posted August 16, 2006 12:19 PM            

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NORTH NODE IN CAPRICORN:
Attributes to develop

Self control
Self respect
Staying goal orientated
Sensible approaches to problem solving
Letting go of the past
Keeping commitments and promises
Self care
Accepting responsibility for success

Tendencies to leave behind:

Dependence
Moodiness
Insecurity leading to inaction
Limiting self through fear
Using the past to avoid the present
Lack of self respect
Avoidence of personal risk
Controlling others through emotional overreactions

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Capricorn North Node People have spent many lifetimes as householders as central figures.
Through these incarnations, a natural understanding of how families work and the emotional attunement to others that is characteristic of this nodal group. But they have not had a lot of past-life experience being out on their own. And although in this lifetime their greatest joy will come from being out in the world, the problem is getting them out there!
By giving up worldly experience to be in the home, they sacrificed their sense of competence and self-respect. In this incarnation, they are learning to be in charge of their own destinies.

In past lives the home was everything to these folks, and all their needs were taken care of by the family: They were fed, clothed, given shelter, and protection. So they came into this lifetime with tremendous dependence needs and now look to others to help them “Get their life together.” When things don’t go as they want, they overreact emotionally, subconsciously hoping that others will see how upset they are and change their behavior. But other people perceive this as a means of controlling and are unwilling to modify their behavior just to appease these natives.

Capricorn North Node people are learning that in order for their lives to work, they must approach situations from a position of being “in charge.” They must discard all tendencies to manipulate people through emotional outbursts, and instead approach others from a position of authority—with quiet self-respect that is removed from emotional reactions. It is a by-product of taking charge of themselves and having their own life goals. From a take-charge position, they can relate to equals without depending on other’s goals for security.

These folks have difficult family karma. Too often, they are born into a situation where immediate family members have many emotional problems and the Capricorn North Nodes spend a lot of time being sensitive and empathetic. However, they are drained by the incessant demands of those around them because they take on others’ problems but don’t feel capable of helping them change.

From past lives, Capricorn North Node people are so used to nurturing family members that they have lost a sense of their own direction. Thus, in this lifetime they tend to have difficulty when they get too close to members of their immediate family. Actually, the problem isn’t the closeness but rather their subconscious intent: “If only I can get this person on track, then finally I can have my own life, pursue my own goals, and be a person in my own right.” Because of this subconscious motive, their “support” of family members has an unpleasant emotional intensity. They want to “get it over with” so they can live their own life.

The problem is twofold: (1) trying to get the other person on track is a way to postpone making the commitment to taking of their own lives; and (2) trying to help someone achieve success is premature when they have no yet learned how to do it themselves.

The first job for these folk is to decide to distance themselves from total emotional involvement with their family. Once they let go, they are in a position to proceed with their own life. It is fine for them to being touch with family members when they can objectively understand others’ emotional needs from a detached position. When their happiness is no longer dependant on resolving problems of everyone in the family, they are actually quite good at managing the family in a way that bring productive results for all concerned.

Capricorn North Node people have an insatiable need to feel secure. From past lives they are accustomed to being nurtured and protected, and although in this lifetime they are the ones scheduled to provide for others, they remain content to just breath their way through life—to just get through it with as little exertion as possible! They like the safety of routines: waking up at a certain time, eating at a certain time, coming home, watching television or reading, going to bed at a certain time. Ultimately, however, they will have to leave their routines behind to find the greater security of self-confidence: knowing they can take risks and succeed.

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Jan Spiller's interpretation is much longer than this, and very much hits the nail on the head.

posted August 16, 2006 12:36 PM            

Those are not personality traits

That's just a guideline to follow to help you understand how to live up to the potential of a Capricorn North Node.

posted August 16, 2006 12:52 PM            

thanks for telling me

posted August 16, 2006 01:30 PM            

Read up, and maybe you'll learn something. Check into your own NN. Does it not say anything about who you are? Did you notice that the people of that thread were agreeing with the NN interps? Did you see SunChild's post to Lauren/Aries-chick? There were a lot of emotional issues with Taurus NN (which is opposite a water sign like mine) as well. Want me to find more?

Here's another place that Lauren talks about her SN, and it's affect on her life: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007093.html
In that same thread sdg1844 says:
"I was blown away reading the descriptions which I feel suit me to a tee. I got this amazing book on Nodes where it talked about constructive self-interest and how I needed alot of time to myself. Truer words were never spoken! The book is called "Astrology for The Soul" by Jan Spiller. changed my life profoundly."

