posted August 19, 2006 06:07 AM              

Also you cannot ignore the sign of the South/North Node and just focus on the house placement both need to be blended together in interpretation.

How would you know which traits needs to be balanced in the chart.

And one last thing yes the South Node Cancer indicates excessive emotionality.

posted August 19, 2006 06:37 AM            

No the South Node in Cancer has 4th house issues. The above is a personality trait.
How the South Node deals with it depends on the rest of the natal chart.

posted August 19, 2006 06:42 AM            

I don't think that we should generalize about node placements. They are not personal points any way. I am not assume that a person with north node in Libra is strong Libra type.

Not all charts have other indicators that support the south node in sign placement.

There are so many things can modify the chart. I take the whole chart into account. That's what astrologers are supposed to do. Not just focus on one point and assume that personality is that way. That's not real Astrology. That's like looking at my Ascendant in Virgo and judging me as being highly detailed,organized,precise,practical,and routine. The thing is that I am not that way. I have Moon in Pisces in 6th house square Neptune in 3rd. That really modifies it quite a bit.

I am sorry I just don't take books for gospel.

Just because an astrologer said so in a book doesn't necessarily make it so.

A lot of astrologers disagree on things. A person has to see for themselves. I haven't noticed any significance in the south node as a major influence in personality.

Like I said before, I have South Node in Leo,and I don't have strong Leo traits.

posted August 19, 2006 06:42 AM            

Glaucus,

Logically, you have to learn astrology from something. Everyone does. It's not something that's inborn. I think what you're saying could be more precisely expressed as you don't always go for cookbook interpretations, because obviously a great number of interpretations that you've read on a variety of things must resonate with you, which is why you enjoy studying astrology.

You say that you have a Leo South Node, but you don't find yourself to be at all like a Leo. Have you noticed how much you've put yourself out there in front of us all in the short time you've been here? I'm not at all saying that sarcastically or as an attack (because my 5th house Moon loves to emote to the masses as well). I'm saying that when you look at your own interactions here objectively can you not see how great your desire has been to show everyone exactly who you are, what your frailties are, and what your strengths are? Have you not sensed your sort of instant celebrity here? The rapport you quickly charm people into? You're not a lurker, or someone who goes around meekly never drawing attention to yourself. I feel like I know more about you than I do some other people who've been around quite a bit longer than you. I've personally seen Leonine qualities in how you've presented yourself so far on this board, so I'm wondering if you're just seeing Leo qualities as bad, and therefore don't want to acknowledge them within yourself.

I have a 5th House Moon, a Gemini Ascendant (and a stellium in Sagittarius), and I'm considered quiet and/or shy by most who know me... but I'm truly not afraid to talk and I can pull out the extrovert if I need to. Sometimes I have to because not all situations are compatible with being a quiet person. My Cancer South Node makes me very sensitive, but my Capricorn Sun can turn stone cold if the situation calls for it. It doesn't mean that those qualities/traits go away, it just means that I don't express them 100% of the time. We all know that certain traits or certain parts of a chart are activated more dominantly at different times according to the situation at hand.

posted August 19, 2006 06:53 AM            

Cancerian issues and 4th house issues are the same. Issues equate to traits specifically. You can't have an issue without also having a trait. Often there are many traits that can accompany issues.

To explain:

If a person has lack of money issues it could be due to any of the following traits:

- laziness
- lack of self-discipline
- poor management skills
- feelings of abundance

posted August 19, 2006 06:55 AM            

Being passionate and intense about the things that I love doesn't mean that I have Leo traits. What the hell are you jumping to conclusions for. I like to friggen communicate with others. I chat a lot online. I like to help people with Astrology and share things that I know just like I learn stuff from other people. How in the world does make me a Leo type.

I would suggest that you don't assume stuff without even knowing me. That really angers me.

For your information, I am very introverted,shy,private person who doesn't even socialize much. I am far from being egotistical and putting myself in front in here.

For crying out loud, this is an internet forum. This is a place to communicate about things. My love of communication,helping others in Astrology,and sharing what I know has nothing to do with Leo.

