posted June 03, 2004 10:29 PM         

I think it is awesome when someone, male OR female, finds someone that they connect with on a soulful level for the rest of their lives.

I would find it very, very boring to only go so far in my relationships with people, find I get too bored, and then move on to my next catch.

I would feel like I was NEVER truly breaking into the DEPTHS of what I could achieve within the realm of partnership with someone if I kept doing that, and not ever reaching that level of depth that way is NOT for me, because I am a DEEP person, and I do believe that I am NOT made to 'love someone only for so long' but that I am made to love someone forever instead.

If that's what someone means by finding 'the one' then so be it, I guess.

For me, the real, true joy of love does not even BEGIN until there is a commitment between the two of us.

That is when I know that we have reached the gateway which will lead to further and further realms and dimensions of intimate discovery that we can find with each other, and the possibility of learning about all of those places together is just SO exciting to me, I have to say.

I can't find as much point or meaning in finding love with one person, going to a certain level with them, and then discarding them and moving on to the next person and then reaching the same level with them, and then leaving them, and then moving on to the next person again etc....over and over again.

You most certainly do gain a breadth of loving experiences with people by living that way, but I am not sure how you ever really, really do reach the depths of emotional bonds with any of them which I feel could really only possibly come with dedication to one person over time though.

I guess that someone could look back over their life lived that way and string those multiple experiences with their lovers together and find the meaningful depth of them within the adding together of all of their collective experiences to each other.

But to me, I don't know, I guess that I would seem to much rather just find that depth within 'the one for me' instead.

And I know that I, of all people, truly am made to love that way if anyone ever was.

Once someone has my love, I think that they will probably have it in the very same way forever.

However, I have absolutely no intention of ever being a mere appendage to anyone in my life, whether that person be either male OR female though.

I am always on a constant search for understanding the truths about myself, and on a constant search as to how to express my own unique self within this big wide world we all live in, and I don't see any real reason why those searches should cease to exist simply because I am in a longstanding relationship at all.

I can't honestly see where one would possibly preclude the other one from happening or manage to cancel the other one out at all, but we'll see.

I haven't found 'the one' at all myself yet anyway, lol.

Playful

posted June 03, 2004 11:40 PM         

Hehe, mine liked to jump up on my chest and purr in my face when they wanted attention, or get between me and the book I was reading or the TV I was watching or curl up on my pillow and purr when I was sleeping. Nothing like a cat purring to put you to sleep.

Interesting you think I'm sparky and like to disagree. Actually, I'm just about what you could expect from someone who is close to being prototypical with their personal planets being right at home in their signs, except for Moon in Leo, which only reinforces my Leo Sun.

I'm probably more of a people person than you might believe sthenri. All my Leo, Sun, Moon and Pluto in addition to Mercury in Virgo are on my Midheaven and I've spent most of my life dealing directly with people---sometimes successfully

Now you've confused me with your Scorpio 12th house Asc? I have a lot of respect for Scorpios and we generally see things pretty much the same way. We may differ as to the degree we are willing to take things to and who's in control?

Hmmm, I have a little trouble with the concept of a Taurus, Scorpio rising being a pushover--no matter what their Neptune is doing.

posted June 04, 2004 12:42 AM         

Yep, I really am a Scorp rising. Not that I'm suspicious or cynical but I do investigate One of those inquiring minds. Well, maybe a little cynical

Hamilton, Ontario eh? I could have asked you directly and you would have told me or told me it was none of my business but the exercise was worth the time invested to sharpen the skills---if for no other reason.

