posted February 24, 2003 01:07 PM              

Yep, that behaviour is probably coming from her Scorp Moon, but she might have some adverse aspects in her natal chart as well, maybe there's a Moon-Mars square or conjunction or opposition somewhere or a Uranus-Mars aspect, that should also be an explosive one, but not as much connected to emotions... What's her Ascendant?
But I see that you're knowledgeable in astrology, so you probably know all this yourself...
Hmmm, the first thing that comes to my mind is that in regard to her Moon, you should be very fair to her and never brush her off carelessly, she'll remeber that and resent you for it, but since she's an Aquarius, she'll probably understand your actions sooner than maybe some other sign. But probably not before puberty, haha. Just kidding

The key thing to remember about her Scorp Moon is that she feels every little thing to the umpteenth degree and needs a lot of time to get over the hurt. If she's being impossible without an obvious reason, she probably feels she's misunderstood in some way and she's being spiteful because of that (this is based on my experience, I don't know if that's the case with your daughter). To punish her right away would be wrong, first she should be explained why she should not behave in that manner and asked why she is being like that, and only then act appropriately. The thing I can never forgive is injustice and I never forgave my mother or father for being unfair, for punishing me without trying to understand first why I'm behaving the way I am. That resulted in even worse disobedience from my part. Applying force was just not working, there was no way to keep me under control if I didn't want to be "good", I could go on and on until someone was on the verge of a nervous breakdown, but I assure you, it was never me. And I was prepared to sacrifice a lot more than anyone to prove my point and would never give in if I thought I was right. So it's worth it to be a little patient and understanding to avoid this kind of retaliation - because that's what it is, it's revenge for not treating the child with understanding.

This is about all I came up with now off the top of my head, but if I remember some more, I'll get back to you!
I hope I didn't scare you, though! The best advice I can give you is to show her that you love her, she needs to know this more than most people! You won't spoil her, her self-torturing Scorp Moon will take care of that (unfortunately), but the feeling that she is loved will help her enormously through life and she will become a positive Scorp Moon person who can achieve anything she sets her mind to!

All the best from a very tortured Scorp Moon at this moment (is it something in the air?)

morgana

posted February 24, 2003 01:16 PM              

Maybe if you read some of our posts in the original "Calling all lunar scorpios" thread, it'll help you to understand more about the Scorp Moon, in fact, I know it will, but I know it's a long thread to read, so ask freely what you want to know and I'll do my best to help you.

posted February 24, 2003 02:05 PM              

That you so much for that detailed analysis!!! Her rising is Saggitarius...pretty accident prone. It's very true what you said about treating her fairly and I do find if I take the time and try to understand her..she's more receptive. Trying to control her never works (haha)

posted February 24, 2003 04:37 PM              

It's actually good in a way that your Moon is Aquarius; does it connect with your daughter's Sun degree-wise? Even if it doesn't, just having the Moon in the same sign as your daughter's Sun should help you a lot with her.

Of course, it also means it's in a sign square to Scorpio, (though again, degrees and orbs determine an aspect's existence and strength), so your little girl probably feels a lot of inner conflict. Looking at this in a positive way...you having the Moon in Aqua. should enable you to show compassion and acceptance even if you don't always understand her emotional intensity.

You are very wise when you say children don't lie about their personalities. Despite the fact that you may be bewildered at times by your daughter's sensitivity, I would encourage you to support her need to express her emotions within reason (as long as she doesn't get so upset she could hurt herself). Like Morgana says, she needs to know she's loved, nomatter what...and that she's taken seriously. Her young age makes no difference as these are her formative ones. As I'm sure you know, experiences a child has in the first few years of life stay with them forever...well, mulitiply this fact by 100 for Scorpio Moon, because they never forget anything, for better or worse, lol.

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posted February 24, 2003 04:38 PM              

I don't mean to scare you either. I'm basing what I say on my own childhood and believe me, I still carry the emotional scars. What's most important to remember is that your little girl feels and senses things many others don't, so if you can help her to feel safe enough to show her feelings, she will reward you with intense loyalty and love. She may still challenge you with willfullness, but with your patience, guidance and love she can learn how to channel her intensity in a positive way.

