posted May 15, 2003 11:31 AM              

And I don't know about Leos & Scorps being fundamentally different...

I'd same they're fundamentally the same, that's why there's conflict...

They both want control of the relationship, just Leo is extroverted about it, Scorp is secretive.

They both are extremely strong, both protect the weak, both can handle anything you dish out to them...

They are also both sensitive, Leo's ego, & Scorp's hyper-sensivity, both have tons of self-confidence, but Leo has insecurity hidden underneath.

One thing people would say to me is, "I can't see you with her, you guys are SO different" But after being with other women since her, I realize that we actually shared a he*ll of a lot, it was just the few things we didn't have in common that we seemed to overemphasize.

If you check out Love Signs the Karmic missions for Leo & Scorpio are Identical:

LEO: "To teach that love is esctacy and learn that love is humility"

SCORPIO: "To teach that love is passion and learn that love is surrender"

posted May 15, 2003 01:20 PM              

Every and I mean Every guy I've ever dated has told me that they don't trust me!! WHY?!
Don't know. Have never been unfaithful.

The revenge deal is more like... you step on my toes than I'll stomp yours..

Do right by me and you'll be treated with respect.

The telling lies?? Actually, not really. I'm pretty honest. However, if someone is trying to pry something really personal out of me I'll divert the attention elsewhere... if they still persist than yeah, I'll lie.

Thing that gets me about a Leo... they always try to direct attention to whoever is in their presence. I don't like it. I mean, my friend the Leo woman had at least 10 people looking at my shoes! It was a compliment but I just felt really uncomfortable with it.

The Leo guys... hmmm... there are two that I know who both tell their g/f's what they can and can not wear!! Oh hell no!!

Other than directing a little too much attention in my direction ... really that's basically it. Oh yeah.. being so damn sure that they're always right!!

No one is "always" right.

The things I like about them... the energy they bring into a room. Confidence, easy to read, won't back down from something they believe in and generally just friendly.

Oh one more thing... you guys really shouldn't get uptight if the scorps don't throw compliments in your direction. As that is really a bit hard for us to do.

It's like this... if there is something good about you ...than we assume you already know
and think why should you be told?!

Hope I didn't offend... but hey, you guys were being brutally honest.

I think the 2 could work out really. If each would learn to compromise and when to back off.

posted May 15, 2003 02:02 PM            

You said:
"Oh yeah, I almost forgot to add that "I hate weakness" ... that's another reason I like the Leos. If they are a bit timid... they don't show it."

I've been enjoying this thread.

Think you've hit on an elemental truth here.
I don't know and have not known any women who really want to be "in charge" of a romantic relationship. If they do exhibit that tendency, they're saying something about their partner and it's not something especially complimentary.

posted May 15, 2003 03:40 PM              

SCORPIO: "To teach that love is passion and learn that love is surrender"

You're absolutely right, LL. The two are nearly identical.

I think the biggest, most fundamental difference between Leos and Scorpios is that a Leo tends to have just as much faith and confidence in others as they do in themselves. They're a bit niave in that respect, and they get burned because of it. (woe be tied to whoever finds themself in the ring with an angry lion)

posted May 15, 2003 11:11 PM              

the phrase that can best describe it is.."it was the best of times....it was the worst of times".

He was very hyper sensitive...he demanded my attention but only when it was conveinient for him....when he wanted to run with his friends..he did it...and if I complained...then damn me!

he was selfish, materialistic and it was a lot of work for me to draw the "fun" side of him out. He had a "miserableness" about him...maybe "brooding" is the better word. Very "people" phobic...very judgmental of others but dare anyone to try to point out his shortcomings.

BAsically...he was a big baby..prone to tantrums.

He'd accuse me of running around on him...but i think he was the one doing to running.

