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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 11, 2005 07:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I am done. Really, really done. No more friggin' Pisces men for me. Ever.

What do they get out of their lies? What's the point? Why so bloody wishy washy and evasive? IT DRIVES ME NUTS!

I can't take it any more.

I just don't understand what he gets out of not being honest? I'm not a psycho. If you don't feel the same way anymore, just say it! If the fact that I'm not quite divorced is bugging you, just say so! What the hell can I say to either of those things? I can just put it under my hat, thank him for his honesty and move right along, no? I dn't even know that it's either of those things, I'm just guessing. But I am so tired of the guessing game and feeling like I'm being pulled around by the nose and then told nothing is wrong, when I know damn well it is!!!

Instead... it's all these cloak and dagger head games... oh no... it's not you, I'm busy... oh no, I'm upset that you're upset, please don't be mad at me... oh no, there isn't anybody else, I still think you're great, I'm just busy busy busy.

What a load of sh*t. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Pisces #1 was a compulsive little white liar. Constantly telling little lies about this or that, stupid lies... but when it mattered he was honest. This one? He's just weird and evasive and you can't pin him down to save your life, you think you have him cornered but then he slithers away like a slimy little lying fish that he is.

The most unnerving thing is that he obviously thinks I'm stupid. Well, he just got dumped so now he can see for himself how stupid I am.

For someone in such a "tough guy" job, how can a person be so mealy mouthed, unforthcoming and evasive? I don't get it.

Now that I think of it, every Pisces I know is a liar is one way or another! Whether they lie to me or lie to themselves, they all lie!

Can someone explain what the point of all of this is? I really don't understand. OK, I kind of understand lying to yourself because the truth is just too horrible to bear... but when you have someone repeatedly begging you for the truth, you are not going to get screamed at or have a big scene caused... you just have someone you supposedly care about pleading with you to be straight with them... why can't you just be straight, and tell it like it is? Why is that so hard?

Anyway... I am done with Pisces men. I swear it. No more.

I am sorry, I'm not trying to offend any innocent bystander Pisceans... I am just frustrated and upset beyond belief... and perhaps one of you little fishies can enlighten me or help me to "get it"...

But no matter what anyone says, I am still done with the Pisces men. Ugh.

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luisbunuel
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posted January 11, 2005 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarian Girl, you have all my sympathy.

Pisces, being the last sign, have a bit of all the signs in them, it is said. Hence all those contradictory tendencies in their personalities...

I have known a fair few 'fishy' men - they are lovely but tend to be charming liars.

If you interrogate them, they often say that they don't owe you an explanation for their behaviour.

The best way to deal with them (should you accidentally get 'reeled in' in the future) is to play it cool.

Don't fall for those mushy declarations of love, try and keep them at arm's length as often as possible.

Hard though it is at the moment, life without Pisces can actually mean a life of clarity.

Luisbunuel.

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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 11, 2005 08:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Luis... this one agrees that I'm owed an explanation, but he insists til he's blue in the face that there is nothing to tell, everything is the same. But I know it isn't.

Mr Innocent all the way.

I watched Oprah's He's Just Not That Into You and I know what I know even without Oprah. He just is no longer an open book to me like he was in the beginning and he's completely unavailable.

If, somehow in his heart of hearts he really did want this to work out, I don't know how he could honestly expect anything from it with all the bullsh*t swirling around.

He painted her as such a witch (his ex), but although I don't agree with her antics, I understand her. If he can't see what the problem is and that history is repeating itself (minus the retarded antics a la the ex-girlfriend)... there is no future.

At least I'm not hanging around for 4 years playing games these stupid games like she did!

Hard though it is at the moment, life without Pisces can actually mean a life of clarity.

Thanks Luis... it is hard because I thought I had really found someone special, someone truly exceptional... But he's actually turned out to be amongst the worst of the worst. Funny that.

I thought it couldn't get any worse than daily fighting with a Pisces sun/Aries moon... It turns out a Pisces sun/Scorp rising with Moon quintile Saturn is an emotional black hole you can fall into and possibly never get back out of!!

