posted May 08, 2006 09:03 PM              

About your Sag, I think sometimes Pisces think that if a person spills their enthusiasm all over that they --the Pisces--could not possibly be special to that person. This is often just not true. I know that when I go see Doc I am very cheerful with his receptionist (a Leo man whose sort of funny and has children in college) and his nurse (a Scorpio woman). The nurse and I talk intimately about our daughters, growing up Catholic and marriage. But this is the rub. I don't write any of those people and never speak to them outside the office. Also they see me as a patient and I never mention Doc's name to them. They could not possibly know my heart despite my chatting. But he does. So for example, when the nurse took my blood pressure the last time. She said it was always higher in the office ("white coat syndrome")--She kept saying, don;t be afraid of Dr. *****. He's really a nice man. You know that. Don't be afraid of him...."

Well of course I had to smile to myself, laugh really because it proved that I did not ever reveal my true feelings about him to her or anyone there!

Sorry to hear about your Gemini Sun/Mercury love. My older sister who is also my best friend, also has Gemini Sun/Mercury and 2 Pisces planets..she is married to a Pisces Mercury. I think she broke a few hearts along the way but has met her soulmate and match. Me? Gosh I don't think I've ever broken anyone's heart, not knowingly.

The one step, two steps scenario you describe is very familiar to me. Sort of scary but nice. Yes! I will have to help Doc on this creative project. He keeps saying I inspire him but he is still not moving. He has a great deal to say and offer the world but he hates to appear pompous or arrogant. I am hoping his Aqua placements and his Aries MC/Leo Uranus singleton will help him along.

Speaking of the gaze, the last time we met was the first time in a decade that I was aware of me having to shift my eyes first--alot. I am usually the wide eyed jubliant staring girl--very Sag Ascendant of me. Two weeks ago I could not get him to stop staring, to stop looking and I had to for once look away occasionally. I was starting to fall in and felt flustered Taurus Venus trine Saturn). The gaze was that pentrating shy, I can't believe I'm hearing her say this!!! look...but it was uncharacteristically bold because he did not blink or avert--which I am used to...He simply kept locking in. Gives me shivers recalling it.

posted May 09, 2006 10:36 AM              

Sigh, if only I knew (what she thinks/feels or wants). However even after knowing it would be tough going.

Yeah, it surely is funny “white coat syndrome”
Hmm, 1-2 step process looks scary. However there are others (like Q mentioned), who want you to take all the steps and they won’t take even single step “they like to wait for you to pour out your soul onto them. “ … Its all fishy

Wow, sometimes we try to compensate …if we are the ones shying from eye contact, one fine day we decide to try and act like a normal person (who doesn’t shy eye contact). Or maybe we try to look for signs or responses (for deciphering something) from other person.
Hey is it your other side of Gemini “The gaze was that pentrating shy, I can't believe I'm hearing ‘her’ say this!!!” …. ‘her’

posted May 09, 2006 10:54 AM              

LOL... That's what he looked like he was thinking. He might have been thinking, for the love of Christ, this woman is driving me absolutely nuts (he always always sits with his leg cross propped up over the knee with my folder on top, and he is always rubbing, scratching/adjusting his thigh there.. I'm not kidding. Rash or nervousness....

I once started talking to him--and I talk very fast --sometimes. Then I apologized and asked if I was driving him nuts with my questions (medical). He said, Oh no, no--I'm juust absorbing everything you're saying. The second time I asked (a later visit) he laughed and said "Yes, you're driving me crazy." Then we both laughed hard and I apologized again....LOL...

Now the Sag. What would you do if she took you aside and said she really liked you, that she could not stop thinking about you. SO then what? What would you do? Probably torture yourself more....?

Kamilla,

posted May 09, 2006 06:21 PM              

Pisces asc over here...

Personally, I feel that I'll miss something if I avert my eyes even for a fraction of a second. Yes, i'm always curious...trying to unlock what it is that caught my attention from the person I fell in love with. I have this thing where I want to unlock everyone's personality...see what it is that predicts everything else in their personality. The key that unlocks everything else.

I cut him off b/c I think 2 yrs was good enough for him to say anything...but if he didn't have any feelings...I wouldn't be able to stay friends and not go insane if I ever spot him w/ another grl (guess that's my leo moon working there).