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North Node in Capricorn, South Node in Cancer
The South Node in Cancer indicates an intense desire to care for people. However, overconcern with other people’s emotional well-being may be a sign of your fear of taking charge of your own destiny. This overconcern shows itself as dwelling on the past, being afraid to come out of your shell, making other people’s feelings your problem. You are here to rediscover the thrill of achieving your goals. You need to let other people work out their own problems, and develop and cultivate your own ambition. When you do this, eventually others will come in to support you! You are a natural born leader and manager. Because you have the gift of empathy, people trust you, and you find fulfillment when you set up structures that support everyone’s well-being. Focusing on your vision for the future will help you let go of the past. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007093.html http://north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/nodes

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See touchstone's interp on her Cap NN: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008682.html

From Bob Marks: http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Nodes33.0.htm
"Important Point: When you finally learn to express your North Node, the positive traits of your South Node sign shine through."

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North Node in Capricorn: Your job is to be more practical, efficient, organized, and ambitious. With your South Node in Cancer, there is too much of a tendency to be emotional. More than that, a Cancer South Node can be downright immature, like a cranky child. Don’t expect Mommy (or a substitute) to serve your needs forever. Do it yourself. On the positive side, when you do grow towards your Capricorn North Node, those Cancer traits can keep you from become too cold and aloof. Efficiency with feeling.

Judd Hirsch: has the North Node in Capricorn. It is also in the 10th house. This is a double influence and emphasizes career quite strongly. Notice the roles that made him famous. There was Alex on “Taxi”, a neurotic character who is obviously capable of much more but who works as a cab driver. Then, there was the title role on “Dear John.” The entire show was based on John’s experience in a therapy group. In the film “Ordinary People” (for which he got an Oscar nomination) he did a turn as a Capricorn type, playing a therapist. But even here, he kept telling his patient to express feelings.

Woody Allen managed to make a profession (Capricorn) of his South Node in Cancer. The character he plays is a highly emotional hypochondriac who won’t grow up and is constantly complaining. Woody turned this into a successful career! Capricorn can make a profitable business from almost anything. Woody’s Capricorn North Node is in his 5th house (creativity) which led him into the arts. Thank goodness. The 5th house also rules gambling and speculation, and that neurotic persona he created wouldn’t go over as well if he were a stockbroker.

Corbin Bernsen has his Capricorn North Node in the 10th house, like Judd Hirsch. His breakthrough role was as Arnie, a self-centered, womanizing attorney on “L.A. Law.” His character was always complaining and made constant demands on his secretary (who acted more like his mommy than an employee).

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Do I need to go further?

posted August 16, 2006 02:07 PM            

*sorry, I couldn't help myselfffffff*

posted August 16, 2006 06:56 PM            

Go as far as you want
You're still wrong
And I don't need to read anything
I know what I'm talking about.
I've been an astrologer longer than you've been an adult.

You know part of being a man
is being able to admit that you've made a mistake
its childish to keep insisting you're right .
and don't go blaming your mistakes on other knowflakes
name dropping is not cool

posted August 16, 2006 10:05 PM            

That's just plain lame. I'm not wrong. I name-dropped so that you (hopefully showing some intelligence) would realize that I'm not the only one here nor outside of LL who attributes NN's to contributing to one's experience/personality. After all these years of being an astrologer it's quite remarkable how you're trying to cling to your opinion even while faced with evidence of the contrary. If you think it's childish to not admit mistake, then YOU should apologize. Not me.

Also, I note that you haven't even tried to make a case for your contrary position. It's awful difficult to claim you're right without any proof whatsoever.

Perhaps some words from Linda are in order. Maybe her being a fellow Aries astrologer will influence you to abandon your foolishness.

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A couple of years ago, I visited the bookstore of a New York astrologer. As I carelessly scattered my gems of wisdom, gave him unsolicited advice about what books he should stock, and argued astrological theory with him, I learned he was a Capricorn and he learned I was an Aries. Smugly, I guessed his correct ascendant, talked faster, moved faster and seemed to dominate the scene. Before I left, he gave me a charming, gentle smile, and in a fascinating Hungarian accent, he said a funny thing. He said, "Capricorn will always triumph over Aries. The goat will win over the ram." It was spoken lightly, but he was quite serious. Outside the bookstore, I laughed to myself. "Imagine such conceit," I thought. "No one can top a double Aries." Know what? When I can't find certain books I need that have been out of print since Noah built the ark, the Capricorn comes up with them. Gradually, I've been forced to pay respectful tribute to his superiority. Now here I am crediting his Sun sign with qualities I envy, but don't possess. You see? Capricorn won.

Another confession. As an Aries, I hate to take direction. No Aries writer can stand to have anyone edit his work. Recently, it was suggested that a Capricorn woman go over some material I had written. I was infuriated. Outwardly I agreed, but secretly I decided that she wasn't going to change a single word of the product of my genius. I would only pretend to go along. She made her suggestions quietly, almost timidly, and against my will I saw only too clearly how intelligent they were. Why hadn't I thought of cutting that phrase and changing that word myself? After I had grudgingly followed her instructions to the letter, the improvement in the material was painfully obvious. Capricorn won again.
-Linda Goodman, Sun Signs

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posted August 16, 2006 11:14 PM            

And this is NOT about how Aries and Capricorn get along

This is about my Saturn sitting on your Sun
Booya!

posted August 17, 2006 01:04 AM            

You may want to think it's about your Saturn sitting on my Sun, but your Saturn sitting on my Sun doesn't make you right.