We share some of the same aspects---planets and signs being different but enough to believe we may be peas from the same pod, a strangely shaped pod astrologically speaking

BTW, have you read the commentary from Linda Goodman's "Relationship Signs" for Leo and Scorp rising? It's interesting!

posted June 04, 2004 01:37 AM         

I am female, but just wanted to put my two cents in.
Like attracts like. I believe we are all vibrating at certain levels and we can attract people into our lives that are on our levels if we wish. Sometimes we think we really want something but deep down we know we are not ready. When the time is right things will happen.
Sometimes the more we want something the more we are pushing it away. Be still and know that all that is meant to be will be.

posted June 04, 2004 01:42 AM         

True, everyone IS an individual, and I wasn't trying to imply that a lifetime of changing relationships once that individual reaches as far down deep as they personally seek to go with each partner they have was somehow some less than admirable way to live at all.

As I stated, some people seek the breadth ( in this case meaning a larger number ) of some of what we might call deeper and possibly some of what we might maybe even call some somewhat 'non-deeper' relationships in their lifetime as well.

Obviously, 'deep' and 'non-deep' are all being up to each individual to define for themselves according to their own barometer of definition for those terms in their own lives etc....although....

from what you are describing yourself up above at least, neither one of the definitions of those relationships seem to last into lasting permanency for the individual at all, which is all fine and all good if that's the life that they want to have this time around....

but some others like myself seek the depth ( in this case meaning the number of one ) of a longer lasting, permanent relationship instead, and....

neither one, the breadth or the depth, is either right or wrong for anyone to seek and find at all.

The two things are merely just different.

I understand what you are saying in your own perspective about reaching the 'depths faster than others' and / or 'not taking as long to reach the depths' but....

personally, I do believe that when someone has found a love that is meant to last a lifetime the way that I personally want to find love to be for me in this lifetime, that....

there is really NO SUCH THING as being able to go TOO FAR DEEP with that one particular person at all.

To me, there isn't any such animal as 'reaching the depths too fast' etc.... with him because when it is a love like the one that I am talking about....

there are ALWAYS even deeper levels to travel to with each other anyway.

As for having to come up for air once you begin to reach those deeper levels with him, to me that just signals that the person involved might just possibly not have enough ability to know how to find their OWN FREEDOM within their PARTNERSHIP with their lover all at the SAME TIME.

They might not be able to manage to have dependence ( relationship ) with independence ( freedom ) yet.

If such a deep level of commitment and close intimacy is making them feel THAT stifled and trapped, then it sounds to me like they MIGHT need to learn how to FIND FEELINGS OF INNER FREEDOM in their lives in order to balance out their feelings of commitment to their relationship.

But of course, as you said, not everyone wants to find such a relationship with seemingly unending depths like the one I seek for myself, and they really do only seek to only go in so deeply with any one single person, and then they prefer to move on to their next relationship after that over and over again, which of course, is perfectly fine if that life is what brings them true happiness anyway.

As for how I think that I, ME, Playful, will personally know when I have found 'the one' that I seek....

I do believe that I know that already as well too.

First of all, THAT meeting will only occur for me after I have first established a very, very, very, lol, strong FOUNDATION beneath my OWN feet to begin with.

I feel that it is impossible for me to find a love that lasts a lifetime unless I first achieve GROUNDING and FOCUS within my own life beforehand, otherwise....

how on Earth will I know ALL of the things which I want from that person or from that relationship at all in the first place?

and also, how will I be able to contribute the depth of commitment which I need to contribute to it for it to be able to reach it's growth potential until I am able to first summon and then correlate all of my personal focus from within myself which it will need from me in order to keep blooming year after year as well?

So, I don't believe that I will find this relationship until I FIND ME FIRST.

Now true, 'finding myself' takes a veritable lifetime, and even then, no, that work is still not done, since I know that there is certainly 'another side' of existence out there, where we all still keep going on and learning on and growing on etc.... but....

I do still believe that it IS POSSIBLE, IF I WANT TO DO SO, which NOT everybody else does want to do anyway, I know....

but if I am really, really called to do so in my lifetime, I do believe that it is possible for me to at least reach a certain sort of what I would call a plateau of self-knowledge and self-growth and self-maturity in this Earthly lifetime....

the reaching of which then enables me to be able to recognize it when another human being of 'like vibrations' such as the person I am talking about enters my life to go on this spiritual journey into these places with me.