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GingerB
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posted January 11, 2005 08:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*shew*
I thought you were thinking all Pisces were liars.

i'm only one person, but I can tell you this...
Telling the truth has gotten more folks upset with me than lying does to other's.

Makes me wonder sometime...
But I'm to old to change.
Besides, life's to busy as it is to try to keep up with reality, I myself don't understand why people make up crap to try to keep up with as well.

Sad really...

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luisbunuel
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posted January 11, 2005 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for luisbunuel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarian girl,

You have a point about the ex -partners of a Pisces, they are almost always made out to be the crazy or demented ones, while the fish comes off looking like the saint!!

Pisces, if dumped or left to their own devices, usually call.

Don't know why, but they do.

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Mama Mia
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posted January 11, 2005 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AqaurianGirl, I feel you do what you Aquarians do best right now. Detatch and get all your thoughts and feelings together. Get in your own space stay there. Make him come back to you with the truth ONLY!!!! Goodluck you will be okay...

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chrissymgreen
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posted January 11, 2005 12:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dear aquarian girl,

i'm sorry your pisces guy turned out to be such a wimpy dud.

it's true that it's sometimes easy for a pisces to be deceptive (it's especially easy with our own selves) - it mostly has to do with wanting to avoid an 'ugly' truth i think.

i'm a pisces sun, so i can in part relate, but by no means do i think all pisceans exhibit such behavior so negatively or so indiscriminately (without regard to another's feelings - i'm appalled!), like it sounds your guy did. of course, i may be a little different from the average pisces sun - i have uranus right on the ascendant, an out of bounds moon in sagittarius, and mercury in aries. i find it hard not to blurt out the truth compulsively. where i have trouble facing reality is with myself, usually.

anyways, AG, you have venus conjunct neptune, right? so you're a bit piscean yourself, with regard to the expression of your venusian energies, that is. that's probably why you're so attracted to pisceans.

so i'm not sure it's the neptune influence that makes for a wishy washy or deceptive personality outright...i think it's more complicated than that, and could involve an afflicted planet for core personality issues, or certain transits and progressions for more transitory issues. i'm no expert though, i'm really only speculating.

it's frustrating when a partner beats around the bush, however. i can empathize; i've been in similarly exasperating situations. maybe it's my mercury in aries, but when i'm having a fight with someone, i want to get it all out in the open! i like to pursue a resolution, even if i have to be a bit aggressive about it. that's the only way to avoid potentially nasty passive-aggressive behavior. i may dislike confrontation, but it's better to work things out honestly than it is to be passive aggressive. that's my pet peeve.

at any rate, i'm sorry, doll. you don't have to stand for that. you don't deserve that kind of treatment.

take care,
chrissy

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Moonshine9
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posted January 11, 2005 01:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Aquarian Girl and to everybody else, too!
I'm new here and I'm so happy to have come upon this web site dedicated to the spirit of Linda Goodman. She was my mentor from afar so to speak.
I'm so sorry to hear about this Pisces whose giving you the run around! But please don't feel that all Pisces men are like him! keep the faith!
In the many years I've been studying Astrology and still learning something new every day mind you, I noticed that Cappies are a good match for Aquarians, or maybe you need a good ol' honest Aries man!
I remember what Linda Goodman said about every sign having it's good side and it's pitfalls as well, right?
I do agree with you about the honesty factor.
What's so darn hard about answering a question when it is asked right?
I'm a Taurus with Mercury in Aries so I don't like to mince words unless my Libra Moon catches it in time!
I hope I haven't spoke out of turn?
Peace and Love,
Eileen

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The_Toothfaerie
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posted January 11, 2005 01:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarian girl,

I understand your need for honesty, i personally cant stand guys who constantly lie and cheat their way out of things...ive always been a very..if not brutally honest person, and honesty is something that i very highly value...and when someone is less then that, they see my ugly side...but unless its happening to them, its quite funny, because ive found out that good healthy vengance is kinda fun...like the time i ordered 600 dollars of porno mags to be sent to an ex co workers house on COD cause she told my company that i sold drugs on the premisis (whis was a complete lie and only said it cause she wanted to get the company in trouble cause they fired her) but anyway, thats another topic....just making a point that i really hate liars

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sthenri
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posted January 11, 2005 01:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's that poem again about closure
There is a Gap inside of you
you have to fill it with what was there before
if you try and fill it with anything else
it yawns greater evermore
you can't fill a Gap with Air

It hurts when someone lies to your face, it feels like you were burned all over body, if you keep it private it hurts worse, and you revisit the lies over and over again. But then Pisces is about memories, and he wants to implant himself deep inside of you both ways, so you always praise him everywhere, and think only of him.