"Saturn has a strong tendency to criticize and judge Sun's actions, sometimes accurately and sometimes unjustly." http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/sun_saturn_aspects.html

"Saturn conjunct or opposite the Sun, Moon, or Venus: A relationship with this factor is going be a long-lasting, rather sober relationship (of course a wild Uranus aspect in the synastry chart can change this!). There is much to be learned from one another, and Saturn is not always the teacher." http://www.throughnightsfire.com/Compatibility.html

Whereas Sun Square Sun:
"A square between the natal Sun in your respective charts denotes a continuing ego conflict. You may tend to interfere in one another's creative self-expression. Resistance and resentment is apt to build up in the relationship if special efforts to be tolerant are not exercised. In marriage, raising children can be a problem with many differing views as to methods. Serious differences in attitudes in many areas." http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastryaspects.html

Sag Rising with Saturn in the 1st may incline one towards feelings of self-importance when they try to teach, but it's not going to be a better teacher than a Cap Sun in the 8th, Gemini Rising, Stellium in Sag, and Saturn in the 1st as the handle of a bucket chart. To teach me you're going to have to impress me with your intellect. You're not doing that.

So... if you'd like to continue (I know you don't) I'd suggest saying something that actually backs up your opinion instead of dreaming up dubious astrological gotchas.

In the meantime here's some words your rash Aries and detail-lacking Sagittarius might have looked up if they were trying to make a case that Cancerian South Node doesn't indicate a certain sensitivity:

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North Node in Capricorn and/or in the Tenth House

With North Node in Capricorn, our South Node is in Cancer. With North Node in the tenth house, our South Node is in the fourth house.

A tendency to be overly attached to our childhood and past, to be dependent on others and avoid accepting responsibility for our lives, to fear rejection to an extreme thereby missing opportunities, and to be overly focused on emotional problems are some of the issues this position suggests. With this position, we need to take charge of our lives and accept responsibility for our actions. We may too easily blame our past or focus on our insecurities and emotional difficulties instead of moving forward and learning to depend on ourselves. We want to feel secure more than anything, but security can only come once we let go of our dependencies and carve out a life that reflects a true feeling of responsibility to ourselves as well as to others. We are more aware of our emotions than most people, but in order to grow, we must learn to strike a balance between sensitivity and responsibility. We cannot use our sensitivity a crutch, although we may spend the first half of our life trying to do so! Recognition will come, at some point in our journey, that clinging to the comforts of childhood will in fact hold us back from achieving a comfortable future! By defining solid goals and a mature direction in our lives, as well as letting go of some of our over-attachment to our childhood, we will be able to achieve the financial and emotional security that we so crave.  http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/northnodeincapricorn.html

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For example, to shed further light onto our South Node tendencies, look to the planet that rules the sign of our South Node, and determine its sign. This sign position will suggest how we tend to act out our South Node tendencies. http://www.cafeastrology.com/nodesofthemoon.html

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We should consider them as waves, in a continuum that comes from our habit patterns (South Node) and moves towards an evolution of qualities we need to be developed (North Node).
The astrologer may overlook the importance of the nodes, but when it comes to see the big picture, the cosmic implications of our lives, the use of the Nodes becomes irreplaceable. The classic interpretation of their influence is that the South Node (referred to as SN) is the karmic luggage that we carry in this life, while the North Node (referred to as NN) is the life path that fulfills us more than anything else. This is a simple interpretation however. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/north-node-karma.php

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The South Node represents gifts to us from past lives. The lessons, skills, talents, and abilities that we struggled so many years to develop and master are still available to us through the South Node.

The North Node is about taking stock of the past, honoring it, working with it, building on it, and learning how to use it in a new way. http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/blurb.php?pn=J352&type=Excerpt

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First, they are the nodes of the moon and the moon is about our past, our emotional heritage, all the habits and programming we carry with us.

Second, the nodes are opposite each other. So they are essentially about learning balance. The south node represents where you are something of an expert. It is the point you are coming from. The north node shows where you have something yet to learn. It is the point you are moving towards. However, in moving towards the north node, you don't want to completely neglect the south node or you will be out of balance again.
Your south node says you are an expert at this. http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/astrology_spiritual_guide/56746#message_1

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You won’t be able to recreate that deep familial bonding and emotional security until you can integrate the lesson of the accomplishment-oriented node in Capricorn that asks you to step out of situations that nurture addictions to work in the harsh world of business and reality. 