That initial process of discovery and integration to build my own foundation is one which is still going on and happening for me right now as we post, hence no romantic relationships for me on my horizon right now.

Right now, is ALL ME TIME....

So that when the time is right, I WILL be able to have enough self-knowledge and self-preparation to be able to know and recognize that man when he appears in my life.

I need to answer those definitive questions of....

What do I want....

from myself and from him, so that we are able to truly succssfully take on this spiritual exploration with one another.

As I have really said before, I do believe that when I am able to express a certain integrated expression of myself into this world, that that person who is able to satisfy me on ALL of my required levels will come into my life since I do truly believe in the energetic law of 'like attracts like.'

Do you know what I mean?

In short, it's at least BEGIN TO FIND MYSELF, and then....

FIND HIM after that is done.

I already have an extremely good idea of the kind of man whom I want to have in my life, all of the details of which I most certainly won't bore you with, lol.

But anyways, for me, the point of this relationship is going to be to have someone with me who is my compliment in oh so many similiar ways, so that we are capable of understanding one another well enough to be an effective 'healing team' WITH one another to heal our 'wounds' together....

while still having enough interesting and compelling differences FROM one another to be able to have enough 'space or distance' apart from each other to retain our unique boundaries from one another as well.

Therefore, I feel that we will really have the best of both possible worlds with each other....

the mix and marriage to be found within the balance of this relationship with one another and our individual selves all at the same time.

I don't personally see a reason why this relationship wouldn't work out for me if I find it when both ME AND MY PARTNER are ready to find it with each other.

It becomes a beautiful cycle of at first the energy of our two individual selves contributing to the energy of our relationship together ....

with those contributions allowing our relationship to bloom....

the blooming of which then allows the energy of our individual selves to grow even more as a result of integrating our satisfying relationship into our lives....

which then allows us to put even more from the source of our newer, bigger individual selves into our relationship....

the energy of which begets even more individual development for us as two different people....

leading to the energy of which begetting even more relationship development for us as a couple....

and on and on and on and so forth while we move further and further into all of those deeper levels with each other, BOTH as individual people, AND as a couple together.

See what I mean here?

As I said, not everybody necessarily even wants to be deeply grounded enough within their life to go into these sorts of lifelong depths with someone in this lifetime, simply because that is just not what they are being called to do in this lifetime at all.

It just doesn't seem to be their way and method of learning in relationships this time around, I guess.

But, I honestly, really, really do feel that it just seems to be a deep spiritual calling of mine to live this sort of relationship out for myself in this lifetime though.

And, because of my calling towards it, I am pretty sure that I will actually be able to find someone with like vibrations and like purpose to achieve it with me when the time comes for us to meet and begin to do so.

If anybody else out there wants any different things, that is all good and all fine too.

They are called to learn by breadth by the way that I am personally defining it for this post right now, and that's really just great if that's what they indeed really do want to do.

But I myself, happen to seek the depths, and more depths, and more depths....

from just one person.

Ahhh, how sweet is that, I personally say, lol.

Love,
Playful

posted June 04, 2004 02:25 AM         

You have such high ideals. You are such a romantic. I truly hope, truly, for you, that you find what you seek, both in yourself and in your eventual mate. I hope after years of trying and challenging the depths, you find more and more depths and the breadth of your connection goes beyond even, anything you could incarnate or summon.
I hope your idealism combined with spiritual and evolutional practicality translates as well in the world as it does in your essay.
It sounds beautiful.

My grandparents have loved for over sixty years. I love that. My Aunts and Uncles have loved for over thirty... I love that too.

I believe in a thing called love

We'll see where in the spectrum of loving deeply and forever I fall... or land.....

posted June 04, 2004 09:14 AM         

Leo is about hope, I'm very partial to Leo risings.