Tell him you think of him and praise him for the things he does right and ignore his lying, that is ignore the truths he lies about and live your own life remembering he lies, everyone does.

it sucks, it's crappy but that's the mystery and the longing of Pisces. It does feel like a burning, strangely I always hurt my Pisces men worse than how they hurt me, in the end, I always drive them away, now I am trying not to do that to learn and not repeat old patterns.

It hurts to be friends with a liar, but it's harder than being his lover. Be his friend, smile, but don't take him back as a lover, tell him he has self worth and respect and you care about his smile, be sure to tell him you will always remember him with joy, but cry in secret a bit for him, only a bit, don't cry too long, or else you will get sick.

Pisces men always leave women sick, sick to their stomach, sick everywhere, women are laying in hospital beds every Valentine's Day waiting for a card for their Pisces since he was sooo romantic, only they got nothing and cut their wrists instead.

Sorry to be so dramatic, I just read this online. V-Day is suicide day for women.

I tell my friends, send me cards on Valentine's Day and I will send you cards too, don't depend on anyone but me for that, you'll never get it where you want and need it.

Right now I have two giant red hearts on my wall from the store, I am decorating with V-Day supplies, and my paintings are reds and pinks..

Love is the answer but it's in the mind.

To get a pisces man, be sad, helpless, vulnerable, scared, and you will be his lover. to be his friend be his mother. but you have to choose,

Take care of yourself, sweetheart
don't get burned,


Natasha


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fishy
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posted January 11, 2005 01:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The personality of a person is made up of more than the sun sign,did you look where the rest of his planets are.If not maybe you should before you judge all Piscean men.

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pixelpixie
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posted January 11, 2005 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah... She knows, we all know... She even put a disclaimer there up in her first post saying just that...
Let a gal have her generalized rant over love, will ya? She's a sweetie pie anyway, and we like sweetie pies here. We understand she doesn't think they all suck, why else would she have loved them in the first place? It helps the heart to rant.

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Devilfish
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posted January 11, 2005 02:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 2 cents
though i dont post on here often i read posts everyday.Normally i wouldnt tell this to anyone really because well i have an ego to protect but since most post arent expressing my pisces logic ,uh hum, here it goes.....
i give more than i get.I am an ear for many and a shoulder, but not one person returns this to me in the same unjudgemental matter. i am told i am sensitive, and yes this is true, in fact so true that even things like the tsunami in the news are things i have to protect myself from hearing because it would stay with me far longer than i would consider to be healthy.It is a sensitivity to pain and suffering in that i can FEEL it, and it breaks me to the core.when i say to a loved one that i am busy or if my action contradict my emotions it is a clear signal that i am overwelmed and need space to sort through things.i choose not to share this in depth because i am convienced through experience this type of stuff is neither excepted by others nor comfortable for them to hear.this is ecspecially true in relationships with the more "detatched signs" in my mind i can see their eyes rolling and the switch turn off .I protect them by keeping these things to myself.all pisces have to learn that these things are best left unsaid as they are never explainable.this to many cut and dry people makes me look decieptive , i know, but ironically i find its more decieptive for them to coax us into bareing our souls only to turn around and call us weak!over the years i have learnt that those who are uncomfortable with these pisces aspects are the most insecure people themselves because emotions love or any purely felt emotion is seen as weaknesses.I am here to say that these things are strengths to know others as oneself that is wisdom and its is really hard to look at inside bravely without masks excuses or biases.i think people fear the vunerability of these things .I dont fear them in myself because i am them.so i protect others by refraining from things only known between me and God.People dont understand because deep down they really dont want to.If you journey with me i will take you to the depths of hell & the heights of heaven, so to be involved with a pisces one must ask themselves truthfully: "am i ready for this"?LOve for what you can give not for what you get this will ensure your abundant return.

