posted August 20, 2006 03:41 PM            

Yes!
and I'd say we had a good lesson on
Personality traits and
Karmic Issues

posted August 20, 2006 04:07 PM            

WTF??? I didn't accuse anybody of being wrong nor did I say that I was right. I was also defending myself because I was being pidgeonholed and being fitted to my south node. I don't like people judging me and assuming crap about me without even knowing me. That's the main gist of it.

You show me when I have stepped over the line. I didn't go telling people that they are incompetent astrologers. I didn't go around telling people that they are wrong and I am right. Where in the hell did I do that? I was defending myself. I even posted stuff about Dyslexia,Dyspraxia which is all true about me to explain that I am very shy,insecure,and humble person. Those things influenced my personality since early chilhood,and so I didn't fit the strongly in regards to leo traits. This guy has the nerve to accuse me of being in denial,and this after I posted the dyslexia,dyspraxia stuff. that made me very angry. This has nothing to do with the leo energy. I even explained to him the intensity,high focus stuff is my strong Scorpio,pluto stuff. That has nothing to do with my leo. I explained that my high degree of communications is my 4 planets in 3rd house that includes Mercury. He wants to pin everything on my Leo South Node.

I haven't pidgeonholed his butt to fit his south node and other placements. I haven't judged him by any of his placements nor his chart. That would be totally unethical for me.

If I am being selfrighteous and having power issues because I am defending myself when people attack me,judges and assumes of things about me without friggen knowing me, Then I am not sorry.

I have the right to defend myself

I believe in Self defense and standing up for myself. I believe that everybody can do that. Not just me.

posted August 20, 2006 05:18 PM            

But let me just get one thing straight. I resent being called incompetent by you, Acoustic God. All I did was disagree with you, I never insulted you the way you've insulted the rest of us. I have proved you wrong with REAL LIFE EXAMPLES a number of times. (Because I don't need to copy and paste an article; its called using your common sense) That, to me, is a valid argument. The end.

posted August 20, 2006 06:57 PM            

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The nodes have absolutely NOTHING to do with personality traits, they're not even planets they are ecliptic points that are used to determine Karmic lessons in this lifetime.

The sign and house placement of the Nodes show what direction you want to go (North) to evolve and from where (South) you are coming from.

My second post
A Cancer South Node does not take Cancer personality traits

It has Cancer issues
Big difference...lalalinda

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acoustic, you seem incapable intellectually of understanding the difference between planets...which exert gravitational pull on us mortals and therefore...according to astrology precepts....impart/influence personality traits AND ecliptic points in space which exert no force of gravity and therefore do not.

Lalalinda has explained this to you over and over and has not only the best of this argument but she is also right.

You on the other hand acoustic, shot your mouth off about the writings of Jan Spiller which you attempted to use to make your point that:

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Cancerian South Node will make you incredibly sensitive as well....acoustic

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However, you were unable to find any support for that statement in Jan Spiller's writings...or you would have posted it here.

You have a bad habit acoustic of bringing my name up in a derogatory way on forums and threads to which I haven't posted. Juvenile and childish gets us started in determining your motives for doing so. From there, we can progress to passive/aggressive tendencies and throw in some malice.

I've pointed out to you in the past that you have some issues with a parent or your parents. I wouldn't be in the least surprised to find out one of your parents..or both are fire signs and probably Aries or Leo. Both signs are big on imparting lessons of responsibility, order, rules and take child rearing responsibilities very seriously...generally.

I think your problem goes further though and you have issues with authority figures in general. I had my first clue when I saw your screen name and self promotion to godhood status. Of course, after reading your first post at GU...the one where you confused a liberal with a conservative...I had to, through good conscience, logic, reason and common sense, demote you to Acoustic god.

As you posted one bit of drivel, nonsense and illogic after another there, I felt compelled to demote you further. First to acoustic god and later to just plain acoustic.

I feel almost certain that somewhere on your person you carry a copy of "Debating for Dummies". Those debating tactics only work when you're debating dummies

As in this case; you make an insupportable claim, then challenge lalalinda to "prove you wrong". As I've explained to you before, it's your claim, your allegation, your position and your responsibility to prove it. In western cultures, in western courts and intellectual circles, we don't ask people to "prove negatives". As I said, that only works when you're debating dummies, a sub-par intellectual class which does NOT include lalalinda.

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You still haven't disproved my point...acoustic

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In as much as lalalinda's Saturn has your Sun covered, it follows that she has some lessons to teach you acoustic. I'm glad to see she has already made a good start by:

1. advising you to apologize...learn some manners
2. grow up, be a man....admit it when you're wrong

lalalinda

posted August 20, 2006 09:41 PM              

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Hey Mr. Potato Head
you owe me an apology

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BBBBWWWWAAAAAAAAA!!! HAAAAA!! HAAAAAAA!!!

posted August 20, 2006 11:02 PM              

AG was trying to objectively explain why he believes what he does, while lala, you immediately went into personal attacks and baitings. You are a moderator?
Once again, AG, showed class and decorum, not allowing himself to be pulled down into a lower level of vile and hurtful personal insults.