When you get right down to it, I feel it is about respect. Show her that, and you will earn her's. Good luck to you, and feel free to come here with any other questions about Scorpio Moon. Also as Morgana mentioned, reading the original thread on Lunar Scorpios should enlighten you more. Remember...Lunar Scorp energy is POWERFUL, and when directed in a productive manner can accomplish anything! I hope this helps.

posted February 24, 2003 07:40 PM              

Sun - Pisces
Rising - Cancer
March 13, 1982

I'm so relieved to know that I am not alone! Everyone is so supportive of one another

I am having trouble directing my intense scorp. emotions outward in a constructive way. In particular, I live with an Aries ( moon Virgo, Rising Cancer ) who seems to be oblivious to her surroundings and is very inconsiderate and demanding of others. I find myself holding in these intense, resentful feelings toward her. My Pisces Sun reminds me that she is most likely unaware of her actions and I should be more patient with her (and not let my scorp. moon get the best of me). Holding in these intense feelings makes me physically ill and I feel like crying whenever I talk about it! Has anyone been in a similar situation?

posted February 24, 2003 08:22 PM            

Yes, I have been plagued with an inablility to turn a blind eye to those whose behavior I find repellent or destructive. I find that I am able to see why they are motivated to do so and also that they are often quite unconscious about such behavior, making it that much more difficult to figure out a way to bring it to their attention without hurting them unnecessarily.
My Sagittarius sun often compells me to speak out, often bluntly, about such things eventually and it doesn't always work for the best.

I would definetly recommend NOT letting such things fester inside you, as you already noticed there are physical side effects to such behavior and it will only get worse the longer you keep it in.

I wish I had a simple answer to your problem but I've been searching for that same answer for some time as well with only limited success.
All I can say is that even if you don't vent the feelings in the form of sharing your annoyance with your friend, you should find some means for releasing that energy, no matter what..
I'd speak more but I'm out of time..

posted February 24, 2003 09:14 PM              

I know exactly where you are coming from...especially since I also have Cancer rising. Emotions, for me, have always been "the enemy"...if I express them, it almost always causes trouble (except if they are very positive emotions of course!).What I have found to be true in my relationships (at least the deep, meaningful ones) is that if someone really loves you and cares about you, they'll put up with all the emotional ups and downs that you experience.

As far as "dealing with" these emotions, I would suggest some sort of physical outlet. Running and karate both worked wonders for me. (Especially karate! Damn, I miss that punching bag!). I'm also a strong believer in the power of writing, or journaling, to get out some of our more intense, hard to express feelings.

Harpyr--I know what you mean about turning a deaf ear to repellent or destructive behaviors. I think I've done this my whole life! Also like you I'm a fire sun sign (Leo), so I feel a lot of the same conflicts you do.

posted February 25, 2003 06:06 AM              

Hi, Twinlady, I love what you wrote!

Welcome, Hooked!

It's like Harpyr said ( ), it's hard to know why a person is behaving in a manner that he/she is and not be able to find a way to tell him/her that. It's the story of my life. I understand (almost) everyone, but they don't understand that I understand them and I can't find a way to let them know that. Ah, well...

I had an Aries friend, a very aggressive, domineering one. I resented her behaviour more and more until one day I just had enough and I ended our relationship. But it's funny, the thing she resented me for is not being honest with her and telling her how I felt before that happened. Rams value honesty and courage above all, so maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to tell your friend how you feel, or at least give her a sting from time to time (or stand up to her if she is very domineering) so she'll know her behaviour is not welcome. You're all water, so I know it's more natural for you to keep silent and try to wait it out, but your Scorp Moon is bound to have you do something drastic in the end because Scorps don't let go, moreover, Pluto doesn't let go, it forces you to make a change, it's only up to you if this change will be a peaceful one or a violent or unpleasant one. But if this bothers you, it won't go away, that's what I'm trying to say. The relationship will have to change or end. Good luck!

posted February 25, 2003 07:37 AM              

i have an aries moon, characterized by now, now, now! i honestly practiced patience with a scorp moon friend.... yet with an aries moon, the experience feels as if one is being wrung tight and squeezed out of all juices. bone-breaking, even. the famed reticence of the scorp moon was not getting our friendship anywhere and i had to tell my friend that.

rams are honest by nature and having a sag sun does double it to the nth degree. fire signs, not being emotional, have to be told what we're doing or have done wrong because we normally don't have an inkling of why you've suddenly gone quiet on us, not to mention making us feel as if we've done something wrong.

posted February 25, 2003 12:29 PM              

morgana, that sounds exactly like what I am experiencing right now. "Pluto doesn't let go" I guess my Pisces sun wants it all to just go away.

taj, thanks for the insight. I understand that my relationship with my roommate will only be liveable if I am more vocal. (Easier said than done,unfortunately. I have learned early on that emotions are the enemy. When people get stung, and they almost always do in the end, they never see it coming and are shocked.)

As for giving this plutonian energy a positive outlet, I am finding that having people around me who understand, like all of you , puts me at ease. I think that's why I took to astrology and Linda Goodman's books so quickly.

