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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 12, 2005 10:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mystic Scorpio... I know! I don't hate my Pisces either At all! I'm just so frustrated, I'm at the point where I feel like "ok, its either him or me"... because I just feel I've given him every opportunity to be honest and direct... even if it is just to say "it's all too much too fast, I need some time, I'll explain later"... even if it was that! So... I feel like it's him or me in that I can either keep putting up with his crap and lose my self-respect... or face the truth, that he isn't the person I thought he was... Which is hard, but... it must be done. I, personally cannot live in a world of lies, I can't pretend not to know the truth, I'm not George Costanza after all! (if you believe it, then it's not a lie! lol... I bet George was a typical lower Pisces, heh)

AJ... yeah... us airy people have our vices and downfalls too... but I can't understand why one would choose to live amongst the Neptunian fog that useless, fishy little lies create... makes no sense to me.

Natasha... what you said about him making you feel like you twisted his arm to go... thats G all the way! Somehow he makes everything seem like it was my idea! Like I'm the instigator of everything we do. Which isn't true. And to be honest, his portrayal of the ex always troubled me, just because he always painted himself as blameless and innocent... and I know that's not true, even then.... but I never expected to sympathize with her to this extent. Actually this whole thing you said:

I am actually having lunch with my ex sometime this month and he will make me feel as if I twisted his arm to go. I think we need closure, and I know I sound superior when say that but I need my respect back.

That's exactly why I "dumped" him

*sigh*

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Devilfish
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posted January 12, 2005 10:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im sorry you got a bottom feeder fish AG,but not all of us are like that( i know you know that)every sign can be base.
that said i also want to point out with scorpio rising ( he is scorpio rising right?)sexual wandering can be common in those younger years (early twenties) are you the "rebound' after his ex? if so maybe he got a shot of self esteem being with you. Its just sad that he tried to get this at the expense of yours.move on knowing one advantage you have is that you are an aqua. and that gives you an inner strength to rise above such ugliness.think of the good qualities he had that attracted you to him and know that essentally those qualities are really your qualities and thats why you saw them in him.

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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 12, 2005 10:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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AquarianG, Souds like he has alot of air in his chart. I felt like that when you said how self centered he is. He must have like
a Scorpio moon with Aqua in merc,venus,Just sounds farmilar to me. If you were on the up and up when this started and you kept it real you WILL land on your feet trust me on that. You may feel bad now but in the end you will be a winner..

That's what I think.... it hurts me now, but in the long run I will be better off. He's a Virgo moon, Scorp rising/1st house Uranus, Mars in Cap, Venus in Aries, Mercury in Aqua... and I think Jupiter is in Pisces, Saturn in Cancer... he has this big tough guy fascade... you know... the super athletic cop, catching all the bad guys, fearless, part of a special unit... which is funny because he's a TOTAL mama's boy and so blo0dy mealy mouthed and non-confrontational... to a fault!!! As you can see with the ex and now with me.... ugh.

Anyway... sorry for ranting. I'm even sick of hearing myself rant, honestly.

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Mama Mia
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posted January 12, 2005 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now AG isn't that something my Aqua guy is the atheltic type and also a cop and yes they can be full of themselves just on that alone, cause they always have some other chic whispering in there ear. Well my thing is this yo s*** is not better then mine and if you don't believe me I can show you better then I can tell you. Vent rave all you like it helps, remember ths they always come back ESPECIALLy if you were a good women. Your paths will cross again and I just hope at that point you have moved on and is happy somewhere else so he will crack. Seen it happen to many times has happen to me to many times. I always come out on top no matter what your motives are/was. Keep it real at all times and you will always land on your feet. I know it hurts real bad right now its a lesson here though please get the lesson so you don't repeat it again. weepeth may last for a night but joy comes in the morning. REMEMBER THAT!!!! LOTS OF HUGGS TO YOU SWEETIE....

