posted January 11, 2005 07:33 AM              

What do they get out of their lies? What's the point? Why so bloody wishy washy and evasive? IT DRIVES ME NUTS!

I can't take it any more.

I just don't understand what he gets out of not being honest? I'm not a psycho. If you don't feel the same way anymore, just say it! If the fact that I'm not quite divorced is bugging you, just say so! What the hell can I say to either of those things? I can just put it under my hat, thank him for his honesty and move right along, no? I dn't even know that it's either of those things, I'm just guessing. But I am so tired of the guessing game and feeling like I'm being pulled around by the nose and then told nothing is wrong, when I know damn well it is!!!

Instead... it's all these cloak and dagger head games... oh no... it's not you, I'm busy... oh no, I'm upset that you're upset, please don't be mad at me... oh no, there isn't anybody else, I still think you're great, I'm just busy busy busy.

What a load of sh*t. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Pisces #1 was a compulsive little white liar. Constantly telling little lies about this or that, stupid lies... but when it mattered he was honest. This one? He's just weird and evasive and you can't pin him down to save your life, you think you have him cornered but then he slithers away like a slimy little lying fish that he is.

The most unnerving thing is that he obviously thinks I'm stupid. Well, he just got dumped so now he can see for himself how stupid I am.

For someone in such a "tough guy" job, how can a person be so mealy mouthed, unforthcoming and evasive? I don't get it.

Now that I think of it, every Pisces I know is a liar is one way or another! Whether they lie to me or lie to themselves, they all lie!

Can someone explain what the point of all of this is? I really don't understand. OK, I kind of understand lying to yourself because the truth is just too horrible to bear... but when you have someone repeatedly begging you for the truth, you are not going to get screamed at or have a big scene caused... you just have someone you supposedly care about pleading with you to be straight with them... why can't you just be straight, and tell it like it is? Why is that so hard?

Anyway... I am done with Pisces men. I swear it. No more.

I am sorry, I'm not trying to offend any innocent bystander Pisceans... I am just frustrated and upset beyond belief... and perhaps one of you little fishies can enlighten me or help me to "get it"...

posted January 11, 2005 07:50 AM            

Pisces, being the last sign, have a bit of all the signs in them, it is said. Hence all those contradictory tendencies in their personalities...

I have known a fair few 'fishy' men - they are lovely but tend to be charming liars.

If you interrogate them, they often say that they don't owe you an explanation for their behaviour.

The best way to deal with them (should you accidentally get 'reeled in' in the future) is to play it cool.

Don't fall for those mushy declarations of love, try and keep them at arm's length as often as possible.

Hard though it is at the moment, life without Pisces can actually mean a life of clarity.

posted January 11, 2005 08:05 AM              

Mr Innocent all the way.

I watched Oprah's He's Just Not That Into You and I know what I know even without Oprah. He just is no longer an open book to me like he was in the beginning and he's completely unavailable.

If, somehow in his heart of hearts he really did want this to work out, I don't know how he could honestly expect anything from it with all the bullsh*t swirling around.

He painted her as such a witch (his ex), but although I don't agree with her antics, I understand her. If he can't see what the problem is and that history is repeating itself (minus the retarded antics a la the ex-girlfriend)... there is no future.

At least I'm not hanging around for 4 years playing games these stupid games like she did!

Hard though it is at the moment, life without Pisces can actually mean a life of clarity.

Thanks Luis... it is hard because I thought I had really found someone special, someone truly exceptional... But he's actually turned out to be amongst the worst of the worst. Funny that.

posted January 11, 2005 08:17 AM              

i'm only one person, but I can tell you this...
Telling the truth has gotten more folks upset with me than lying does to other's.

Makes me wonder sometime...
But I'm to old to change.
Besides, life's to busy as it is to try to keep up with reality, I myself don't understand why people make up crap to try to keep up with as well.

posted January 11, 2005 09:28 AM            

You have a point about the ex -partners of a Pisces, they are almost always made out to be the crazy or demented ones, while the fish comes off looking like the saint!!

Pisces, if dumped or left to their own devices, usually call.