I have Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Neptune in 3rd along with Sun in 2nd close to 3rd house cusp. With all that 3rd house planets, I have a very high degree of nervous energy and very strong emphasis on communications which can lead to heavy communications on this forum. Even with my mutable,cadent t-square can indicate a lot of restlessness. My Uranus conj Mercury/Ascendant midpoint can also indicate strong nervous energy. Also my 1st house ruler in 3rd and 3rd house in ruler house mutual reception can indicate strong nervous energy as well.

My posting a lot and sharing what I know and what I experienced has nothing to do with my being Leo.

I am just posting and communicating because I like this forum. I love Astrology. I am a member of numerous yahoo Astrology groups for years. I have over 60 Astrology books and 3 Astrology software programs including Kepler,Solar Fire,and Starlight.

I hang out in #horoscopes channel on IRC,and I am an operator there. I use the nick,Glaucus there. I have been regular in irc channels since 1999. I have done a lot of readings for others. I don't do it for my ego nor for attention. I just do it because I love helping people. I guess that is my Pisces Moon in 6th square Neptune,Virgo Ascendant..the strong emphasis on service,helping. My Ceres sextile Midheaven might even play a part.

any ways...I would appreciate that you would assume things about me. You don't know me.

My Mercury conjunct Venus in Scorpio in 3rd indicates my intense,highly focused communications.

posted August 19, 2006 07:01 AM              

There needs to be a blending of the traits of Cancer and the house focus. Which include oversensitivity and issues with the past and of letting go of the past. In the past they may have lived life through children and the soul is now learning to live for itself. The soul is learnig to find a balnce between the Signs/Houses where the Nodes are placed.

posted August 19, 2006 07:15 AM            

Didn't I say not to take it as an attack? It wasn't. I'm not trying to rake you through the mud at all. I'm ONLY trying to make the point. And I'm not assuming anything. I'm pointing out what I see.

Leos are also passionate and intense about the things they love. That's a fixed sign trait all around. You can go to Global Unity right now, and see a Leo named Jwhop being quite passionate and intense about the politics he loves. You can also see his temper on display.

I didn't say that chatting online makes you a Leo. All of us here chat online.

Everything you wrote in your post deals with Aquarius North Node. What's Aquarius North Node about? What's Aquarius about? It's about groups. You're a member of how many groups? It's about humanitarianism. Why do you like doing charts? Do you see what I'm getting at?

posted August 19, 2006 07:25 AM              

The South Node in leo does have power issues so power struggles and egocentric control of the group often feature in past lives. Overwhelming pride may be a feature of this Node and the way you have just attacked Accoustic God I sense this has something to do with pride. Your soul has to practice humility and co-operation.

I'm am sorry for being harsh I hate to see people attacked and you and linda are being childish in making your point.

posted August 19, 2006 07:35 AM            

I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio
Pluto in 1st
Moon quincunx Pluto
Moon conjunct Mars
Venus square Mars

my midpoints:
Mars/Pluto midpoint square Asc - '04
Pluto square Sun/Mars - '14
Moon sesquiquadrate Sun/Pluto - '04
Sun square Pluto/MC - '42
Sun conjunct Pluto - '46

Sun conjunct true Black Moon - '22
Sun conjunct Ixion - '05
Moon square Varuna - '10

That's my INTENSITY AND PASSION!

it's not some friggen LEO!

I know myself and my chart a lot more than you do!!

Don't friggen try to pidgeon-hole me

That crap don't fly with me

Just like I don't let blacks pidgeon-hole me as Black because I am part black. Instead, I consider myself multiethnic because I embrace my Black,White,Hispanic,and Native American ancestry.

Ixion is a plutino that is larger than Ceres and being considered to be added to the list of planets. It's orbit is 1 yr slower than Pluto. It shares 3:2 resonance with Neptune like Pluto. Therefore it's considered a plutino.

posted August 19, 2006 07:45 AM            

I am a person who is very shy. I was even diagnosed as having an anxiety disorder and dysthymia. One of the reasons why I am very shy is that I have speech and auditory processing problems that can cause problems for me in communications. People assume that I am stupid,slow,inattentive when I am not. I am not stupid. I am not retarded. I am Dyslexic and Dyspraxic with above average intelligence.

That's how I feel about a stranger judging me by my posting a lot in here. I don't need people pidgeon-holing me. I wouldn't do it to people in here.