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ghanima81
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posted January 11, 2005 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, I was actually going to start a thread about Pisces/Aquarius relationships here, as I have noticed a few of those situations discussed here recently. I have found myself surrounded by Pisceans lately, I actually work with four of them.. two male and two female. It's just like my autumn, when I was surrounded by Saggies, I am accepting that I need these people at this point in my life to teach me something I don't quite get yet... and you know what is weird? I was thinking that it is their ability to just say it, whatever it is, that needs to be said. Putting the obvious truth out there that nobody wants to openly admit to. One of the men (Pisces sun, Asc, and Mars) has such a knack for saying what everyone is thinking, or needs desperately to be said, it's such a breath of fresh air! However, one of the women (Pisces sun, Leo Asc and venus in Cancer) is the rudest, most obnoxious person I've ever met. I used to work with her years ago, before she left her husband, and she was lovely then... I don't know what happened since she's been on her own, but man, does she think the world owes her a few favors! She does tell it like it is though, absolutley no BS comes out of her mouth... but she has no tact, not like said Piscean male... I don't know, I guess it comes down to other aspects, because when I really think about it, although I haven't known that many Pisceans in my life, they have always been quite honest people. Does this particular Pisces have a strong Geminian influence, either in Mercury or perhaps 7th/8th house? Just something I just thought of, I have been reading a lot about Gemini indesrection of late, and the male (Gemini) ability to shroud the truth with unnessecary complexities...

Sorry it didn't work out for you, AG... that really sucks. You did seem really happy...

Ghani

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Devilfish
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posted January 11, 2005 03:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i guess a more polite blunt way of explaining my thoughts would be are you sure that your pisces is not just reflecting your own detatched style back to you in order to maintain harmony? just a thought..........
hope i wasnt harsh, i mean well

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The Mutable Night Force
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posted January 11, 2005 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Mutable Night Force     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS!!!!!

Mainly the men but it's a big thing they all have in common. They have a lot of good points but they just carn't be trusted! Recently I know this Sag woman who has just split up with her cheating Pisces man. He'd been at it for like years and KEPT ON lying to her again and again even about the smallest little thing when it was so petty, lying for the sake of lying.... and the worst bit is- they have a special gift where they can convince themselves that what they said was actually true! It's amazing really. They're lovely sometimes but don't trust them.

Figures really. Pisces lie and that's that. Sorry.

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Mama Mia
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posted January 11, 2005 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooohhh DevilFish, we just had a long long thread on that type stuff Pisces/Aqua thing.
I made a few Aqua's mad by saying something like that. Please read if you have time. the thread was Aquarius eomtoinal thing. I am not saying that is the case with Aquarian girl and her Pisces guy, but I have experienced it first hand that is why I handled it the way I do. Cause had I not I would be brok into a million lil pieces. An I am Pisces sun with Aqua Man..

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Devilfish
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posted January 11, 2005 03:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mamamia i plan on posting to that last thread soon(short on time) but i totally get what you where saying
night force hmmmmmmmmmm
to say all pisces lie well you know what, everyone lies, so um i guess your right.
as for motives well some are more pure then others,jmo.

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posted January 11, 2005 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Devilfish.. your first post?
Right on.
This Scorpio knows what you are saying.
That's all.
I can lie too, although I usually don't. Not a sex-thing, not a sign thing, but a human thing.

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posted January 11, 2005 04:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi.. i haven't read throo the whole thread yet (but most of it), since i wanted to post before i forgot what i was going to say.

aquarian girl, i think we were born really close together (i'm feb 4, 1979- is that close to you?) i think you are also sun/merc/mars in aquarius like me, right? well, my conjunction is in the first house so when there is a problem i cannot NOT get it out in the open. i NEED to talk about it and work throo it, objectively and honestly. i am not judgemental or harsh, just thorough.. to my pisces boyfriend, however, he seems to perceive this as an assault, no matter how level my tone is (tho i admit, i can get emotional myself, so my tone is sometimes less than calm, tho i am usually sad, but he percieves it otherwise.. probably because pisceans are not comfortable with confrontation, and do not equate it with sadness), and withdraws and goes into the fetal position and feels sorry for himself. any questions i have are met with either apologies or sarcasm (because he's feeling sorry for himself), when i all i want is to UNDERSTAND. so that we can work throo it/get over it.