Don't know why, but they do.

posted January 11, 2005 12:28 PM              

i'm sorry your pisces guy turned out to be such a wimpy dud.

it's true that it's sometimes easy for a pisces to be deceptive (it's especially easy with our own selves) - it mostly has to do with wanting to avoid an 'ugly' truth i think.

i'm a pisces sun, so i can in part relate, but by no means do i think all pisceans exhibit such behavior so negatively or so indiscriminately (without regard to another's feelings - i'm appalled!), like it sounds your guy did. of course, i may be a little different from the average pisces sun - i have uranus right on the ascendant, an out of bounds moon in sagittarius, and mercury in aries. i find it hard not to blurt out the truth compulsively. where i have trouble facing reality is with myself, usually.

anyways, AG, you have venus conjunct neptune, right? so you're a bit piscean yourself, with regard to the expression of your venusian energies, that is. that's probably why you're so attracted to pisceans.

so i'm not sure it's the neptune influence that makes for a wishy washy or deceptive personality outright...i think it's more complicated than that, and could involve an afflicted planet for core personality issues, or certain transits and progressions for more transitory issues. i'm no expert though, i'm really only speculating.

it's frustrating when a partner beats around the bush, however. i can empathize; i've been in similarly exasperating situations. maybe it's my mercury in aries, but when i'm having a fight with someone, i want to get it all out in the open! i like to pursue a resolution, even if i have to be a bit aggressive about it. that's the only way to avoid potentially nasty passive-aggressive behavior. i may dislike confrontation, but it's better to work things out honestly than it is to be passive aggressive. that's my pet peeve.

at any rate, i'm sorry, doll. you don't have to stand for that. you don't deserve that kind of treatment.

posted January 11, 2005 01:30 PM              

It hurts when someone lies to your face, it feels like you were burned all over body, if you keep it private it hurts worse, and you revisit the lies over and over again. But then Pisces is about memories, and he wants to implant himself deep inside of you both ways, so you always praise him everywhere, and think only of him.

Tell him you think of him and praise him for the things he does right and ignore his lying, that is ignore the truths he lies about and live your own life remembering he lies, everyone does.

it sucks, it's crappy but that's the mystery and the longing of Pisces. It does feel like a burning, strangely I always hurt my Pisces men worse than how they hurt me, in the end, I always drive them away, now I am trying not to do that to learn and not repeat old patterns.

It hurts to be friends with a liar, but it's harder than being his lover. Be his friend, smile, but don't take him back as a lover, tell him he has self worth and respect and you care about his smile, be sure to tell him you will always remember him with joy, but cry in secret a bit for him, only a bit, don't cry too long, or else you will get sick.

Pisces men always leave women sick, sick to their stomach, sick everywhere, women are laying in hospital beds every Valentine's Day waiting for a card for their Pisces since he was sooo romantic, only they got nothing and cut their wrists instead.

Sorry to be so dramatic, I just read this online. V-Day is suicide day for women.

I tell my friends, send me cards on Valentine's Day and I will send you cards too, don't depend on anyone but me for that, you'll never get it where you want and need it.

Right now I have two giant red hearts on my wall from the store, I am decorating with V-Day supplies, and my paintings are reds and pinks..

Love is the answer but it's in the mind.

To get a pisces man, be sad, helpless, vulnerable, scared, and you will be his lover. to be his friend be his mother. but you have to choose,

Take care of yourself, sweetheart
don't get burned,

Natasha

posted January 11, 2005 02:41 PM            

Sorry it didn't work out for you, AG... that really sucks. You did seem really happy...

posted January 11, 2005 03:39 PM            

Mainly the men but it's a big thing they all have in common. They have a lot of good points but they just carn't be trusted! Recently I know this Sag woman who has just split up with her cheating Pisces man. He'd been at it for like years and KEPT ON lying to her again and again even about the smallest little thing when it was so petty, lying for the sake of lying.... and the worst bit is- they have a special gift where they can convince themselves that what they said was actually true! It's amazing really. They're lovely sometimes but don't trust them.