There are no doubt millions of astrologers in the world, and many various different interpretations of astrology. There is no astrological Bible, nor does making one an "astrologer" make one an authority figure, which all must follow. I've known lots of astrologers and they don't entirely agree on every aspect of astrological interpretation. Thankfully, there is a freedom in astrology to interpret things as we each individually see them.
Seems you have a well grip of understanding that freedom, Glaucus. Good to see.

Maybe AG, overstepped some boundaries with you Glaucus, by making some assumptions about you, so I can understand where you are coming from in being a bit offended. I'm sensitive about that (Sag--oh yeah), so I understand, putting myself in your place.
But reading through this, he also tried to be respectful and kind to you, which seems as if might have been overlooked?
A man's intention, to me, speaks so many more volumnes than a novel of words could. Thinking back objectively...could you say that it was his intention to offend or insult you?

On the other hand,it seems, lala, that it was your conscious intention to insult and offend AG. There is a major difference, that should make All the difference.
I don't go to GU as often as some do, but could past desputes from there be clouding your present reaction to AG here and now?

jwhop,I don't have much to say to you. Because I haven't found you to be a good listener to anyone who doesn't tow your line.

Ok... out?
It would be nice to see a healthy debate around here for a change.
You know....people of vast different experience and background and feelings and thoughts, coming together, sharing, learning and growing?

posted August 20, 2006 11:42 PM            

That's all I am going to say.

I never told him that he was wrong and that I was right. He was pretty much doing that and trying to make me fit stuff and accuse me of being in denial. Things like that makes me angry.

Yeah..I know that he didn't mean to insult me,but he ****** me off with his judgments,assumptions about me.

Like I said before, that's the perfect way to make an enemy of me.

That's all I have to say. I am now done with this thread. I am afraid that I am going to get more ****** the more he says stuff.

posted August 21, 2006 02:20 AM            

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Once again, AG, showed class and decorum, not allowing himself to be pulled down into a lower level of vile and hurtful personal insults....Lialei

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Really Lialei?

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Cancerian South Node will make you incredibly sensitive as well....acoustic

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One "astrologer," can't seem to figure it out, and the other is in denial about it...acoustic

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You are a Moderator, and strangely the leader of the Free Astrology Course...acoustic

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If I wanted to have a nonsensical conversation I'd go find Jwhop.....acoustic

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You've got the idea exactly. If someone disagrees with me, and can't bring a single compelling argument to the table to refute what I've said, then, yes, they obviously lack reasoning skills, and since this deals with astrology and they claim themselves astrologers it shows that they are basically incompetent. Do you think that if the astrologers who've studied North Nodes..... ...acoustic

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You mean this kind of class and decorum, not allowing himself to be pulled down into a lower level of vile and hurtful personal insults Lialei?

acoustic certainly has his support group and he sure needs all the outside help he can get.

posted August 21, 2006 03:15 AM            

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However, you were unable to find any support for that statement in Jan Spiller's writings...or you would have posted it here.

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If you had read the thread Jwhop, you'd have seen that I did include Jan Spiller's writings, a whole lot of them. Not only so but I bumped a thread Zala made quite awhile where she had written out a lot of the stuff for Capricorn NN (by Jan Spiller).
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posted August 21, 2006 04:23 AM            

My main problem with acoustic is
he comes across as a pompous know-it-all. even to the point where he argues with others about how they are, even after they tell him he is wrong as with Glaucus and Dulce.
His excuse is that they are in denial.
Is that right?
Is it right to delineate a chart based on the south Node alone? No
If you're serious about astrology, then you're serious about ethics.
He doesn't even acknowledge them.

Its a manipulation of words.
When I see students trying to learn and he comes off with misinformation and presents it as "truths" well I simmer, then boil.
Sarcastic?
Obnoxious?
Guilty!
but you have to really offend me first (constantly with him)
and NEVER EVER would I do that to someone who is trying to learn. (my other soft spot)
I have a genuine love and respect for astrology.
He is exploiting it in the worst way.

To these students I want open their eyes and get them as excited about astrology as I am. I love teaching. And I love it when they "get it"

I've been an astrologer for 25 years and I'm still learning, every day, an odd bit of information, a new way of looking at a chart, an astrological epiphany. Sure I learned the basics years ago but with time comes priceless experience, and you only quit learning when you die.
Unless you already know it all.

You're a Sag Sun?
Well I'm a Sag Asc
and you know what happens to us when we feel there has been a distortion of the truth, keyword here being truth.
Thats where I'm coming from with acoustic

Lialei were you a member of Kindred Spirits?