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was weird purple sparkles
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posted January 12, 2005 03:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hahaha/waaaah...

okay, i've got one for you. so last night my pisces boyfriend told me that he'd lied before when he told me that he was checking out some girls we saw. when it happened i was in the middle of talking to him, and i saw his attention was drawn to them.. i felt insecure, expressed it, and then he denied it. my ex was a compulsive liar and cheater, so it is a bit of a sore spot with me. i still felt that he had been, so i wanted to make sure, and he eventually said that yes he had been, and he was sorry and wouldn't do it again. but then it came up again last night (it's been a couple of months since then, and no similar incidents have taken place), and he told me that he'd lied about being attracted to them, because i didn't believe him. WHAT??!?!!

he promises he will never lie again.

oh my, pisces logic is confounding!!!
(like, seriously, WHAT?!?)

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neptune's mermaid
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posted January 12, 2005 05:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're better off without him then.

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Mama Mia
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posted January 12, 2005 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I second that... What is good for the goose it good for the gander. oooohhhhh when my mind really gets to going you in trouble...

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was weird purple sparkles
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posted January 12, 2005 05:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, i just reread my post and realized how confusingly i'd worded it. just so you know- he'd lied and said he WAS attracted to them, just because he thot i didn't believe me when he said he wasn't. i didn't not believe him, i just wanted to be sure, and to have enough reassurance to let it go, but he was impatient and would rather have me feel that he's not to be trusted than to keep stating the (much better!) truth, apparently. which is the confusing thing. is that a piscean martyr thing? fear of confrontation? victimization?

in any case, he realizes how stupid it was and is truly sorry. i just find it SO odd that he would lie about something when the truth was so much sweeter!

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neptune's mermaid
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posted January 12, 2005 06:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH sorry Purple Sparkles,

I thought you were talking about your ex.

Forget What I said

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was weird purple sparkles
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posted January 12, 2005 06:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey that's okay!! yup, i certainly did drop that ex! he is a, ooh, can't say it on linda land.. but.. pathological liar. different person altogether!

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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 13, 2005 12:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, purple sparkley that sounds EXACTLY like my ex-husband, lol... i can totally see myself having that convo with him... i feel for you he's a pisces sun, aries moon, cappy rising... with mars/venus also in pisces.... and hes VERRRY, VERRRY charming. his picture should be in the dictionary next to "charmer"... he has sun/venus in the first house (and mercury).

devilfish... oh yeah... he was very sleazy in his early 20s... actually, no... he's proven to have been very sleazy, period. but anyway... there really isn't a "rebound" relationship for him cause he was dealing with all these other women, but i suppose i'm the first "girlfriend" since the plastic boobie girl. he's 29. he's not a baby. plus... he's very self-absorbed... he would forever talk about himself... sometimes he would have been talking for 2 hours and i would be commiserating about his work crap before he had even asked me how i am or even how my day was... so... i guess... i should be happy?

mama mia... i'm starting to think what ppl say about cops is right... cops have a bad rep in relationships because they're supposed to be sleazy cheaters... but even if you have a good one, i'm thinking... it's just so hard to make a relationship work... i think his job has really messed with his head. i think because of all he sees, he's learnt to supress a lot of his feelings, just because he'd have to... and then the "loose" morality towards their relationships and marriages a lot of his colleagues have skewers everything even worse... even if he isn't doing the same things...

as each day goes by, i'm putting the whole thing down to a total write off. i just don't trust him.

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ariestiger
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posted January 13, 2005 06:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I just don't trust him"

Funny you should say that. I have a lot of Pisces in my chart myself, but some of the Pisceans I've encountered - well, they can seem to be OK, but I never know what they really think. The men DEFINETELY have p/a traits, and my Piscean aunt was supersensitive and could seem as if she was trying to understand you on the surface, but you always got the feeling she was laughing at you behind your back.