SEe..I have this Leo sun but a bunch of pices in my chart so I think I kind of hung on longer than a normal "leo' would....but once I had enough....that was it...i put my foot down and basically showed him who was boss. I dumped his sorry butt after 4 years and he spent the next year trying to get back in my good graces but he was unsuccessful....so i think I "WON" in the end...I defeated the mighty scorpion and brought him to his knees...LITERALLY....begging and screaming on his knees for another chance....I think that's about the only time I've ever used my "leoness" to it's full potential...it wasn't fun at the time...but now I see that if I would have exhibited a little bit of that restraint from the beginning...he wouldn't have felt like he could walk all over me like he did.

posted May 16, 2003 11:25 AM              

I don't think anyone should be the dominant partner. It should really fall into being equal.

One tip that I can give to someone is from the beginning of the relationship don't allow yourself to be dominated.

If I fall into a pattern from the beginning it's hard for me to change it. If I know what to expect from the beginning ... there are no surprises.

Also, if there ever is a problem... discuss it with us... rationally... without tons of insults and especially not in public!!

However, be ready to hear your faults as well. As there are always 2 sides. If the other person is willing to make an effort.. I'll do the same.

If I see my faults that are being pointed out... and usually I do. I'll give an explanation as to why. Usually turns out it's nothing more than a retaliation due to something the other person has done in the past.

That's something that I really don't like about being a scorp... the grudge holding and not being able to let go of it UNTIL I've put the shoe on someone's foot.

It's that eye for an eye thing... and yes I know it would leave the whole world blinde. It just seems to come out without me actually realizing it.

However, I do feel like it wipes the slate clean. It's really strange.

I think (I hope) I can describe the reasoning into why I do that.

Here goes... I'm pretty aware of how I make others feel. If someone hasn't done anything wrong to me than I do nothing to them. I don't believe in unjustly causing friction with someone. Though, I'm sure I've unintentionally done so.

I always assume that everyone has this trait... of feeling what emotions you inflict on someone else.

posted May 16, 2003 08:20 PM              

We understand that we can't expect regular mortals to possess the same high levels of integrety that we do. So, we generously bestow the gift of forgivness on the ingrate, knowing that they are too simple to appreciate it.

It's a thankless job being a monarch sometimes.

Oh, sure if you're standing right there when I first realize you've screwed me over, then you best run for cover. But I just can't stay mad for long. We Leos don't live in those tortured depths like some of the signs do. We really don't even like to visit them! We want to run and laugh and frollick and stuff. Can't do that when you're pouting and picking your scabs! (emotional scabs that is)

We feel it is our duty to be the life of the party. The world is starving for fun, and they're counting on us, so we pick ourselves up, dust our egos off, and get back to the important business of frollicking and laughing and...stuff.

posted May 16, 2003 08:44 PM              

See, if everyone understood each other, the world would be such a nice place to live.

They should make Astrology a mandatory course in grade school. Hmm. Maybe some day... in Utopia. (that was my water bearer moon popping in)

posted May 19, 2003 11:04 AM              

Your comment on Leos being able to forgive and wanting to laugh, etc. I "want" to be able to do those things. I just can't. Not until I even the score. Damn sad I know.

It's really hard to describe. I'm stuck in this sort of situation sometimes. I want to let go... I just can't do it. I've been known to get back at others if they inflict anything on others that I care about.

I've been told that I get more upset than the actual person that has been messed over. I'm like... look if you don't want me to settle these things than don't let me find out about them!

I can't rest, concentrate, etc. it's really a pain! However, as I said before... sometimes I "get back" and not actually realize I'm doing it. It's sort of like a reflex action or something

But the those are much better (milder) than me actually having "time" to think on something.

It's a odd way of seeing things. I think alright... this person did this... now... if they get a taste of it back maybe they'll learn not to do something like that again.

What goes around comes around.

However, if I know that the injury was not intentional I don't pay much attention to it. Or if I'm not sure I'll check into it.

