posted April 07, 2006 07:10 PM         

Every time I read one of your posts I swear it gets my mind going in all different directions. You certainly have the ability to invoke thought. That's a great gift and I love it! I love it when others cause me to think and even rethink my positions. No, not what is considered a normal Taurus here.

You also have the gifts of logic and reason. You would make an excellent theologian.

You said:

"Yes, I can be very idealistic.

But, it is sometimes necessary to compensate
for the exaggerated realism that is so common these centuries.
Immoderate realism is as dangerous as idealism, if not more so.
There is no greater madness than to see
only what is, and not what may be."

Very true. Being idealistic is a wonderful thing because throughout the history of the world it has never been the realists who brought about any change in the world. Always it was the idealists - the visonaries who saw a better way. It was Bobby Kennedy who said, " Some people see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that could be and ask, 'Why not?'" I went into deep mourning the day he was murdered. But "the dream never dies, just the dreamer."

It's also true that we have to balance realism with idealism. It's never good to be too realistic or too idealistic. However if I had to be too much of one of those types, I would much prefer to be too much of an idealist. I have on my wall above my computer desk a framed crocheted saying made for me by my daughter in law that says, "Believe In Dreams." I am a bit of an idealist myself. I do believe in dreams. I do believe there is always a better way.

posted April 07, 2006 07:37 PM         

Lovely!

And yes...
"Believe In Dreams."

And I love the song and word;
"IMAGINE"

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

Writen by: John Lennon
© Bag productions inc.

HSC
I salute you!

posted April 07, 2006 07:40 PM         

Thank you!

LOL, I'm so vulnerable to praise, its embarrassing!

You have made me very happy today, thank you.

I love that Bobby Kennedy quote!
He would have gone on to do great things,
especially after what happened to his big bro.
He was the only politician I ever heard of
who explained a change in position by saying,
"That was before I read Camus,".
Seriously cool.

I'm sorry his passing was so hard for you.

"I love it when others cause me to think and even rethink my positions."

I want to invite you (and anyone who's curious) to check out my profile, on "myspace".
http://www.myspace.com/thapigeonhole

Specifically the blogs.
http://blog.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&friendID=49251475&blogMonth=&BlogDate=&blogYear=&Mytoken=13D0A521-70FD-1109-D24512E73C08421D43088416

A couple blogs exhibit my poetry.
(to see both, you have to click on "older",
under "blog archive", on the left.)

One lists quotes of my own creation.
Another lists quotes I've collected.
And there is some fiction, if it interests you.
Some of its a little "blue" (so be warned).

No pressure to read or comment on anything,
just think you might find some things of interest.

Remember, every time a bell rings,
and every time you say "I do believe in dreams,"
an angel gets his/her wings.

posted April 07, 2006 07:56 PM         

Hi!!!

posted April 07, 2006 08:20 PM         

It was HSC that gave that quote, Fayte. I was posting his quote. Wish I had said it though.

I read the thread you gave me in your post, HSC and am in agreement, it is far more important to concentrate on what Jesus said and his deeds than speculate on trivial things because that is all it is, pure speculation. The message and examples Jesus gave to us is all that is important. A lot of the things mentioned by the original poster of that thread( sorry forgot her name, but I can claim senior moments now that I will be 60 this month ) come from Gnostic writings which early on were disregarded by the early church as heresy.

As for my interest in Jesus, I studied theology for 4 years in a Roman Catholic seminary. Certainly not to become a priest. I taught 8th grade catechism for 3 years.

Have you ever read the writings or heard the tapes by Fr. Richard Rohr. Judging by what you said on the other thread about the second coming being for the "righteous" I think you would really like his talk on "The Spirituality of Imperfection." I have a transcript of that tape and maybe I can post it for you on that other thread. Spirituality, Fr. Rohr says, is not about climbing up it is about going down until you are nothing. It's not about perfection.

Besides, when someone thinks they are righteous they should remember that Jesus would never allow anyone to say he was "good." He admonished them by saying, "Why do you call me good? Only God is good."

Fayte, I didn't have time to read all of the posts but read one of yours too that was really good.

posted April 07, 2006 08:28 PM         

I also have forgotten to tell Lialei that I know the song she posted well. Have the CD it is on. I have secretly had a crush on Kris Kristofferson for years.

posted April 07, 2006 08:39 PM         

This was the quote (by Lia) that I wanted you to see:

"I believe most often casual sex isn't really just about the sex for most people.
Even if they're unaware of it themselves at the time,
it's more a yearning for connection to ease their loneliness."

As for the grey areas, its okay if you dont see them
(they may not be a part of your path).
But I assure you, many people do.

When we think about "sex",
we are not all thinking about the same thing.
We each project our own conscious and unconscious attitudes onto this concept/experience.

Astrology plainly shows the difference between having Saturn,
or, say, Venus conjunct Jupiter, in the 8th house.

The former will see it as a serious,
perhaps forbidding experience,
and it may indeed be so, for this person.

