the love of her life, Robert Brewer, does. I clearly remember her words from Gooberz (have you read it?): "You and your darn Scorpio Moon last word." I remember that often when I'm having a fight with my b/f...

Which date did you take? April 9, 1925? (I think that's her official birth date, I'm not sure about the year though.) This makes her a Libra Moon. But there's some controversy over this - I read somewhere that this was not her actual birth date and that she changed it because she liked the number 9 vibration so much. But she was an Aries, though.
Does anyone know what her Asc. was? I forgot...

So much for now, see you later, my Moonbuddies!

posted February 12, 2003 04:38 PM            

I'm not sure where I got my information previously for her chart but I put the words Linda Goodman born April 9 in to Google and got this great article here: http://www.consciousevolution.com/Astrology/AboutLinda.htm

It lists her birth time as 8:23AM. Not because she ever revealed this but because it fits all the aspects she's ever mentioned in her chart. Her moon is at 24 degrees Libra..Probably I just had the time off by a bit because I had her moon as 5 degrees Scorpio. This article seems very thorough, so I am inclined to believe it..though I haven't read the whole thing yet.

Oh yeah, and that time makes her ASC Gemini.