posted August 17, 2006 07:47 PM            

Of course I don't know your sister. I do, however, know that the house that the Sun resides in has an effect on the person. Regardless if whether you, as a Cancer, see her as being Cancerian or not, she's going to have that inborn influence anyway. It won't dominate the way your Cancerian influence does, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

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2nd of all, if we use your logic of the nodes than that would mean that everyone born around the same 1.5 year span has the same basic nature. So everyone of your peers is essentially Capricornian/Cancerian (Which ever node you were arguing about because you seem to keep switching).Does that make sense to you?

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Well, I'm certain we can agree that with astrology all the influences combine to create the person, right? People with common planets, placements, aspects, or Nodes are going to have some characteristics in common. That's what astrology is all about. If there were no commonality in experience between people of the same Node, then they'd probably leave Nodes off the chart altogether. The reason we have Nodes on virtually all astrological charts is because they have universal meanings like any other astrological placement.

If you're confused about why it seems I'm arguing about Capricorn and Cancerian Nodes, it's because North and South Nodes are always in opposition (Capricorn NN = Cancerian SN). My original comment was simply that Cancerian South Node (which you can only find along side Capricorn North Node in interpretations) is an overly-sensitive placement. Everything I've read supports this idea (though none emphasize is as greatly as Jan Spiller), and nothing I've seen claims that Capricorn NN's are unemotional. That doesn't mean that we necessarily come across as overly emotional, but neither do Cancers.

What it means according to Jan Spiller is that we're addicted to emotions, and often get trapped in negative emotions like fear, anger, guilt and insecurity. We want to be there for our family, but at the same time we may resent our families quite a bit for perceived slights (like keeping us down - even though it's not the family, but the Cap NN person themselves). She suggested that for coping with the extreme emotions that we manage them. We have to create goals about the outcomes we'd like to see, and pursue things from that unemotional standpoint. I relate this particularly to feeling slighted at work. I can't seem to deal with it face to face if I'm really mad, because I'll show way more emotion than is warranted. I also have difficulty containing my emotions when someone does something super special for me. It's tough for me to say thank you without tearing up. I've always been envious of people who can handle their emotions better. However, our inborn empathy actually helps us when we start working on being more Capricornian, because we can intuit how people work best and play to people's strengths when rallying them to accomplish something.

posted August 17, 2006 08:21 PM            

more simply

posted August 17, 2006 09:54 PM            

"Cancerian South Node will make you incredibly sensitive as well."

posted August 18, 2006 02:46 AM            

"You know part of being a man
is being able to admit that you've made a mistake"

posted August 18, 2006 07:53 AM              

South Node in Cancer - The soul with this Node must control excessive emotionality and possessiveness carried forward from other lives. This is a highly sensitive placement and the soul may carry self-pity for experiances in the past.

This is just a part of what she says on the Cancer South Node but she clearly states in black and white excessive emotionality. On an Astrology course the Astrologer includes the South Node as an element when counting up the elements in a persons chart, why would she do this. It is because the South Node is strongly developed.

I am not going to scribble out the words excessive emotionality in my book written by a qualified Astrologer on Karmic Astrology because linda says this is wrong and the South Node in Cancer has nothing to do with Emotions.

posted August 18, 2006 11:34 AM            

And my sun actually sits right on her south node with Asc conjuncting her northnode. I see south connections alot in my family. My parents sun-moon conjunction sits on mine.

My explanation was pretty simple and I'm not gonna change it. Ok, so that astrologer says excessive emotionality. I'm saying that you identify your nodes "personality-wise" because you have a planet in the same sign as that nodal axis. Anyhow, that's a very broad interpretation for people born within the same 1.5 year span. Are you saying all your peers are overly sensitive? I know that not all my peers are exacting on details. What I've been saying is simple, the nodes do not describe personality traits but they do describe "situations/themes" (for lack of a better word) . All I know that In my sister's case its family life vs. Public life. (Cancer/Capricorn theme).

posted August 18, 2006 11:39 AM              

All I can say is that if you look at the interpretations for this placement, it pretty much sums up my entire chart. I am constantly struggling with the idea of making my OWN choices, and dealing with the consequences. I am so easy-going sometimes, that I let other people lead my life.

My mother is a strong Aries and I think we balance each other out. She is here to teach me about being assertive and looking out for myself, while I am here to teach her how to cooperate with others.

So I'm going to say that the NN & SN have a huge impact on a person's main struggles and what they are truly here to learn in this life on Earth.

Also, I would like to point out that I think a Moderator of a forum should not act in such a way as to put down another user, especially as an attack rather than a solid argument. No offence, I just think it's childish.

posted August 18, 2006 12:14 PM            

It's not going to happen. Ever. I haven't done anything to you that could ever be construed as requiring an apology. Frankly, I think you're rude and unjustifiably arrogant in asking.

I'm glad to see that more people have weighed in on this. Ironic that 'Miss Saturn' is one of them considering your attempt at proving a superior position by stating that your Saturn sits on my Sun.