posted January 11, 2005 04:20 PM              

aquarian girl, i think we were born really close together (i'm feb 4, 1979- is that close to you?) i think you are also sun/merc/mars in aquarius like me, right? well, my conjunction is in the first house so when there is a problem i cannot NOT get it out in the open. i NEED to talk about it and work throo it, objectively and honestly. i am not judgemental or harsh, just thorough.. to my pisces boyfriend, however, he seems to perceive this as an assault, no matter how level my tone is (tho i admit, i can get emotional myself, so my tone is sometimes less than calm, tho i am usually sad, but he percieves it otherwise.. probably because pisceans are not comfortable with confrontation, and do not equate it with sadness), and withdraws and goes into the fetal position and feels sorry for himself. any questions i have are met with either apologies or sarcasm (because he's feeling sorry for himself), when i all i want is to UNDERSTAND. so that we can work throo it/get over it.

i have been finding that he offers little white lies here and there, so that i will not feel hurt, but he doesn't realize how much MORE this hurts!! because since i am so thot-oriented, i need to UNDERSTAND the pattern, the reason, so that i can assimilate how to deal with the situation, how to help him in whatever he needs, and how to best prevent his having to lie again. anytime he's admited to lying and we've talked it throo, it has been nothing that would have bothered me, had he told the truth!

so i think perhaps this is a pattern you share with your pisces boyfriend, being that you and i are similar, and you, like me, just need to talk things out? i think pisceans by nature, residing almost constantly in their emotions, perceive anything difficult as SAD, and consequently, withdraw, and stir up all kinds of old hurts to keep them there. i think it is their nature. so i am learning to access my own emotions when this happens, and just be there for him, while at the same time exposing my vulnerability. only once i do this, is he ready to talk things throo.. because he knows i'm on his side, and i care..

posted January 11, 2005 04:20 PM            

Hehe, I was writing my post before yours had popped up, so I didn't get to read it until now... I know what you are saying. The male pisces that I work with, I have been aquaintences with since I was 5 years old.. (I will be 24 next Friday), and we've been hanging out a lot lately. He is truly the most open and honest man I've ever met. He's not afraid to discuss his feelings and actually listen to what I'm saying back to him without harsh judgement or too much fluffy emotion. Protection, he has told me, is the reason he is more of a 'logical emoter'.. (he also has Mercury and Venus in Aqua, 12th house; could explain his ability to ''detatch'' as much as I do...) and I totally respect that need to not totally share all the intimate thoughts going on in his head. I can see how much he feels however, he has a tendency to wear his heart on his sleeve when it comes to how other peoples afflictions affect him, and he cares so much about his family and friends, something I can totally relate to...

This bit that you said:
LOve for what you can give not for what you get this will ensure your abundant return.

reminds me of a quote I found recently:

Love is not what you get out of something, but what you put into it. --Unknown

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Ghani

posted January 11, 2005 04:34 PM              

What happened, why so negative about Pisces, we never mean any harm
If a Piscean lies it basically means that they don't trust you.

DON'T GET ME WRONG!, I'm not saying any of you are not to be trusted, I trust you. It's just that it takes time for any of us to feel secure enough to be honest. How long depends on how badly life has treated us. Some, unfortunately, will probably never get over what life has done to them.

Devilfish, you are too cool.

It takes allot of strength to be that honest, and I completely understand what you're saying.

There are good and bad people in this world, 1/12 of the human race cannot all be the same.

Aquarian Girl I honestly think you're better off without him. You can do much better.

posted January 11, 2005 04:35 PM            

I also have Sun/Merc/Mars in Aqua, 11th house... wow, there are a lot of us around here with Merc in Aqua... hmmmm... veddy intewesting...

posted January 11, 2005 04:44 PM              

neptune's mermaid.. i get what you are saying, but don't take it personally! i think aquas and pisceans, both being at the end of the wheel, are inherently similar, only one lives and expresses throo the mind, the other, the feelings. the challenge, the trick, is to find common ground, because both states are valuable.

with my pisces i am learning to remember how being in my emotions, and honest with them is important, and he is learning to put his emotions to words. and it is really the same thing, when you think about it. aquarians tend to deny their emotions, at least on the surface, which, in a way, is a form of dishonesty.. so the frustration is mutual, in these cases, i think..

we have to be patient with one another.