Thanks for such a warm welcome moonmates

posted February 25, 2003 02:55 PM              

I have a Pisces Sun, with Scorpio Moon and Asc. I, like you, am all water. I wonder if you have any problems reconciling your passive Pisces personality with the intense and almost uncontrollable energies generated within as a Lunar Scorpion? I sometimes feel like a car with a fantastically powerful engine, but with a faulty steering wheel and failing brakes. Do you know what I mean? Its hard to just "go with the flow" as Pisces was meant with all that passion running through me. Like a river torrent when I would be much happier with a nice calm pool of water with maybe a gentle waterfall. Am I making much sense to you? Just interested.

Thanks,

posted February 25, 2003 10:14 PM              

I couldn't have said it any better. Sometimes I feel my sun is consumed by my lunar influence (perhaps more so because I'm all water and extremely driven by my emotions in general?). Do you find that to be true for you too, being all water? I crave harmony and ease, but the passion runs deep. I feel tension within because of my natural passivity. When I'm compelled by the intensity, I feel like it's not even me -like I am watching another person. Does this sound familiar?

posted February 25, 2003 11:52 PM              

Your two descriptions of contrasting Scorp/Pisces influences struck a chord in me too! Though my Sun is Gem, my Rising is Pisces, plus I have three Cancer planets (Mars, Jupiter, Uranus)...and Moon, Juno (conjunct exactly) and Saturn all in Scorpio...so I'm also A LOT of water. I mentioned earlier in this thread how having Gemini Sun and Mercury compels me to "analyze" all the emotions constantly swirling within me; always trying to figure out the "whys" of my behavior and how frustrating it is to think I'm finally on top of a situation only to be blindsided and overcome the next time something upsets me.

Swerve, I know so well what you mean about wanting to go with the flow and failing too often because of the passion of my Moon! And Hooked, your description of inner tension because of passivity...plus feeling like you're another person watching yourself when the intensity more or less takes over... exactly!

Somebody here suggested writing our feelings down and/or talking about them. I think that's why this type of format is so comforting to me; being able to come here and both "talk" and "write"...sharing with others having similar emotions and being validated/understood is great therapy.

Do either of you have anything in Gemini (or the other air signs, for that matter)? I remember Ice Mists has the same Sun/Moon/Rising signs that I do. Just wondering.

Hi Morgana and everyone else!

posted February 26, 2003 03:05 PM              

Also, if anyone could fill me in on what Mercury in Aquarius means for me I would be grateful.

Thanks,

posted February 26, 2003 03:13 PM              

Cheers,

posted February 26, 2003 04:37 PM              

I have 3 planets in Libra (Mars, Saturn and Pluto), and I have 2 Planets in Aquarius (Mercury and Venus) Just like you Swerve. I'm afraid I'm just a beginner when it comes to aspects, etc., and interpretations of anything beyond sun moon and rising. I'm looking into taking the astrology course offered here

Swerve - I think I have very intricate system of defense mechanisms. Like you, I also find a need to simply LOVE and be LOVED as a fish, but I have noticed my inability to completely trust and make myself vulnerable. I tend to get myself into the martyr situation in relationships, then resent the other person for it in the end. Close friends tend to describe me as "mercurial" and comment on my rapid and unpredictable change in mood. As far as being perceptive, I feel it is definitely knowledge that goes beyond the senses, a true gift. Fishes are "sponges" that absorb emotions, even if they are not their own. Scorp energy is unparalled in ablitiy to go below the surface, to a person's true character and motives - I know exactly what you are saying

hooked

posted February 26, 2003 05:59 PM              

"when analysing feelings or people. Patterns of behaviour jump out at me and I can predict what their next moves, true motives are, even when they haven't figured it out yet. Oh, the amount of times I have said that someone is like this, or does this because, and am either validated by a close source or over time as their TRUE natures are revealed"

PERFECT DESCRIPTION SWERVE! PERFECT!
True Motives/Nature, Patterns & Prediction of Behavior, even before they know it
For me that's it in a nutshell!

I've always been able to "read" people, more so after puberty when I realized it as an actual "ability" & started to test & develop it.

I met with much resistance from other people, friends, family, people in general. They asked how did I come to that, and I tried to explain the feelings/thoughts I received from someone's gestures/voice/eyes/body, I guess kinda their "aura" in general.

No one ever believed me at first, but (like you said Swerve) time has a way of revealing things and I've heard many times, months later, once it's become obvious, "You were right about him/her"

But still to this day people are quick to oppose my interpretation and it upsets me because usually they are asking me for it.

So I gave up, and I just say, "I sensed it." Sounds corny & lame but it keeps the conversation quick & I don't end up feeling like I have to explain myself to someone who is just skeptical and having me explain myself just to poke holes in what I sensed.

Has anyone else experienced rebuff from people like this?

posted February 27, 2003 04:26 PM              

Only it isn't as easy as that is it?