posted September 09, 2011 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by bellesoul:
Ahh Soothsayer, just realised! I was talking about pluto n 8th coz thats what i thought i read in ur post, just read ur post again n it sed uranus... oops sorry!!! The 4th house aye?!! i think for me this manifested thru well my home life and all that was familial to me and important at the core. Like i went thru moving house about 5-6 times. Still am not settled lol! but it really did transform my inner life.. was a very chaotic period. I do think pluto in all the houses is transformative at a personal level, particularly 4th n 8th house.. the 5th too but it wasn't as chaotic in reality as the 4th. Oh and ignore my typos, where i think fast i have to type quick to make sure i remember wha i wana say and cant be assed to always go bk n correct em. If it was an essay, it wud be diff lool!

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No I understand, actually the way you talk reminds me a lot of my best friend (which of whom I am going to post her chart on here in hopes someone can help me interpret it cause she's my best friend, so it's difficult for me to notice negatives and that...) and she types like that too cause she also doesn't want to forget anything.

posted September 09, 2011 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by bellesoul:
Aquarians emotional? lol! na just jokin, my mums an aquarius and she is the most wonderfully emotional but detached but involved but aloof but engaging but independent but talkative but INTERESTED in others but stubborn but giving but generous but unique person i have ever met. She is a completely loving mum. She has had her own issues, that yeah did affect my upbringing, but i was always loved and thats whats kept me on the right path and close to her. She is Aries moon and Libra asc if the time of birth my Nan gav is correct lol.

I love Aquarians, i am always gettin into convos with them that go on for ages and talk just about nething, which i love, I can do this with anyone if it happens but spesh Gems, libras, Virgos n Aries too but Libras the one where we'll debate n Aquarius it'll be like an easy flow of convo that happens naturally; maybe coz its sextile my Sun? Its weird ur moons Aquarius coz u do LOOK Aquarius, i can see the purity of Virgo in u too but there is def an Aquarius feel to u.. Oh and i thought ur explanation was better too, sounded very intelligent and articulate

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Hahaha "Aquarians emotional?" lol you are funny. I get it though, my grandma has a lot of Aquarian planets and she is the utmost aloof person I have ever met. I think with most people, any inner planet or angle (mainly Ascendant I would think) in Aquarius tends to cover up most of the chart. Normally, your Moon sign will come up later once you get to know somebody. With me, it is the most obvious because the aloofness and feeling like an outsider tends to stop you from expressing affections.
One thing this placement does for me, and I know because friends point it out CONSTANTLY, is the whole accepting everybody and being unbiased. I do not choose sides based on my relationship with somebody. What is right is right, and wrong is wrong. And I will defend anyone treating somebody unjustly. If my best friend is picking on someone I can't stand, but that person has done nothing to deserve it, I will defend that person. My friends get mad at me, they take it as an insult as if I'm not loyal enough. And this is not true, not at all. I just don't play the whole favoritism bit. Nobody is better than anyone.

So how do I look Aquarian? Maybe my Aquarian tendencies or making me deny it so I don't notice it but please explain. Is it just the energy I project? lol

posted September 09, 2011 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by bellesoul:
Yeah definately my mum is like that unbiased and accepting; that can maybe explain why aquas r sometimes known as being detached/unemotional because they always take the rational/ logical stance that it doesn't appear to others they're emotionally involved. I find Libras (which i do loveee) can be very cold; probably colder than any other sign and detached sometimes because they r so sure they r right all the time.. equal to an Aries and Taurus, sometimes even more so. Wrong and strong hahaha but they r more often than not right; i've gone off on a tangent oops.

Well, u have this similar energy sorta like my Mum; the Uranus, eccentric energy that oozes from you... if u know what i mean?

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Really? Libras? Hmm well I guess it depends on the other aspects in the chart. My boyfriend has a Libra ASC also with his Sun, Mercury and Mars all in Libra too...he is far from cold and detached. He is that typical friendly, charming Libra. He is also very in-tune with his emotions BUT his Moon is in Pisces so that there makes all the difference I suppose.
BUT I agree with you that they are argumentative, and always think their right. That is one thing (although they would NEVER admit to it) that almost every Libra I've ever known has had an issue with. Plus they can never make up their mind so sometimes their opinions change. My boyfriend is a bit more balanced like that, maybe his Moon (which is involved in a water grand trine with Jupiter and Pluto) or it could be his Mercury and Mars in the twelfth that makes him hold back argument.
But two of my good friends have Libra Suns (have neither of their birth information)and all they do is argue. They will say somethng one day that you disagree with, then the next day they say the exact opposite so basically agreeing with what you had initially said. It's ridiculous..it's the one thing that keeps me away from both people. But other than the arguing I enjoy time with Libras.