I mentioned this to a Libra friend, about one never knowing what Pisces really thinks, and she reckoned it's because they don't know what they think either. (She has a Pisces brother.)
Having a lot of Pisces influence in my own chart, I would volunteer a guess that partly it's because they don't want to offend - but in doing so completely submerge their own opinions - but at the same time probably completely disagree with you from an emotional point of view. (They are probably even more churned up about the situation than you are!!) If they are Aries cusp-born, or have a lot of Aries in their chart, there is a tendency for this angst/contradiction to be expressed through massive, temperamental explosions!

LOL

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sweetlibra
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posted January 13, 2005 08:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aquarian girl, My Aqua moon can totally relate with you.How that guessing game makes us go nuts.
Though i dont know any Pises men, i have a pises girl friend.I havent heard her lying.But she hides truth mainly not to offend others.!
I dont think you deserve this kind of treatment from anyone, Pisces or not.

*Hugs to you*

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scorpiongal
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posted January 13, 2005 10:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally agree with you sweet libra I did expereince that too a Pisces man to be lying
and I have very close girl friend and I hardly rember any instance where she has really lied....I was wondering is this lying thing more related to Pisces man.

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Mama Mia
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posted January 13, 2005 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is some turth to it. I am a Pisces girl and I am about nothing but the truth. I will admit though I hate to hurt peoples feelings so sometime I with hold things. But just out right lying no. I have quite a few Pisces girlfriends and we are all the same with being truthful it is a must to remain in our lives. And we are very truthful and frank with each other..

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Devilfish
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posted January 13, 2005 11:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok at the risk of unpopular ideaology here we go.......
i am a women pisces and i too value honesty(sag rising)BUT you know i do believe what we deem as bad begins to eat and rule us. without deception there is no truth and without truth there is no deception.if you place value on one and not the other you fail to see that neither is "good or bad" but rather two sides of the same coin.
to say one doesnt lie or HATES being lied to ultimately means one is lying to themselves. when one is blind to this it is projected onto others.when you become aware you are unable to be decieved because you see deception in yourself and therefore recognize it in others.
a clear indication of this is coninually picking the wrong mates .
i promise once you look at yourself completely and honestly you will begin to attract others that are like this.
harsh but true.

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Mama Mia
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posted January 13, 2005 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES I DevilFish I honestly believe you attract who you are. Figured that out long time ago....

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sthenri
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posted January 13, 2005 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aqua girl, be sure this Pisces bashing doesn't make you feel sorry for him in the end! It happens alot. He can absorb pain and radiate it.

as for cops being sleazy cheaters, I don't know, many men are sleazy cheaters but there is a tendency for any man who wants to be a better man to do what other men do, and they cheat. It comes from having no ability to make decisions.

example
ex b/f Gemini/Pisces rising says
"My friend Kevin said it would be a good idea to sleep with you first before we became serious"
So I said what do you want me to do, ask Kevin what we should have for breakfast too? and your therapist? and your mommy?

It was like that all the time, mommy said this, therapist said this, couldn't tell the truth because I told someone else and they said to do this...

Sure I'm bossy, but I am a Taurus, he was my love toy and I owned him! He liked that part, just not the part when he has to be alone for 3 minutes.

Nat

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neptune's mermaid
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posted January 13, 2005 12:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with you all the way Devilfish. I've been believing that for forever, who you are attracted to tells you alot about yourself.

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moonbaby
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posted January 13, 2005 01:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
devilfish, i am soo with you on the post you this...on the 1st page. that is me through and through. i also just read you are saggie rising. me cancer, saggie rising. hey-ho!!

thing is right now, i am extremely self-conscious. not in all entirety, but with regards to the way i communicate. i am self-conscious about being too intense, not being light enough. all i want is to be a source of pleasure to people....a big ol' pleasure ball.

my merc is in gem in the 7th house, so youd think this wouldnt be a problem. but it opposes my neptune which is in sag, in the first house. ok, i have no idea what that really means i am still developing my intuition in regards to reading charts. what i do know is what i think and how it comes out are two different things.

but anyways, i just feel stifled because i feel things too much and do not have any sort of outlet going on. none. i dont write poetry cos i feel funny about it. my whole attitude to it is....is weird. i dont paint, write, potter... nothing for about 6 years now and being such an imaginative, sensitive, utterly receptive person...i feel like a balloon, thats near bursting. its got to the stage where i dont want to talk because it comes out wrong.

