posted May 16, 2003 10:29 AM              

It's interesting that your Moon is in Taurus and your son's is in Scorpio; my Moon's in Scorp and my younger daughter's Moon is in Taurus, just the opposite combination.

Okay, my relationship with my Mother. Very intense, very emotional (between the two of us there were MANY water placements)...and we loved each other deeply. We did have a way of pushing each others buttons, but I attribute that more to her Moon being in Aries square her Sun in Cancer, and my having Mars, Jupiter and Uranus all in Cancer. She also had Saturn conjunct my Pisces Ascendant, and a Gemini Ascendant conjunct my Mercury in Gemini. What aspects do you have with your son?

My Mother was moody and unpredictable, and she would say I was moody and temperamental, plus there was that whole "mother/daughter" thing stemming I think, from us KNOWING each others' flaws and the natural tendency to point them out to oneanother at times. I don't have a son, but I'm imagining it is not like that with mothers and sons based on the fact that my brother idealized my Mom, and she, him. In my case, I saw and knew her as she really was and sometimes I think that p****d her off, lol. At the same time, I believe it enabled us to actually be closer because neither of us had any fantasies about the other and could be REAL, even if it hurt occasionally. Does that make sense?

As a Lunar Scorpio "child", the biggest "negative" that existed where my Mother was concerned, was the fact that she had some secrets (which I, and only I, knew about)...and they only came to my Dad's and brother's attention after she passed, which was difficult for them. I won't go into details except to say that carrying this knowledge was at times not easy for me.

Speaking of her passing, it happened when she was 62 years old; and BTW...my Moon in Scorpio is also in my 8th house like your son's...so I wouldn't worry too much about dying young, okay?

I read somewhere that the mother of a Moon in Scorpio child could have problems with the child's blossoming sexuality. This applied to me somewhat, but again, she was a Cancer Sun and didn't want to let go of either of her "babies". I had to really struggle for my independence from her, while my brother (Capricorn Sun, Gemini Moon) didn't try but allowed her to fuss over him, and when she would attempt to do the same with me, I would remind her that I'm not my brother...which p****d her off too! LOL

But...rest assured wps...I loved my Mother very, very much and miss her every day. Any hurts she may have caused me I forgave her for a long time ago and ultimately it did NOT harm my relationship with her. She was human, not perfect; and I think I've had the advantage over my brother because I saw her as such and loved her all the more! Now that I'm a Mother I understand even better how she felt towards her children.

Please understand that all parents and children struggle with these issues and that it's a normal part of this deep bond which by definition, must change over time. I know...because I am dealing with the whole "letting go" of my own two teenage daughters...and having Mars in Cancer, it hasn't been easy.

About your and your son's Moons being opposite: are they within a few degrees, or just in opposite signs? My younger daughter's Moon is exactly opposite my Moon (4 degrees Taurus her, 4 degrees Scorpio me) so the opposition is keenly felt when in our case we occasionally get stubborn with each other.

The good part about your having a Taurus Moon is its stability, and I would think it will enable you to calm things if your son's emotions ever become turbulent; you would have a soothing effect on him, and I see that as GOOD.

Well, I hope this has helped you a little. I was honest in my perception of my relationship with my Mother. It was deep, strong, and never boring, lol. Try not to worry too much, and please remember that your and your child's Suns, Ascendants, Venus, Mars, Mercury, et al must also be considered when analyzing your relationship. The best "advice" I can give you is to just relax...love him, stand by him, be sensitive to his feelings...and he will reward you with undying loyalty and affection. This is my 2 cents' only; others here may have different experiences to share. My best wishes to you.

posted May 17, 2003 02:13 PM              

well, i am breathing a sigh of relief as i read about your experiences.. the only scorpio moons i know (well, my ex's moon was actually in aries in the 8th) had difficulties with their mothers. my ex's mom died when he was a teenager, another friend's mom was really controlling, and another just had this weird chaotic emotional dynamic with his mom, altho they did seem close.

i just woke up and i'm pretty tired, so i can't respond to you as thoroughly as i'd like to, but i'd really like to carry this conversation further, if possible! there is so much i wonder about with this interesting placement, and i'm due with baby number two in a little over 3 months, so i sorta want to have a better grasp before the baby comes, as i know our relationhip might be more strained, and he will likely feel somewhat emotionally abandoned when the new baby comes (since he's used to it just being mama and him..)