I'm mindful of my responsibilities as a Moderator and I CAN NOT in all good conscience overlook a lie, misinformation, or a manipulation.

And you guys are wrong about Jwhop
I wouldn't want to get into a political argument with him
But if you respect the man
the man will respect you.
And I'm so glad he is my friend

Jwhop

posted August 21, 2006 01:31 PM            

My family is mostly Fire Suns.

posted August 21, 2006 01:54 PM            

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His excuse is that they are in denial

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posted August 21, 2006 11:17 PM              

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I never told him that he was wrong and that I was right.

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True and noted, Glaucus.
Well, won't say I can't understand where you're coming from. If I were in your shoes I'd probably be pis*sed too. If I didn't already know AG and that he is a non-judgemental person, and so could give him the benefit of the doubt. But anyway...can understand and thanks as well for trying to understand there was no harmful intent.

Lalalinda,
thank you for clarifying how things are seen from your eyes. It didn't seem to me that he was delianating the entire chart just from the SNode... only trying to impress what influence it can have. But I'm not going to speak for AG. I know he prefers to speak for himself. I'm much the same way and so feel strange presuming to write someone else's thoughts.

Yes, I was a kindred during the KS drama in GU, although I don't know what that has to do with this thread. (and you're giving me horrible flashbacks ) But if just for curiousity, yes that was me. I've never felt any reason to hide. I value straight-up honesty, so if there is a reason for asking, fire away.

I don't know why I'm here, to tell you the truth. Just this crazy thing where I feel compelled to defend anyone whom I care for. You think I would learn better.

Have to disagree with you, Lala, that AG is a 'pompous know-it-all'. I guess he can be determined and stubborn at times, but I've always found him to be a humble person.

but thank you for the kind post,
it was a nice suprise.

Lia

posted August 21, 2006 11:31 PM            

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Capricorn North Node people are very emotional. They cry at movies and at sad stories; their feelings are very present and available to them. These folks can be so overrun by their emotions that they can't think, they can't function, and they don't know why. This can happen when they are faced with personal loss or in professional situations involving confrontation or performance; they can't seem to control it—it simply escalates.

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By her definition it most certainly is the subject. If you disagree, that's fine. We can agree to disagree. I am going to stick with what Jan Spiller said myself, because I think her conclusions are backed up by other astrologers.

posted August 22, 2006 01:03 AM            

"If there is a lie or misinformation it is not my creation, but rather it is from the ones who wrote the information

posted August 22, 2006 01:47 AM            

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Quoting Jan Spiller again:
Capricorn North Node people are very emotional. They cry at movies and at sad stories; their feelings are very present and available to them. These folks can be so overrun by their emotions that they can't think, they can't function, and they don't know why. This can happen when they are faced with personal loss or in professional situations involving confrontation or performance; they can't seem to control it—it simply escalates....acoustic

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The nodes have absolutely NOTHING to do with personality traits...lalalinda

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acoustic, your quote from Jan Spiller only reinforces lalalinda's position...not yours.

Notice what Jan Spiller is saying...those emotions/crying coming off Capricorn NN are situational and oriented to Capricorn issues..not personality traits.

Issues of loss, threats of loss through poor performance or perceived poor performance, lack of achievement or criticism which questions performance/achievement and might tend to threaten one's professional standing or position.

Capricorn issues relating to loss or potential loss.

posted August 22, 2006 02:05 AM            

It's Cancer where my "issues" would be since my North Node is Capricorn.

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To a large extent, these folks operate from their emotions, and this equals "how to lose" for them in this lifetime. Their unique challenge is to take charge of their emotions rather than being victimized by them, and to allow others to take responsibility for their own feelings, and to grow and mature as a result.

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Once again, I'll refer you to the thread that Zala wrote straight from Jan Spiller's book if you'd like to understand further Jan Spiller's viewpoint. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007999.html

She clearly assigns traits to the South Node, as the South Node is what we're already over-experienced in. Here's Jan's take on the South Node:

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The South Node position in a chart (located at the point exactly opposite of the North Node) depicts an aspect in our character that has been overemphasized in past lives, and thus tends to take over the personality in this lifetime and throw us off balance.

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Lala,

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the last post in this thread is going to be from you huh?

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posted August 22, 2006 03:29 AM            

quote from acoustic
"It's Cancer where my "issues" would be since my North Node is Capricorn."

you get issues from both nodes

North Node has issues/lessons you need to attain in order to evolve
South Node has pastlife issues you want to get rid of

quote from Jwhop

"Capricorn issues relating to loss or potential loss.

In other words acoustic that emotionalism is focused in one sphere...involving professional/security/loss issues and is not a general personality trait or theme running through the entire range of the Capricorn experience. Saturn, 10th House issues."

posted August 22, 2006 12:44 PM            

statement from me
an accusation does not end with a question mark

quote from me
"why do you have to have Jan Spiller think for you?"