being a cancer lady, i know we emote better than we talk. you can just feel us...i find that people can always read me. its scary but true. i can never hide anything and nor do i want to. i love to meet new people and talk and share and find out about them. i absolutely love it. but lately it just leaves me emptier and feeling frustrated because i feel i could have communicated myself better.

so many times i have thought of running from this site cos i think i am received wrong...but i dont want to do that because i love it here. it is amazing and warm and all things wonderful. and aint no way you can feel me if i am just sitting staring/...OR CAN YOU?? we should experiment....

so i am just gonna keep trying, working on it until my SElf and me are united.

anyways, i just wanted to share that with you.

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sthenri
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posted January 13, 2005 02:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Pisces brings out the martyr in all of us, I can be a bit of a martyr with my sister who has a Mars singleton in Pisces/1st house. She is very much self absorbed and I have been in trouble many times and took the blame a few times for her problems when she was younger. She also drinks/lies quite a bit. It's easy to be the martyr because it's functional.

But not everything in life has a reason, so it's important not to try and fix the situation or take the blame off hand.

Example I had a person come to be about something he bought he was unhappy with and he wanted me to fix it, by fixing it I taking the blame, so you have to ask yourself whether or not you WANT to fix the problem, not if you need to, or would like to, or can, or if it's your responsibility. You don't have to take the blame because no one will care but you. It's not like you are going to be remembered for what you did.

Having a very self absorbed sister growing up, helped me figure that out, so that if someone has a problem that I want to fix because I know I can, I always ask myself if I am getting anything out of it which is selfish. But I have to be selfish, or else I will be a martyr. one or the other.

I mean we all want to take away someone's heartbreaks, but it doesn't feel too good, and it's not our problem anyway to make someone happy ultimately. Men who are unhappy usually always are, they go nowhere. That's my experience. Even if there was a chance and I blew it, years later that guy is still nowhere where people are concerned.

So I am never sorry to say, hey it's not my problem because fixing that would suck for me.
And I say don't blame me because you feel bad today, I am not obsessed with fixing you, like you are obsessed with getting me to care.

Natasha

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Devilfish
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posted January 13, 2005 02:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH MOONBABY *HUGS*
you are a sweetie.
merc opp. neptune.=
"lack of self confidence that can be overcome through action, leaving the results to speak for themselves,vivid imagination.people can try to take advantage of you so be careful."
im sure ,despite overthinking what you say at times, your love and sincerity shine through to everyone communicating your intentions even without words.
avoid secrets,gossip and rumors(keep these to yourself) and this aspect will be easier.
your post was well expressed , i percieve you to be a gentle soul.
so please continue posting.
that said , this placement could also suggest asthma which would be emotional in orgin.
im glad you enjoyed and related to my post
ps....... oh yeah you were right to think that you do need an outlet for expression........do you like to decorate?just a suggestion but truely you do need to find one as it would be a real soothing boost to your heart.

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moonbaby
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posted January 13, 2005 03:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
devilfish, you are sweet. thnaks for reading and thank you for posting.

yea, i love to decorate....and clean.

will stop talking, thinking and start doing.

peace and love to yous

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littlefishee
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posted January 13, 2005 05:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, being a pisces myself, here goes

But it's more that you believe at the time you say it. And pisces are naturally just very private, so it's not that they're being deceptive so much as that they're afraid of being vulnerable. It's sort of like having to shield yourself from the rest of the world because they would hurt you if you came too close. A lot of pisces people (self included) "hide" themselves. It's more about self-protection than lying.

Also, in terms of lying about little things that are unimportant; it's more that they believe its the truth at the time. A lot of times people will say that something is false, but it could just be misinformation, or it's what they "believe" (*key word) is true.

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sthenri
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posted January 13, 2005 08:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW what you are attracted to is what you are running away from in yourself,

Natasha

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