Since we have been speaking about eyes in this post...can you guys tell me how a cappy or saggi asc person eyes would look? He's a libra...but he has will smith's posture (pretty tall btw), so I checked up on will smith, and his asc is saggi. But I'm not sure about the cappy asc b/c he has this serious look that some people have been initially scared to approach him, and when they got to be friends w/ him, they told him he looks scary.

So please tell me how a cappy or saggi asc w/ libra sun eyes would look? I only ask b/c there have been instances where I don't expect to see him, but he appears out of nowhere and his eyes are sooooo penetrating, that I feel that if a soul could be naked....he definitely stripped my soul naked and froze me in my position. I obviously...me being me, wouldn't back down on an eye challenge and continued looking back (I think the terror was showing in my eyes...trying to figure out what the hell he's doing there, and why he would look at me like that). As I reached the stairs, I broke the contact and walked really fast, not looking back. The whole day I was so nervous from that odd encounter that I looked everywhere as I walked, so that at least I'd expect to see him, and wouldn't be so surprised (college campus...that's the setting).

You know Ayn Rand's book the Fountainhead...howard roark looking at dominique in that manner the first time....that's definitely how I felt.

Just a lil tid bit: I read up on something where there was a research on eyes and love. If you stare long enough in someone's eyes, you will fall in love with them. I wish I had the link...but that was long ago.

posted May 09, 2006 09:56 PM              

LillyGirl,
Well I too used to sit cross legged. Both excitement and bit of nervousness.
You Gems, can you talk slowly (my Gem galfrnd also used to speak fast) We Pisces (at least me) are slow in contemplating things (maybe we go in dreams or think something else while someone talks). It happens many times, that after 2/3 days (even months) we think ‘oh, why didn’t I ask this in response to what she had said … I could have asked this and that’ all after the moment has gone. Never impromptu Maybe the answer (crazy) that came from Doc was after giving thought to 1st time.

Well as for me, I really had something in mind to do yesterday (opening up a bit with deeper conversation.. like “let me know if you require me or my help”). However it appears nothing is going to go anywhere (there are hardly any interactions), so I too decided to pull up the gates (and not just open them unless someone knocks) as it’s only me getting hurt by my own emotions. (I guess it – decision might also be due to current transits – Mars squaring my Pluto). Being at workplace, it would be difficult to have total cut off as there would be quiet a few interactions. I guess I just need to carry on. Hopefully I again get to go away (if possible for good). Its all a learning experience.
Hope this is not temporary transits effect that everything (mushy feelings) comes back after a while ….

It just doesn’t go, Pisces an emotional sensitive sign – Sagi Fire (I mean the level of difference in emotional sensitivity will always be there). Some kind of balance needs to be worked out for making it work.

Now I understand, its better (for us emotional watery creatures) that other person pour’s out completely. The step-step process is going to hurt if things don’t fall in place.

I have no answer… not sure, I think it would be more of going with flow for me. Torture may not occur when the feelings and relation is going good.

I think it again is the NEED thing (giving nature), if you make Pisces not only feel (but communicate) that you Need him, he is there. If not, even if he likes you he might not come out as he sees your need first over his (which is why you need to take the initiative and show that you need him, else he will keep his feelings inert).

posted May 10, 2006 01:56 AM              

Yeah like I asked earlier...I thought cappys don't like making the move....but since u poured your heart out...no point in sticking around. If he wants you, he'll find everyway to get to you, no matter what.

posted May 10, 2006 01:57 PM              

I really don’t know what Venus in Pisces person is like, as compared to Sun in Pisces. I think you should just forget him (I assume your letter was really read by him). I think those who have clear sight of what they want, would respond positively or negatively. Others just might get mashed up between their own self trying to figure out what they need to do. (Again I got Mercury in Aries, so I might be more communicative on things which I am clear about; don’t know what others would do).

I understand the hard feelings, negativity and hurt (maybe due to love or maybe due to rejection). As I also am going through the same… with rare interactions with her and also she keeping a distance from me – visible example - On quiet a few occasions she used to sit just beside me in meetings and today it was 1 chair between us. I felt hurt and am still am, however I guess that’s what I wanted … My transits explains quiet a bit of all the happening stuff … Moon - opp my Aries Moon, & Sq Cancer Mars, Mars Sq Libran Pluto, Venus opp Node, Node opp Node (Estrangement - this opp is for a long time 3/4 months), Sun opp Uranus (sudden disharmony in love), Pluto Sq Sun, Node Conj Aries Venus – other aspects surely override this (Ignoring the trines and sextiles).