Jwhop, I think you know your mind and do not bend easily, your mind is a steel trap. Your Saturn in Taurus and Leo Moon do not make you easily led. I can be won over with a bottle of wine. (Neptune rules wine and illusions).

posted June 04, 2004 02:32 PM         

I know it's difficult to say right now because you in are in the middle of moving, and dealing with lots of details, but sometimes I find you doing something I do too. Thinking too much. And how will you ever slow down with that all-thinking Gemini?

Make sure he's not your subconscious way of averting yourself from your subtle inner voice.

Playful -

posted June 04, 2004 06:04 PM         

I know it is very rare in this day and age but....

So am I a very rare woman as well.

Someday I may or may not write a book about the really extraordinary things that I've been through in my life.

I am just not sure about doing something like that right now.

But, I have come through some incredible things that if you found out about them, might truly possibly leave you speechless, I have no idea.

And so, I have also learned some incredible things from some deeply complicated and unique methods of discovery, things which do concern what I am capable of achieving if I so choose to do so, and I know that this is what I truly want in my life, and I am willing to work very hard in order to make it happen for myself.

As someone in the counseling profession said to me about married couples recently....

"So many couples out there don't want to come to resolution."

Meaning that they simply don't actually want to work too hard at achieving a lifetime commitment these days.

Will there be someone out there who desires the same sort of thing as what I want too?

Like one of the other posters in this thread mentions as well....

people of certain vibrations can usually meet other people of like vibrations when the time is right for it to happen.

And right now, I guess I just have to believe that such will be the case for me as well, because right now, I really can't imagine having anything else except the kind of lasting love which I am talking about here.

That doesn't mean that I am not still deeply concerned with my own personal individual development at all.

As I said, that is so, so important to me, and I want a relationship with someone that works in total balance with my own individual developmental goals.

But as for this idea about 'evolution'....

well, that's the thing, you would have to know what's happened to me in my own life to really understand why I have already plumbed LOTS of DEPTHS within myself in my life already, at least enough of them for me to know what I need in a lifetime partner.

Now, will those desires change or 'evolve' for me in time?

Anything is possible, but I have gone so far deeply within in order to survive what I had to survive by now that I find it hard to believe that I would change SO much in the future that a new romantic partner would be needed in order for me to finish my evolution at all.

Like I said, I think that when you express a grounded AND integrated enough presentation of yourself into the world, that energetically you will be able to attract a partner who is equally grounded and able to satisfy you on all of those levels that you 'let out' in the first place.

What I would be REALLY curious about knowing is this....

I am acquainted with energy healers, and I am going to ask them what they believe the average length of people's GROUNDING CORDS exactly is out there anyway.

For some reason, lol, people seem to have very little ability to remain in one place for very long sometimes, and for some reason, I am getting the strong impression that it might possibly have to do with the shorter length and smaller diameter of their energetic grounding cords which reach into the Earth.

Everyone's cord is optimally meant to extend to the center of our planet, and I THINK that it is also meant to be about 12 inches around in diameter too, but....

I think I recall being told in passing that most people's cords don't really actually extend that far though, and that you really do have to work on their development in order to get them to grow to that diameter too.

I will bring those questions up again when I speak to my healer acquaintances sometime.

Playful

posted June 04, 2004 06:34 PM         

We are all energy, aren't we.
In order to reach and fulfill that sharing energy potential, we must first meet and share with several people.. best case schenario, right?
Just because you meet and possibly marry one person doesn't make it the only relationship, or necessarily the right one, the one you talk of so magiucally, the one you would evolve towards, and grow together instead of apart.
Of course, if this person comes along, we would work at it. This mystical idal is what all the love songs mean, what motivates most to turn down paths in their lives.
I don't think myself to be a shallow person.. If I find someone who I KNOW on every level, to be exactly what I am searching for..an answer to the like vibrations I send out, would I really take it for granted?
Heck no. I would embrace and delve and grow and maybe my soul would feel absolute peace.
Sometimes you think you've found it. But it changes.. and I think to decide to change with it, or to let the dynamic go is a personal choice, and maybe if it truly felt right, at every level, to remain true to yourself, one would work towards that ideal.