i wonder what your take is on karma and moon sign.. (interpret that word however you like!).. just curious, cuz his father (who he doesn't know) was super intense.. explosively so.. and i feel like in some ways he inherited some of this.. not in the same ways, but he is a pretty intense kid. tho, maybe that relates to him picking up my feelings about his father while in utero (i was actually scared of him). and then there's my last relationship (with the man he likely thot was his father, since we were together since he was a baby).. our composite (ex's and my) ascendant was scorpio, and we had a very intense relationship. it was heaven or it was hell.. so he likely internalized that emotionally.

i was gonna ask if there's any free software anywhere on the web to calculate aspects between a child and adult. astro.com won't let me.. i have manually done several. there are some great ones, and some crappy ones. for instance my sun/merc/mars in aqua squares his moon.. (as well as my own). i feel really crappy about that and try to consciously deal with him *from* my moon. actually, it's funny cuz i just got linda's relationship signs from the library and i guess moon opposite moon is really good. i sensed this, but i wasn't sure if it could be ultimately so. his moon is 16 degrees scorpio, mine is 21 degrees taurus. we have some really cool outer-planet aspects, that according to linda's book, seem to suggest we have alot of karma together, and that we'd work really well together in several different ways. i'm so tired, i'm blanking on them, but i'll come back and post them.

thank you for sharing your experience! also, i don't know if it's significant, but my north node is in my 8th (as well as saturn conujunct), and my MC is scorpio, so i guess you could say i'm sympathetic to, or at least am learning to connect to scorpio energy in this lifetime.. so that's gotta maybe be something positive between us, right?

posted May 18, 2003 02:43 AM              

Thank you for sharing some of the aspects you have with your son; I am not as knowledgeable as some others here, but I can give you my "take" on things and anyone else who cares to can do the same.

You mentioned karma and I can tell you this much: If memory serves, Linda has said that any tie between two people's charts involving Saturn, is a karmic tie, with "lessons" to be learned. When you think about it, this is not unusual between a parent and child, if you define karmic tie as meaning that the two have been together before in one or more past lifetimes (which I do). Also, I'm less sure of this...but I believe I heard somewhere that aspects to the nodes in a chart could indicate karmic ties as well.

I would agree that you are to experience the Scorpio energy in this present lifetime. Between your past relationships, your son's 8th house Scorp Moon, and your own 8th house Saturn conjunct the North Node, plus a Scorp MC...that's a lot of Scorpio. Intense, yes. Powerful, absolutely. Negative? Not necessarily. While I feel that all this Scorp/8th house activity can seem overwhelming at times, I also know that when approached with the right attitude, the lessons learned will be profound and long-lasting; and the strength gained, tremendous. I speak from personal experience because I not only have an 8th house Scorp Moon but also an 8th house Scorp Saturn at 16 degrees, which is in T-Square to my natal Pluto and Venus. So...I can relate to what you're saying, lol.

As for you anticipating your son being a little put out when the new baby comes - - please remember this is very normal with first children. I know; I'm a firstborn and I never did get over being "dethroned" when my brother came along! JK The fact that you are already sensitive to this is good, and I believe will make your son's adjustments go more smoothly when the time comes. I have a feeling your Taurus Moon is a real blessing!

Getting back to Saturn and karmic ties, I have them with both my daughters. My older daughter's Saturn is conjunct my Neptune within 2 degrees and out-of-sign widely conjunct my Moon, plus my Saturn is conjunct her Ascendant within 1 degree...and my younger daughter's Saturn is opposite my Sun within 1 degree (also her Pluto is conjunct my Moon within 3 degrees), and I am certain we were together in past lives. The 3 of us all share both Scorpio and Pisces energies so there is a lot of emotion and spirituality between us. It is strong and sometimes difficult, but we are VERY close! I feel the problems are worth it because the love we share is so deep...

Well, I'm afraid I've rambled. I'm getting tired so I'll end for now. If you'd like to discuss this further, feel free...I'll be around. Take care of yourself.

posted May 21, 2003 03:35 AM              

i'm sorry i haven't responded yet. i keep overwhelming myself lately, yikes! i'm trying so hard to be north nodey (virgo), by doing things, making plans, organizing, and it seems the more i do, the more i have to do to keep up!.. it's exponential!