I didn't insult anybody. I tell that person that is wrong and I am right. I just don't disagree. How in the hell is that childish. I am an astrologer. I know how to read charts. I don't see the significance of South Node in sign alone. That doesn't necessarily mean that I don't know how to read a chart. A lot of astrologers disagree on things. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are right nor wrong. That doesn't necessarily mean that they can't do Astrology. That's not how I have addresssed people in here. I said that I don't believe in focusing strongly on South Node for personality traits,and I told you why. I said that I didn't see that influence nor do I have that strong influence.

As for my Aquarius Node,

I have Mars in Aquarius in 6th
I have Uranus trine Midheaven
Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus midpoint
Uranus conjunct Mercury/Ascendant midpoint
Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint

posted August 19, 2006 07:59 AM              

I never accused you of being stupid. But the Nodes Sign/House work together that is reading a chart as a "whole" not saying I will put more significance on house placement and less on sign.

We are not talking here about the outer planets in signs. We are debating the sign of the Nodes and their meaning.

I look for themes in reading charts, themes repeat your most important lessons.

Obviously yes doing a chart reading your looking at the chart as a whole, but in this debate we are talking about Nodes in Signs.

Ascendant Virgo - this is what your learning to be this lifetime traits you are developing. I have the same Ascendant I am not always detailed and organized. But I am learning to be. I can relate to you on this.

I don't take every book as gospel you are assuming things now. I do take what works in my interpretation. And yes my past life book on Nodes works. I see them work in my life and my family's.

I must admit this is a very enjoyable debate. I have always loved debating getting my view across. But if I am wrong I am not afraid to say so.

posted August 19, 2006 08:02 AM            

I wanted to show you the similarities of Dyslexic Speech and Schizophrenic Speech as well the need for psychiatrists to
differentiate Dyslexic speech from schizophrenic. There needs to be
medical testing done. They cannot just go by what they see. You cannot judge a book by its cover. That's what happened to be me for years. I was called mentally retarded by other children because of my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia problems in school. Even as an adult,my problems
got me seen as being stupid by my coworkers in my workplace. The same
problems got me misdiagnosed as schizoaffective bipolar. There needs
to be better understanding of Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,and not just
ADHDers. Those conditions do tend to overlap with each other. I was
diagnosed as having auditory form of Dyslexia with
coordination/balance difficulties at the age of 4 years old. I was
diagnosed inattentive type ADHD in 2004. The TOVA test is not a good test for attention deficits because people with sensory
integration issues can do poorly on that test.

page 47 to 49 from

A SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE OF DYSLEXIA(The DISCOVERY OF
CEREBELLAR-VESTIBULAR SYNDROMES by Harold N. Levinson, MD

Occasionally, dyslexics manifested a "loose" and telescopic quality to
their associative speech or thinking styles, and as a result tended to
be rapid,wordy, and rambling in their spontaneous descriptions. This
interesting speech pattern appeared independent of anxiety factors,
and tended to resemble a schizophrenic's "loose associations" and
tangential thinking. However, these dyslexic children were not
psychotic, and lacked autistic preoccupation and projective thinking
mechanisms. They merely seemed to forget momentarily the direction of
their thought sequences and/or the thoughts and words themselves.
Occasionally, the temporal spacing between words and sentences was
shorter than normal and even dysmetric.

Later studes noted nonpsychotic "absentminded" adult dyslexics to
manifest similar loose,wordy, and rambling speech patterns ----
clearly demonstrating the need to qualitatively and diagnostically
distinguish dyslexic speech patterns from schizophrenic patterns
(Kasaninin, 1964). Upon analysis, this loose, absent-minded dyslexic
thinking style prone to slips was found to be due to the very same
underlying memory, directional, and temporal spatial dyscoordination
mechanisms characterizing dyslexic reading, writing, and spelling.

Not infrequently these so-called absent-minded individuals intend to
do say or do one thing and wind up saying or doing another, even the
opposte of what was originally intended. Forgetting is commonplace. As
a result, the dyslexic's speech and action patterns may often exhibit
a disoriented and disjointed, even comical, quality, which many
clinicians fallaciously consider due to primary psychogenic
determinants. However, upon analysis, the dyscoordination or slip
between intention and speech or motor response was most often found
lacking a primary emotional causation, and appeared qualitatively
consistent with the dyslexic symptomatology. In retrospect, these
slips invariably provoked secondary emotional attempts at
compensation; and the unsuspecting psychiatrist and psychologist will
unwittingly mistake secondary defensive reaction with primary
causation. For example, some dyslexics become embarassed, blush, and
retreat socially as a result of their slips, while others attempt to
joke and rationalize them away.

