posted January 11, 2005 05:09 PM              

i think, since emotions ALWAYS come first, whether or not we are conscious of them, that they deserve priority. i think the trick (at least with my pisces) is to ALWAYS express the emotion first, feel it.. because in that way, one of two things can happen.. either the explaination can be overrided, because with pisceans, there is just the feeling, the total presence, and boundless LOVE, so if aqua can access their feelings, their hurt, their frustration can be worked throo, and disolved.. and we can realize that regardless of any obstacles on the way, all negative feelings are is a yearning for love, and pisces HAS so much love to give!!

and i think in discovering that, we can pull the pisces out of their frustration at feeling like their inate love is being looked over, and once they are comfortable, and understood for their giving nature, they can get out of their sadness and be able to express themselves verbally..

so THANK YOU!! i will remember this from now on!!

posted January 11, 2005 05:30 PM            

( I enjoy pet names... even to ppl i just meet )

posted January 11, 2005 07:50 PM            

I had no choice but to hear you
You stated your case time and again
I thought about it

You treat me like I'm a princess
I'm not used to liking that
You ask how my day was

You've already won me over in spite of me
And don't be alarmed if I fall head over feet
Don't be surprised if I love you for all that you are
I couldn't help it
It's all your fault

Your love is thick and it swallowed me whole
You're so much braver than I gave you credit for
That's not lip service

You've already won me over in spite of me
And don't be alarmed if I fall head over feet
Don't be surprised if I love you for all that you are
I couldn't help it
It's all your fault

You are the bearer of unconditional things
You held your breath and the door for me
Thanks for your patience

You're the best listener that I've ever met
You're my best friend
Best friend with benefits
What took me so long?

I've never felt this healthy before
I've never wanted something rational
I am aware now
I am aware now

You've already won me over in spite of me
And don't be alarmed if I fall head over feet
Don't be surprised if I love you for all that you are
I couldn't help it
It's all your fault

posted January 11, 2005 08:04 PM              

When I was younger I went out with a guy (my first boyfriend) for five months — I spent four of those months trying to break up with him!! It took me a long time to actually come out and say it. When I did it was as bad as I feared. He cried a lot and in my attempt to soften the situation I told him we'd always be "friends" becuase I couldnt say outright I dont want to see him anymore and walk away.

The process dragged on longer than it should have partly because of me and my passive-aggressive ways and partly because he wasn't taking no for an answer.

Anyway, ti cut a long story short, he kind of started stalking me, until I did finally tell him to f- off. Ater that I never herd from him again. In my attempt to save him from
feeling hurt, i think i hurt him far worse that I ever intended (and got my own feelings hurt too in the process).

I have many other examples too. Because of my moon, i feel I can understand pisceans. They never intend to hurt anyone, feelings can so easily get mixed up with logic. You think you're doing the right thing but your reality/logic can be very different from others.

I NEVER, EVER, want to hurt anyone, so consequently I find myself telling one or two white lies most days — but all with good intentions!! I have very thin skin myself so I am very aware of how others could feel and in my avoidance of that I can unwittingly get myself in sticky situations.

But Ive learnt that other people are much more robust than me so I'm learning to be more straightforward, especially in relationships, but I do find it hard.

posted January 11, 2005 08:51 PM            

... the thing that I've noticed recently is just how much I want to see and hear what Pisceans do...

posted January 11, 2005 09:34 PM              

Hahahahaha... Moonshine... I know you didn't mean to, but that really, really made me laugh out loud

Everything with Mr Pisces was idyllic until the Mercury retrograde and it's never recovered since then.

Chrissy... G also has Uranus ascending... Unusual though it may seem, but HE was actually the "unemotional" one... not me. Of course, he's very emotional, but with Scorpio and Uranus rising, he's very intense... but unforthcoming. He also has a Virgo moon. Remember when you were talking about quintiles ages ago? I looked up his quintiles, he has one, Moon quintile Saturn...

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Moon quintile Saturn: Adopting a style which involves strict control of feelings; adopting a 'hard' attitude to the world, with deliberate lack of sensitivity; dry humour; building defensive structures against the environment.