Just hoping everything – hurt & attraction subsides soon. Its always tough fight when your mind & emotions/feelings are against each other OR both the minds against each other, if there are 2 minds ) (Neptune Sq Uranus)

Good thing is getting hurt before going into a serious relationship is better than after wards, Once I have experienced don’t want it again. And I am leaving all the romantic ideals (Uranus Sq Sagi Neptune) behind “Do not fear falling in love thinking that it would hurt you later on” (not the precise quote, however the meaning is conveyed)…..
Hope it (one’s compassion n all) gives benefit to someone else (downtrodden, people in need, poor) who are in real need. It’s a pity that I am bit lost (neither in both the worlds), away from spiritualism…. which was so interesting & on my mind a few years ago. … Answer to all the life’s troubles … liberation of mind from the materialistic world …. Sigh, I wonder would I ever get back deep into it - spiritualism)

Kamilla,
Can a Sagi be with such a one …. I guess he has no fire & wind in his chart. Lucky ME … to have quiet a bit of balance (Sagi Asc, Aries Moon/Venus/Merc), else who knows I would be in same state of a ‘loser’. (Nothing against your Pisces… Its just a normal state for us, I guess … Hope both of you find love and peace – separated or together)

posted May 10, 2006 04:54 PM              

I'm sure that would have got him going to respond, and if he didn't, well, tooo bad for him.

posted May 13, 2006 01:23 PM              

Just 2 days ago, I thought to go and have a frank discussion (more of questions for her), whether she was keeping a distance from me, whether she felt I was keeping a distance and if so did she knew the reason. And maybe I would also tell her that I had feelings of a bonding with her, hence the reason for keeping a distance from her for overcoming these feelings.... I wanted to know the facts, did she really have any feelings for me or is it just me having attraction to her.

I just went to her and had an interaction with her (pretext was already present), and first I thought it will get over after few sentences. However it was for a while, though not just two of us, however she didn't try to keep distance... she did get close (not so close however a bit) while talking to me. I couldn’t discuss what I had thought earlier as it was not the right place (with few ppl around).
And later in the evening I had gone out with other frnds and feeling bit lonely ... that she was not there with us Every time I am with her there is some feeling of connection/closeness/attraction.
I thought of having the discussion next day; however it was a disappointment as she had already gone on vacation with her family.

Lillygirl,
I was thinking on what motivates us (Pisces) to do things. I am not sure if this would work - We being emotional, emotions can be one of the tools for making us do something. I know it is some kind of manipulation (using emotions) however if it is for good of other person then it shouldn't be an issue. Also other thing is, we put other's needs first. So if you portray that its your need for getting something done, and act needy asking him to help out, maybe he will take on the stuff putting his dilemmas aside (giving importance to your need first).

posted May 13, 2006 02:30 PM              

Try not to despair. Life has a way of unfolding in its time. She'll come from back from vacation and you can try to speak to her again. Perhaps pull what's in your head and heart out into the light...too much teeth gnashing, too much internalizing. The feelings are valid but they can't live healthily festering, smoldering up there privately in your head. What happens is the message is so much more potent (to you) as it is hidden the most quiet, unseen UNSPOKEN recess of your heart ...

Relax. Take a deep breath...When she returns, SPEAKETH MAN!, speak .....

As for me...I am completely lost without my Pisces but loath to need and ask for help--when I do he is there for me and I revel in it...

posted May 16, 2006 11:52 PM            

Yeah, that was stupid. Pisces don't jump all over ultimatums, I've learned. He stopped calling, wouldn't answer my calls. I finally poured my guts out to him and apologized, saying i'd do anything to get back in the good with him. He still hasn't written or called.

posted May 17, 2006 12:50 PM              

I know what I can give in a relationship or do for someone I love. Hence sometimes I expect the same from other person FIRST, as we are very sure about our own commitment that we want others to make us feel secure about their commitment. So that once we feel secure we give our whole heart and soul for you.

Hope your pisces gets back to his sunny self with you.