posted June 04, 2004 06:55 PM         

jwhop, my Neptune is in the 12th in Scorpio, but I do know a Neptune/5th house and I am similar. My Venus and Saturn are 5th house,

As for the wine, it just affects me strongly, I do not do anything unusual but I do say things I wouldn't say without the wine, which can cause certain reactions in others. Then I feel I have promised too much, I have been guilty of being a tease that way. You are right I am not sorry but I am a little too verbal that way;>

posted June 04, 2004 08:13 PM         

Lol, uh oh, nope about those cords.

While woman's energy tends to indeed 'flow against the stream' by flowing upward in reverse sometimes.... and men's doesn't for some reason....

for optimum functioning within our physical world, that energy is actually meant to usually flow in a DOWNWARD direction instead.

Actually, yes, it is correct that we have a MAJOR 7th chakra cord that reaches DOWN FROM the spirit world and provides us with so much energy for our system at all times, but, oh my gosh....

YES, WE INDEED HAVE A GROUNDING CORD AS WELL TOO.

That energy from the spirit world travels in from the cosmos and is then fed into AND through all of our major AND minor chakras, of which there are 7 MAJOR chakras in total.

Chakras 6-2 each have a front opening and a back opening to them, and it is OPTIMUM if each person's chakras function as open chakras ( although they shouldn't really be too, too open, of course, as balance is the key to everything ) and if they also function in balance by way of the amount of energy which flows from one side of the chakra to the other side too, etc....

Anyways, the top 7th chakra does only have ONE opening, and that opening is pointing in the direction of AND flowing into that cord you mention that reaches into our systems from the cosmos.

And then of course, you guessed it by now, that bottom 1st chakra's opening is facing the direction of AND flowing INTO THAT GROUNDING CORD.

And the fact is, is that it really is best for every person to become as energetically rooted and grounded into the Earth as they can possibly become anyway, ( through grounding meditations and yoga and physical exercise etc.... ) in order for them to have the fullest experience of THEIR OWN individual life, WHATEVER that life entails, or else many of THEIR creations, WHATEVER those creations might be for that person, might just probably get very 'stuck in transit' in between the inspiration those creations are born from which originates within that 7th chakra cosmic cord, ( spirit world ) and their manifestation 'here on Earth'....

the manifestation of which can only fully occur for them when that person with the creation is GROUNDED enough within our planet to make them manifest to their fullest potential.

I am really sorry if I talk about some of these energetic formations in terms of factual ways, but to me, yes, I do know some of these formations to be facts because of my very direct experiences with a lot of them....

much the same way that a surgeon who has had direct experience with observing a human heart during a procedure knows exactly what that heart looks like, while most people simply only know that the heart is there and beating, but haven't exactly seen what the inner dynamics of it's functioning is like yet though.

There are many different forms of reference for chakras and their functions by many different study methodologies, but all of the studies do usually agree on certain points about BOTH the number of chakras AND the kinds of CORDS we have within our system and about how they ALL function WITH each other too.

Barbara Brennan is one of the greatest energy healers on this planet, ( I have only shared one phone conversation with her ), and when she writes her books, she does have to write them from the perspective of a person who has had very direct experiences with the spirit world and the like, etc....

I mean, when she writes about channeling spirit guides and working with spirit guides when they walk into the room with her healing patients and she describes these things, she doesn't use words like....

"I BELIEVE that I saw such and such a guide put their etheric hands through mine while we worked on the patient together...."

but instead, she does write it more along the lines of....

"This guide from such and such a level walked in and put his etheric hands through mine...."

I have had many, many direct experiences with this whole field by now, and so I feel that I too have the right to write in this way if I choose to do so as well.

If I've earned anything through all of this that I've been through, I think it would have to be that personal right of mine by now.