Paradoxically, some dyslexics were found to demonstrate highly
organized, crystal-clear thinking and expressive styles. Upon
analysis, many of these individuals were found to have had subtle and
compensated speech impediments during their early childhood. In
retrospect, their highly condensed speech patterns appeared to be
defensive or adaptive attempts at minimizing speech output and
thinking errors. Although these dyslexics were often incapable of
spontaneous free-associative and reflective speech, they were more
than capable of performing these same very same functions in silence.
For example, when asked to freely think aloud about a question, they
could not or would not. But they could, and would,invariably produce
the answer after a silent pause----clearly demonstrating their highly
developed, silent associative and reflective thinking capacities.
Following recognition and resolution of their guarded or defensive
speech mechanisms, many learned to think aloud and to express
themselves without embarassed or fear of criticism. Later adult
stories not only confirmed these observations but revealed the
existence of dyslexics who were capable of free association and
reflection only when writing. Their fluent and lucid writing styles
appeared to be motivated similarly by dyslexic verbalization
difficulties which were compensated for by gifted and/or unhampered
writing functions.

Because the ability to free-associate is a cardinal and essential
prerequisite for candidates being evaluated for psychoanalytic
therapy, and since this ability may be nonverbally present, it
behooves psychiatrists and psychoanalysts to explore seriously these
clinical considerations in their diagnostic-treatment assessment of
psychoanalytic patients.

The first part are my problems. That's why I was misdiagnosed as
having schizoaffective bipolar by psychiatrists years ago in
adulthood,and they never did any medical testing. They only went by
what they observed.

Luckily, Dr Levinson understood that my speech and thoughts weren't
psychotic but Dyslexic. I saw Dr Levinson in June of 2005. He is the psychiatrist/neurologist who diagnosed me as having cerebellar vestibular dysfunction and recognized my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,sensory integration difficulties. He didn't diagnose me with any mental illness. He thought my problems were neurological.

The second part is me too....mainly compensatory thinking,speech
mechanisms.

Raymond

posted August 19, 2006 08:09 AM            

The most common and subtle disturbances found among Dyslexics, often leading many to become shy and avoid necessary speaking, are input
and output speech lags. In the presence of a drifting sound input,many dyslexics will hear the sound and not know its meaning until
several seconds or even several minutes later, If the sound sequence coming into the brain drifts, it will take the thinking brain several seconds or several minutes to compensate for the processing
disturbance, and the patient will frequently ask "What?" This reflex response allows the patient time to compensate for the drifting input and eventually know what was said. Not infrequently, dyslexics will speak loudly, perhaps to compensate unknowingly for auditory processing difficulties. If the motor speech responses drift, or if
there are impaired word memory or concentration mechanisms, then
there will be a lag between the intention to say something and the actual motor speech response. Memory disturbances for word and
thought recall may so complicate the spontaneous speech flow that many dyslexics develop "loose," rambling, and disjointed speaking styles and are naturally viewed as scatterbrained. Some dyslexics
often talk rapidly and even interrupt others before forgetting their thoughts. This "dyslexic speech style" must be clinically
differentiated, by a clinician, from more serious neurological and psychological disturbances affecting the speech process, such as those that underlie the loose and rambling speech of psychotic or aphasic patients. Not infrequently, dyslexics reporta dyscoordination between the speed of their thought processes and the speed with which
their motor speech mechanisms are capable of working, often resulting in symptoms such as stuttering, word hesitation, and word or thought forgettting----resulting in speech or social phobias. (Similar mechanisms result in writing symptoms.)

posted August 19, 2006 08:15 AM            

Don't judge me by my chart. You wouldn't like it if I did it to you.

also I didn't assume anything about you. I didn't tell you that you took books for gospel. I was saying straight up that I don't take books for gospel. That had nothing to do with you. I just don't easily believe in stuff. I look for myself.

Like I said again, don't take a placement and try to nail me down. That's bullcrap. I don't use the chart in that way.