When any astrologer goes into depth on the Nodes, what I've said comes out in the Cap NN/Cancer SN interpretation. I still haven't seen anyone try to dispute it by posting a contradictory interpretation. I think there's a reason for that, and the reason is that when you look into it you find that there isn't a contradictory description.

posted August 18, 2006 12:51 PM            

Other than that, I tended to be very humble,modest,insecure,private,and introverted. My Virgo Ascendant and my Moon in Pisces,Saturn,Neptune t-square has a strong dominant influence. Of course, My Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio does too.

posted August 18, 2006 03:38 PM            

For you to tell these students that
makes you a false profit.

this is misinformation
you should be ashamed of yourself

You have no true love for astrology
you have no idea what respect for it entails
as long as you go spewing misinformation
you'll never be able to delineate (without copy and pasting)

I still want to see where Jan Spiller says

posted August 18, 2006 04:50 PM            

It's not misinformation, and you calling it such just brings your own credibility as an astrologer into question. I'm sorry you don't see the truth of the situation.

You want quotes from Jan Spiller?

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Additionally, Capricorn North Node people have finely honed instincts for empathy. They are always aware of the feelings of others, and when they use this ability in a management situation their sensitivity encourages people to assist them with goodwill and enthusiasm. However, if they involve themselves in professions that stress nurturing as the end result, they often become enmeshed in feelings of helplessness, unable to get "on top" of the situation. They are better off in goal-oriented professions or positions that enable them to use their sensitivity to lovingly organize others to work toward a specific goal.

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When things don't go as they want, they overreact emotionally, subconsciously hoping that others will see how upset they are and change their behavior.

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They must discard all tendencies to manipulate people through emotional outbursts, and instead approach others from a position of authority—with quiet self-respect that is removed from emotional reactions.

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These folks have difficult family karma. Too often, they are born into a situation where immediate family members have many emotional problems, and the Capricorn North Nodes spend a lot of time being sensitive and empathetic.

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The first job for these folks is to decide to distance themselves from total emotional involvement with their family.

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These folks are extremely sensitive to their own emotions and those of others.

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Capricorn North Node people are also very tuned in to the realm of emotional connectedness and understand how people's feelings can affect others. This is both an asset and a detriment. On the plus side, it enables them to negotiate life more smoothly. The liability is that they sometimes feel for other people more than others are feeling for themselves—and this can be debilitating.

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These folks take personal responsibility for other people's moods; they want to make the other person happy so that they can feel better! They can’t separate themselves from the generalized mood of people in their immediate environment. And the other people may resent not being allowed to express their true feelings because it upsets the Capricorn North Node person.

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These natives live in avoidance of anything that might stir up emotions—in themselves or in others.

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To a large extent, these folks operate from their emotions, and this equals "how to lose" for them in this lifetime. Their unique challenge is to take charge of their emotions rather than being victimized by them, and to allow others to take responsibility for their own feelings, and to grow and mature as a result.

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Capricorn North Node people are very emotional. They cry at movies and at sad stories; their feelings are very present and available to them. These folks can be so overrun by their emotions that they can't think, they can't function, and they don't know why. This can happen when they are faced with personal loss or in professional situations involving confrontation or performance; they can't seem to control it—it simply escalates.

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Thus, when emotions start to overwhelm them, they need to deliberately breathe, relax, and expand beyond the emotions. They can visualize themselves becoming bigger than the emotions and regaining their serenity.

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posted August 18, 2006 04:50 PM              

Where is the back up for your arguement. I and a few others would like to see some evivdence.

So come on show us a written explanation of some sort, Can you not even find a link on information on the South Node Cancer. Which backs your arguement up.

For everyone who is reading this we are all entitled to our own opinion. But just google a search for South Node Cancer, I have just done one myself to be fair to both sides of the debate. Here is a qoute from Cafe Astrology on South Node Cancer - we must learn to strike a balance between sensitivity and responsibility. We cannot use our sensitivity as a crutch although we may spend the first half of our lives doing so.

I am not making this up check it out for yourselves everyone.

posted August 18, 2006 06:44 PM              

I have yet to see anyone bring a solid argument/evidence against this claim either.

Without personal attack, that is.

posted August 19, 2006 03:31 AM              

I can't dismiss AG's claim because I have my NN directly opposite saturn and the writing seems to apply (then again there's also plenty of neptune/12th house/pisces in my chart so that plays a big role).

What does over-sensitivity mean here? Is it being unable to detach oneself from information coming in from the environment in terms of feelings? Is it being excessively tuned in intellectually? Or is it an intense interest in what happens in society around us. It seems like there's examples of all three being posted.

posted August 19, 2006 04:43 AM            

Are you ever going to present an argument?

posted August 19, 2006 05:00 AM            

my mother has south Node in Cancer too...yeah..she's overly sensitive....it's not the south Node in Cancer

She has Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio. Too much water in her chart indicates her being overly sensitive. She also Sun in 12th trine Neptune which is a Sun-Neptune double whammy...that also indicates an overly sensitive person.

I take after her, I am overly sensitive with my Sun trine Moon,Mercury in Scorpio parallel Neptune,and Venus in Scorpio parallel Neptune,and Moon in Pisces square Neptune.