'Reality' as people know it expands and expands once they open themselves up to it all, because....

the spirit world is flowing here among us, around us, and all through us, since there is no such thing as 'separation.'

But anyways, yes, FOR SURE the grounding cord DOES exist and actually it's malfunctioning in certain ways is a very, very common cause of a variety of illnesses in people on this planet, on all levels, meaning obviously the physical, emotional, and mental levels.

As for lifetime partnerships, I wasn't even addressing you in my last post to aj.

I was merely only trying to state to aj why I feel that I will be able to find and maintain what I want in my own life.

Some people are called to explore one sort of lasting depth with someone, and some people are called to explore different sorts of depths with multiple people instead.

One path really doesn't cancel the other one out in any way at all.

Obviously, one person is called for one thing, and one person is called for that other thing.

Whatever makes every individual happy is all ok with me.

When I said that I was a rare woman, I was referring to certain rare experiences that I have been though in my life which have made me very equipped to do what I have set my heart on doing in this life, but as I said, I simply can't explain anything about things so unique and convoluted at this point.

And my personal experiences have made it possible for me to know exactly what I don't want, and at this time....

I look within and I basically find no spiritual calling to explore anything except the more lasting depth of a more permanent union with someone at this time.

As for me personally being able to know when that person comes along?

I feel that I will personally have a very strong sense as to when they enter my life at the time that they do enter it.

I have become very sensitive to energetic vibrations and the like by now, lol.

You know, it might make it easier for people to look at it this way....

A lot of people out there do date around, and enter into multiple relationships with people for awhile.

Sometimes, do this dating around etc....until they find someone they feel they will be with for the rest of their life, which is why they sometimes 'settle down and marry' at that time.

They might do this to get a correct feel for just who is the 'right one' or the 'best one' to settle down with.

Well, as for me, lets just say that what I have been through in my youth has more than given me all of that basis for knowledge without really needing to go through much of that process, at least I don't think that I will have to go through too much of all of that anyway.

As for the lack of grounding in that cord leading to people moving around to different partners, I still suspect that it COULD be a cause of that in SOME cases, but....

that DOESN'T even necessarily mean that it is appropriate for that person to change their cords so they can 'settle down' or something just because anyone else around them happens to be doing something like that and they are not doing it too.

But, I do think that working on that cord's function would be best for their own physical health purposes and for their own purposes of having the chance to manifest their other kinds of creativity to their own fullest potential without some of that creativity getting too stuck in their higher energy bodies though.

But, I know, unfortunately, most people don't even actually realize that they have this truly very important grounding cord anyway.

Playful

posted June 05, 2004 11:32 PM         

You're like a mirror to me. I relate to you totally.

The only thing I differ from you is, I don't think you need to be perfect or "all together" to meet your true love I think you're to meet him to work together through all the issues and that you will and can still attract him when the time is right for you. I think this is sort of a myth and explanation but not a correct one, that society came up with, again more blame-or responsibility being put on women. It enforces actually the ideal that we are not perfect enough which adds to the pain if you have been rejected.

Again I totally agree with what you said you took the words right out of my mouth.

I trying to imagine the experiences you went through, and I believe you because only a person who is capable of such great depth and love can create that

It's interesting that many thought Playful had high ideals, since I'm the same interesting?

My experience with the cording is when you are born what usually happens is the birth and the love of your parents (the relationship) usually grounds you and you enter or become part of this reality. If you had a difficult birth and you didn't connect with your parents you will need a relationship from friends growing up or boyfriends or eventually your soulmate to ground you. Some actually go on in life never connecting and being grounded to the earth and don't understand why they feel like they aren't part of the world or don't belong or feel they have a wall around them.
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I look within and I basically find no spiritual calling to explore anything except the more lasting depth of a more permanent union with someone at this time.
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-Me to

from a song
the purpose of a man is to love a woman and the purpose of a woman is to love a man.