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He is like that in the extreme! Because of his job... he seems to have this protective shell of unemotionality around him... with that ex-girlfriend... they were together 4 years and he never told her he loved her! Nor vice versa. That blew my mind when I first heard it, I was like... "how can you be with someone for that long and not be in love with them or tell them so?" ... But now that I know him, I can see how and why!

But... I'm the Aquarian, and he's worse than me with the emotions!

was weird purple sparkles... yes! we are born around the same time. my birthday is January 26th, 1979... BUT... I have Mercury/Moon in Capricorn... I only have Sun/Mars in Aquarius (5th house).

Mama Mia... yes... I think he was in love with love and just wanted to be in love and give himself to someone... He's turning 30 in February and he's achieved a lot, he has his own house, a great career, traveled the world... But I just get the sense that he can't extricate himself from his old ways.

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His lesson is to relize that he has feelings and that it is okay to express them. He had to cause on several occasions I was out the door and he did not want that so he had to tell me how he was feeling, it was not a game I was just tired of somethings.

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That's exactly what it is between me and Mr. Pisces... except I'm the emotional Aquarian and he's the unexpressive Pisces... It's all on it's head I tell you! I feel like this is Alice in Wonderland astrology. Everything is upside down and stuff.

Honestly... what I feel in my heart of hearts is that he got all caught up at first, he was in love with love, I think he wanted to find the "woman of his dreams" and I just happened to come along, so he projected all of that on me. He's also Venus in Aries, so he pursued me pretty steadfastly, he wrote me a freaking song in the first week! I've never met anyone like you before, where have you been hiding my whole life, you are so perfect for me, I can say anything to you, I've never felt this way before, I can't think of anything but you... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH! They aren't the lyrics, lol... but they are all the things he would coo non stop in the first few months.

Then the Mercury retrograde came along and muddled everything up. Over the holidays, I can count on one hand how many times I've seen him. This is from a guy that asked me to move into his freaking house in November! Now, I can't even get him to call me. I gotta pin him down to get a phone call.

Neptune's Mermaid... I agree with you... he's stopped trusting me and pulled away for whatever reason. But he insists to death that this is not the case. He has every excuse in the book for his strange and CHANGED behaviour towards me. Oh... and then there was the snarky comment from him the day after Christmas "your husband was right YOU ARE LAZY"... wtf??? eat sh*t and die. You don't get to say that about me. And if you wanna call me lazy, have the cajones to OWN IT... don't pass it off on my ex. Another wishy washy, mealy mouthed thing he said right there. Humpf. What a pussy.

Devilfish... if he is overwhelmed, I understand. That's all he would have to say. "I feel the same, I'm just really overwhelmed, this is moving so fast and I just need a break to sort myself out"... THAT WOULD BE PERFECTLY OK! But instead, I feel like he's pulling me around by the nose, wasting my time, like I'm stupid. He thinks he's a real catch, and I suppose he is. He's an athlete, he makes a lot of money, has his own house, a nice car, travels regularly, comes from a lovely family... so, he's accustomed to pulling chicks around by the nose, calling all the shots and have them all fall at his feet because most chicks, especially unmarried ones in their late 20s are looking for a husband and his "resume" is perfect... so with me, he thinks he can have his cake and eat it too, like he's accustomed to... but I won't stand for it.

I understand that being honest doesn't always get a positive reaction... oh boy do I know that... but I've found it's the best way to separate the people I want in my life from those I don't... if you can't handle the truth, how the #%$@ am I going to deal with you in life? The truth is the truth is the truth is the truth. I dont see a way around it, I don't want to see a way around it and I want people close to me to be commited to the truth and reality, as I am. Nothing good can come of lies and evasion and mealy mouthed murkiness. You're just putting off the inevitable. You'll have to face it one day. I just don't see the point and the ensuing confusion and muck and crap is just not worth it to me. Maybe because I get no relief from it. Pisces seems to get relief from the murkiness. Who knows.

posted January 11, 2005 09:54 PM              

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I have known a fair few 'fishy' men - they are lovely but tend to be charming liars.