This lifetime is about breaking out of emotional attachments to walk the path of the solitary hermit! 
http://www.kellyleephipps.com/tao_of_astrology/nodes/capricorn_node.htm

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The South Node is the symbol of our past. It represents where we are already gifted, comfortable, and attached. Moving out of this place can be the work of a lifetime, because everything in us just wants to stay where we are comfortable. But - the thing is - we are here to grow into uncharted territory of self-exploration.

Unlike when you read a tabloid horoscope, the main reaction of someone who finds out about their Nodes is 'My God, yes. Of course!' One of the benefits of having a proper astrological chart done is that you find out your North and South Nodes, which can be really useful for figuring out what bits of yourself you should downplay and which bits you should pay attention to.

Capricorn North Node people have their South Node in Cancer. They are co-dependent on family and friends, and find it easy to be aware of feelings and have sensitivity towards the situations of themselves and others. They can have a tendency to be waylaid by feeling, either by putting others consistently first, or by failing to achieve their goals by sacrificing practicality for emotions. http://www.mookychick.co.uk/spirit/north_south_nodes.php

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N. Node in Capricorn:

You have a great capacity for sympathy, tenderness, and caring, which is a gift that you are apt to overdo at times. For balance, you need to develop mature self-discipline, self-control, and personal responsibility.

When under stress, you have a strong instinct to retreat back into the nest, to be a child again, or to become overwhelmed with feelings and longings to be taken care of. Also, you may encourage others to depend upon you emotionally (and otherwise) to an unhealthy degree. You need to learn how to set limits and to turn off the flow of support when necessary. http://www.freewebs.com/acousticgod/astrologicalprofile.htm

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posted August 17, 2006 01:27 AM            

The nodes have absolutely NOTHING to do with personality traits, they're not even planets they are ecliptic points that are used to determine Karmic lessons in this lifetime. The sign and house placement of the Nodes show what direction you want to go (North) to evolve and from where (South) you are coming from.

My second post

A Cancer South Node does not take Cancer personality traits

It has Cancer issues
Big difference

Ever think that the reason you identify so strongly with your Capricorn NN is because
You are one?

posted August 17, 2006 02:12 AM            

What would be a Cancerian issue, Lala? Being overly-sensitive? Yeah. The stuff I've posted for you CLEARLY indicates that it does affect how you are. What does your personality indicate? How you are. See how they're the same? Our South Nodes indicate what we know, what we've experienced, and what we're comfortable with. Our South Nodes show some of our innate qualities. Where "we're coming from" is who we are. We're not coming from some place independent from our personalities.

Do I Ever think that the reason I identify so strongly with my Capricorn NN is because
I am one? Not particularly. If I were one of a rare few who identified with his/her North Node that would be something. That's not the case, however. What I've witnessed is that when people learn about their North Node, they identify with it. In that one thread I referrenced Aries-chick clearly identified with her Taurus NN, and she's not a Taurus. CardinalGal and I have discussed our Capricorn NN, and seem to have similar issues with emotions. She's not a Capricorn.

posted August 17, 2006 12:06 PM            

Check out Capricorn NN interps, and see if you don't see them in your sister. I agree that a South Node doesn't take over a personality. It does affect it, though.

BlueEyes,

With your NN in Aries, you will be most spiritually fulfilled by acting more like an Aries. Your comfort zone and what you're intimately familiar with is Libran.

North Node in Aries and/or in the First House

With North Node in Aries, our South Node is in Libra. With North Node in the first house, our South Node is in the seventh house.

posted August 17, 2006 04:38 PM            

I'm happy to debate this further with you if you have an interest in understanding. Otherwise, I'm pretty certain I've made my points.

Would you like to deny that the way a person acts and how a person is corresponds to some degree with their South Node?

posted August 17, 2006 05:03 PM            

This is what I'm going to do with you
I'm going to pay special attention to all of your misinformation posted
and everytime you spew garbage
I'm going to correct you on it,
Copy and paste does not make you an astrologer.

posted August 17, 2006 05:15 PM            

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She doesn't even see her sister's Sun being in the 4th house having any affect on her sister's personality. Dulce's comments seem like a denial of her sister's basic character.

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Excuse me, you don't know my sister so who are you to say that I'm denying her "basic" character? I am telling you as a cancerian that my sister doesn't seem cancerian to me even with her 4th house sun. I'm not saying that all 4th house suns have no cancerian traits, its just that my sister happens to have stronger influences. Just like I have a 7th house sun but I have heavier influences that drown the "Libran" quality out.

2nd of all, if we use your logic of the nodes than that would mean that everyone born around the same 1.5 year span has the same basic nature. So everyone of your peers is essentially Capricornian/Cancerian (Which ever node you were arguing about because you seem to keep switching).Does that make sense to you?