i have been finding that he offers little white lies here and there, so that i will not feel hurt, but he doesn't realize how much MORE this hurts!! because since i am so thot-oriented, i need to UNDERSTAND the pattern, the reason, so that i can assimilate how to deal with the situation, how to help him in whatever he needs, and how to best prevent his having to lie again. anytime he's admited to lying and we've talked it throo, it has been nothing that would have bothered me, had he told the truth!

so i think perhaps this is a pattern you share with your pisces boyfriend, being that you and i are similar, and you, like me, just need to talk things out? i think pisceans by nature, residing almost constantly in their emotions, perceive anything difficult as SAD, and consequently, withdraw, and stir up all kinds of old hurts to keep them there. i think it is their nature. so i am learning to access my own emotions when this happens, and just be there for him, while at the same time exposing my vulnerability. only once i do this, is he ready to talk things throo.. because he knows i'm on his side, and i care..

it is frustrating tho, to be sure!!

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posted January 11, 2005 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Devilfish,

Hehe, I was writing my post before yours had popped up, so I didn't get to read it until now... I know what you are saying. The male pisces that I work with, I have been aquaintences with since I was 5 years old.. (I will be 24 next Friday), and we've been hanging out a lot lately. He is truly the most open and honest man I've ever met. He's not afraid to discuss his feelings and actually listen to what I'm saying back to him without harsh judgement or too much fluffy emotion. Protection, he has told me, is the reason he is more of a 'logical emoter'.. (he also has Mercury and Venus in Aqua, 12th house; could explain his ability to ''detatch'' as much as I do...) and I totally respect that need to not totally share all the intimate thoughts going on in his head. I can see how much he feels however, he has a tendency to wear his heart on his sleeve when it comes to how other peoples afflictions affect him, and he cares so much about his family and friends, something I can totally relate to...

This bit that you said:
LOve for what you can give not for what you get this will ensure your abundant return.

reminds me of a quote I found recently:

Love is not what you get out of something, but what you put into it. --Unknown

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Ghani

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posted January 11, 2005 04:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that reminds me, i have to add..

my pisces is an AMAZING listener. unless he's DEEP into self-pity, he still listens whenever i am expressing my need to understand (even if he won't talk!). no matter how intense and painful things may be for him, he is still so wonderfully empathetic. and it is an amazing thing, to feel that safe, that loved.

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posted January 11, 2005 04:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW!

What happened, why so negative about Pisces, we never mean any harm
If a Piscean lies it basically means that they don't trust you.

DON'T GET ME WRONG!, I'm not saying any of you are not to be trusted, I trust you. It's just that it takes time for any of us to feel secure enough to be honest. How long depends on how badly life has treated us. Some, unfortunately, will probably never get over what life has done to them.

Devilfish, you are too cool.

It takes allot of strength to be that honest, and I completely understand what you're saying.

There are good and bad people in this world, 1/12 of the human race cannot all be the same.

Aquarian Girl I honestly think you're better off without him. You can do much better.

Hope you don't hate all of us. Especially the girls

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posted January 11, 2005 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sparkles,

I also have Sun/Merc/Mars in Aqua, 11th house... wow, there are a lot of us around here with Merc in Aqua... hmmmm... veddy intewesting...

Ghani

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ghani, that is so neat!!

neptune's mermaid.. i get what you are saying, but don't take it personally! i think aquas and pisceans, both being at the end of the wheel, are inherently similar, only one lives and expresses throo the mind, the other, the feelings. the challenge, the trick, is to find common ground, because both states are valuable.

with my pisces i am learning to remember how being in my emotions, and honest with them is important, and he is learning to put his emotions to words. and it is really the same thing, when you think about it. aquarians tend to deny their emotions, at least on the surface, which, in a way, is a form of dishonesty.. so the frustration is mutual, in these cases, i think..

we have to be patient with one another.

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