It stinks y'all that's all I'm saying

posted May 19, 2003 05:05 PM              

The pluto secret thing. I've thought about that and I've noticed that once I "attempt" to explain exactly why I do things or my feelings on something ... I never can quite put it into the correct words. It's almost like I'm not suppose to know how to describe it all.

I've even looked at some of my previous posts and thought ... yeah, well that's just touching the surface.

If someone wants to know something specific, my way of communicating works much better by detailed questions. I can't sat and tell everything "out of the blue". I've noticed you (Leos) can do that.

I've also noticed that certain people are vague. I can't quite comprehend the "exact" meaning of everything they're saying. Hence to all the questioning we do. I have to know "exactly" what is being said. I mean, if there is details I have to have them.

posted May 19, 2003 05:13 PM              

i hear you on that . . . i went out with a pisces for several years, similar things. i have pisces in my chart too . . . i know the feeling on holding on too long, knowing full well things should have ended earlier.

posted May 19, 2003 05:31 PM              

Whenever she was expressing herself verbally, or talking of her emotions, she always ended up stumbling/stuttering over her words and ending up on a completely remote thought than what she started her sentence with.

I really think its cute actually, guess it would be safe for us to say that we're supposed to judge you lady eagles by your actions and not your words???

posted May 20, 2003 02:13 AM              

If that sound phoney, it's not. It's just a need to please, because yes, it's true, we want everyone to LOVE US. So, we make it easy for them to do so!

posted May 21, 2003 08:29 AM              

Yep! That made sense!

We just can't "let it go"!

Then by the next day I may want to discuss whatever the issue was (the turtle)... but they've already moved on and leaves me to think that they really didn't care that much about it after all??

Did you read any of the other things that I posted? As I'm wondering if it mixes with the way you see things?

Oh yeah, Leo... why aren't you volunteering any of the "unpleasant" traits of Leo??

posted May 21, 2003 10:50 AM              

That's easy. Because there aren't any.

(kidding of course)
Because we tend to not really see our bad points as "bad" per say. But I do realize that I have some. Just can't think of them right now

posted May 21, 2003 02:30 PM              

1Scorp, I mentioned a couple but it's better for others to point them out as they are probably more objective.

I'd have to say: hmmmm... things that had destroyed friendships or relationships... well it's nothing we all don't know already.

False Pride: hiding behind being proud of something when there is nothing to be proud about.

Many-A-Relationship(this probably relates to me alone) have been destroyed (and I'm just kinda realizing this right now in my life) by me overreacting and having an overly dramatic response. Linda wrote that foolish/false pride is the cause of the end of many of Leo's relationships, and I've chalked up at least 5 or 6 times it's happened... sh*it at least now I realize it and hopefully can avoid it in the future

Insecurity: in process of my breakup w/ my X-Scorp she used the term many times, undoubtably to inflict harm, but I'm sure she's right. For me, when I'm my regular self I never dwell on insecurity all that often, usually only when dealing with women (they make me think twice... when I should only think once ) But when I'm high or been smoking pot regularly, I'm a straight pussy and I'll admit it. I could care less about women and will avoid almost any confrontation in any way/shape or form with people.
Essentially, I become a damn hippie, just wanna "go with the flow man" and be eternally peaceful which wins me a hell of a lot of friends, but never succeed in achieving jack shiz in life.

Those would be my biggest flaws as a Leo in seeing myself.
Other well known ones: sexual promiscuity - just doesn't happen for me, I went thru that stage in my life and after each woman I felt dirtier and emptier so I don't do that anymore.
Arrogance/Haughtiness/Vanity - all wrapped up in the same one I think, so what? I have a higher level of standard for things relating to myself, as long as I don't brag about it, who cares?
Tyranny - I never do this on any occasion, as a child I did and it lost me many friends, but now all I do is protect the feelings and interests of all my friends attached to me, it's easy People may want to make-fun-of & argue with a homie of mine, but not with me, so they'll shutup.