The latter will approach it with optimism,
and a sense of innocent exploration,
and it likely will be so, for this person.

As for experience, I dont have it,
or know anyone for whom FWB has worked, either.
But that just means the jury's still out.
Even if it never worked for anyone, ever,
still wouldnt prove that it couldnt happen.
There is a first time for everything.

"Nothing teaches, and nothing prejudices, like experience."
- Me

take care,
hsc

posted April 07, 2006 08:54 PM         

I've considered attending seminary myself,
even though I've never been a Catholic.

I had some idea about subversively reforming the Church from the inside.
In the end, I decided it would be insincere.

Never heard of Fr. Rohr,
but sounds interesting.

To correct you,
I said that the Second Coming,
if it ever happens,
will Not be for the "righteous",
but for the "sinners".
The righteous (if indeed they are such) have their reward.

I think you got what I meant, though.

posted April 08, 2006 02:09 PM         

Hey Fayte,

Actually, I was paraphrasing someone (dont know who).
I've definitely read that somewhere, though.

I almost always give credit,
so as not to appear to claim it myself.
But there is an Aquarian principle which haunts me...
Namely, that what is important is what was said, not who said it.
And I feel that we perpetuate a wrong view of the universe,
by placing so much emphasis on "mine" and "yours".
(Maybe this has to do with Pisces on my 2nd house?)

posted April 08, 2006 09:38 PM         

It's easy to see why some here don't know Kris Kristofferson. He may be one of the few people around older than me. Another reason for me to like him.

Even though I talk about my age a lot it is only because my birthday is approaching and as I said, it's another decade year. No matter what age we are those decade years always bother us to a degree. Age doesn't really bother me that much because I don't look my age. My body knows it though so appearances aren't everything. I think women ( and men ) should just allow nature to take it's course and grow old gracefully. Too much plastic surgery, lyposuction and silicone floating around out there these days. Hard to tell who is real or manufactured. God, who would want to put themself through all that in their old age? We get poked and jabbed and have every orifice of our bodies checked out yearly anyway the older we get. So grab a margarita and go sit on the beach and enjoy life for crying out loud! That's how I feel about it.

Good point about quotes, HSC. I had never thought of it that way but once again you are absolutely right IMO. Also wanted to tell you that it made me happy that my compliments regarding your talents and abilities made you happy. I meant every word I said too. I don't do that loosely. I only say things that I truly mean. I can be very outspoken. Some might say TOO outspoken. So bear with me. I may be fast approaching the age when I can say anything I want and people think it's cute. lol Here's another one: I truly was amazed when you said you were only 27 years old. You are indeed wise beyond your years.

posted April 08, 2006 11:23 PM         

My feelings also!
The messenger of profound messages and spiritual wisdom knows he/she is only the messenger...it is the message which is of the most importance!

Mirandee
Pink Floyd! Roger Waters!Oh yeah!
And even though I am not into country music..."KK" has some Great songs for sure!
Roy Orbison had some good ones too.

Oh yes! Age with grace and dignity! Look at Vanessa Redgrave! WOW! Or Meryl Streep. Or oh yeah..Sean Connery!
I am 51 and my only complaint is I wish my body worked right. But the age factor is not an issue with me.
I am going to tell an off color thing...
Rather rude but the way I feel about "King G and Dickie"....well here goes....
There was this political cartoon.
It had a drawing of male genitalia(dick) with legs running after a drawing of female genitalia(bush) with legs, and the caption was:
One Fu-king Thing After Another.
Ok that was bad I know. But right after the stolen election...it just fit somehow my mood. Flabbergasted and disgusted.

posted April 09, 2006 12:26 AM         

Quote:

My feelings also!
The messenger of profound messages and spiritual wisdom knows he/she is only the messenger...it is the message which is of the most importance!

-----

Exactly.
And the messenger also knows that there is nothing new under the sun.
There's nothing we can think or say,
that hasnt already been thought and said,
by those in times forgotten.
And our names will also be forgotten.
Our works, too, shall crumble to dust;
neither shall there be any remembrance thereof.
Only the Word(s), only the Message will abide.
Always ready to inform the next anonymous messenger.

posted April 09, 2006 11:36 AM         

What if all involved arent being honest.......what if one of them has a quick fling one night and they dont know the history of the other person?

I wouldnt say "carry on" to anyone that was taking a risk like this......such an irresponsible comment to pass !!

Oh dear !!

At the end of the day its nobody elses business, but I would hate to see this end in tragedy or heartbreak.

posted April 09, 2006 12:34 PM         

That can even happen in a marriage or a long term relationship..."a one time big mistake done for many reasons.....not even necessarily repeated"....and no one knows until too late and someone becomes ill.
There is more chance of that happening in a so called comitted relationship than what SW is doing. Because a cheating spouse or long term lover usually will not confess that they did have an quickie fling... Often it is just a one time thing...but the effects can sometimes be disasterous!
And the cheaters rarely check their fling's sexual history, unlike the responsible attitude and actions of SW.