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posted January 11, 2005 10:21 PM              

Anyway... she is that cliche really attractive woman with low-esteem who gets breast implants because she felt unattractive and craves male attention to validate her at all times. So she has these huge plastic boobies and she was always dressed inappropriately and she always had a gaggle of male "friends" hanging around... she would always insist they were only her friends and they weren't interested in her, so either she thought Mr. Pisces was really naive or she herself was really naive, because men don';t hang around women that look like she does because they want to be her friend.

So anyway, after several incidents with her inappropriate behaviour, Mr Pisces... instead of confronting her, facing it... he starts cheating on her. So he cheats and cheats and cheats and she finds out, goes ballistic and emails his whole department and his family about what an @sshole he is and that's how their 4 year relationship ended. Irreparable, because his family hates her guts now and so does he... and it would have had to end anyway because she adamantly did not want children and he does... So there was no marriage on the cards... but, in typical Pisces fashion, he never ended it, he just drew it out and out and made a huge mess of everything, staying in an obviously dead relationship with no future... this pattern of her with her male friends and his cheating lasted for the whole second half of their relationship! TWO YEARS! I don't know how people put up with such a load of crap for that long. I would go insane. It's truly pathological and mental... of Mr Pisces and his Virgo/Leo ex!!!

But, I understand her now, because... you get no attention from him! He's so wrapped up in himself and his own thing and he doesn't give you anything... that I understand why she sought attention elsewhere.

Even he's said, looking back, he doesn't think she cheated on him, but he doesn't care because it had no future anyway. He just wish he handled it differently.

But he's doing the same thing with me. I just feel out in the cold all the time. You can't be in relationship like that. you just can't.

posted January 11, 2005 11:31 PM              

AG, sounds like you'd be better off with out this guy, any woman would more than likely be better off.

But such as this is how we learn...

Hey you know what!
Throw that one back in, he's not big enough yet.

'there's more fish in the sea'

*hugs*

Oh, and my first husband was a pisces/gemini.
So i know what you mean as far as some not being honest.
And thinking on this...

posted January 11, 2005 11:58 PM              

I'd rather avoid an answer than to have to hurt someone's feelings, cause like most pisces, I've been hurt and don't want to be the cause of hurt to anyone else.

Other's may consider this a lie as well, but that's not the way i see what i'm talking about as being...

posted January 12, 2005 12:45 AM              

So I end up always, driving, paying, organizing and then I hear, you always decide everything.....I am trying to be more patient, but who can listen to a half hour rationalization of why the answer is maybe not right now? But at least you know if you are together something will happen, so eventually if you are with a pisces man you have no life. You have to live together to make sure he gets anywhere on time, or else he will blame you.

That's the bottom line, keep your friends and you will go be sane.

Good Luck Aquarian girl,
Wow, your b/f's ex sounds a lot like me minus the fake boobies, I mean I had lots of male friends, with my ex b/f and he would do that, drag things out. But he would complain I needed all the reassurance when we were at a party, he clearly did not like me to ever feel good about my self, and I fought with my self worth everyday.

When I am intimate with a man I always give up some of my self worth, but I like to get some of it back, along with respect.

anyway, mine was a Gemini/Pisces rising, but I swear it sounds like him, and me. And of course I would yell at him and he would say I was emotional for no reason.

I have learned to never comfort anyone or be comforted outside of the relationship.

Have you noticed how a man who cheats always has an incredibly good reason? Such as the ex was slutty, or emotionally unavailable, or depressed, or whiny, or into money...there is always this fantastic reason and you believe it?

I think we all want to believe the other woman is worth leaving, even though you have to wonder what that does to a man's self worth to never confront the ex about her problems. And why the ex had low self worth too..

I am actually having lunch with my ex sometime this month and he will make me feel as if I twisted his arm to go. I think we need closure, and I know I sound superior when say that but I need my respect back. I will not fall for his charm though, I have a secret weapon, I will wear an old green parka, that hides my entire body, and no touching. I will read some poetry, be emotional before we see each other so I get my emotions out, if I play it cool, then I can be provoked.

Wish me luck,

Natasha