posted September 09, 2011 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
I am amused to hear this description is due to Uranus. OK. I always wondered. I too have this trait of 'not limiting to me and my friends' and siding what is correct or appropriate. Unfortunately ppl think it is disloyalty. So i never can gel with groups. I am by myself and am friendly with persons in general. Moon conj Uranus and Jupiter. I think on very, if i may say, universal terms which obviously goes against what closeness demands. Though i can be very close too but on human basis and love more than attachment. eg. if someone close to me is charged with something and has actually done it and i know it then i wouldnt side him/her. I would go with the truth but all the same i would be with him/her through the situation and later. Makes us weirdos i think. Ppl think i am aloof or reserved but inside i am just the opposite and they realise it sooner than later.

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Yes, this is exactly how I am. That's the worst part about it--people mistaking this attitude as disloyalty or coldness. Obviously there is a different kind of care and respect for those close to you, but I guess with me sometimes I forget how sensitive the ego is for most people and just paying them a little extra attention is what they need to feel validated. I've never understood this because I am not this way. Well I am now with my boyfriend, but we've been together for a few years so that's different.

One of the biggest themes in my life for me having this placement is say, when I was younger and was having a birthday party or something and I'd talk to all the kids I invited and sort of went back and forth between all of them (and this is when I was really little say between the ages of 2-6, before I became really shy and introverted...) and just about every time my best friend would always be hurt and upset feeling as if I ignored them the whole time when I hadn't really payed anyone else any more attention than them. Although, whenever there was a newer kid that didn't really know anyone or was just really shy, that was the person I'd pay the most attention to, and make them comfortable.

Well here is an interpretation for Moon in Aquarius, then one for Moon conjunct Uranus; taken from Julia and Derek Parker's book: Parker's Astrology, the Definitive Guide to Using Astrology in Every Aspect of Your Life...

Moon in Aquarius
"Those with this placement are magnetically attractive, yet send out signals suggesting they are cool and distant, and don't want the rest of us to come close. This is their immediate reaction, and it is only when we break through this brittle, bright but but somewhat frosty barrier that we actually experience the characteristics of the Sun, and eventually the Ascendant, sign. It is as if, in some ways, the subject is on the defensive, and wishes to appear somewhat enigmatic and mysterious.
The flow of emotions is very controlled, although if anyone needs help the subject will immediately respond and want to do as much as possible..."

Moon conjunct Uranus
"This potent planetary relationship provides a powerful element of emotional tension: whether it is discharged positively or negatively will depend on other influences.
Magnetic and dynamic, this aspect contributes originality, brilliance, and intuitive thoughts and ideas. However, Uranian perversity will color the reactions to situations and expression of feelings, and add a need to be different and unconventional."

posted September 10, 2011 01:10 AM            

This is the interpretation from Cafeastrology:

posted September 10, 2011 12:08 PM            

Ur right about ur description of me, i think i do give off that Leonine image, but i am also very aware of the negative Leo traits and feel that they are so easily expressed by myself, often without realising and i have to make a conscious effort to curb them; i couldn't stand to be thought of as pompous or whatever. I really dislike snobs and sometimes when or the way i speak i think i naturally come across a bit superior; which i know i'm not- i think my fam and bf think i do have a big ego etc and i actually don't think i do... i think its just that innate leo regality but i think the Sag helps me come across more common and Cancer more compassionate and relaxed. I hope so anyway.

Yeah u do have this eccentric individuality that comes across in ur pic, and a sorta shy Virgo virgin(innocent) humility. Its weird coz Virgos, even though they r humble and quite shy. I find they actually (secretly love) attention; but coz they r humble, its easy to give them it; u want to give it to them. My bfs moon's Virgo, my friend and others that i know r like this; and i enjoy giving them attention coz they don't demand it; they deserve it unlike Leos who crave it hehehe. I find that when someone really demands my attention; i don't wana give it, not coz i'm bein nasty, but coz it can be a turn-off that someone needs so much validation alll the time. We all like validation, don't get me wrong but i just don't like neediness (and that's comin from a Cancer moon lmao) Oh, and from ur writing i get The Aquarius sense of openness and broadness of thought and mentality and the Virgo intelligence, clarity of thought and logic. U seem very smart.

Anyway, u r very pretty, and like i said cute; u happy a very likeable quality to ur appearance.

Ermmm i'm not too sure about semi-sextiles?

posted September 10, 2011 01:57 PM            

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Yes, this is exactly how I am. That's the worst part about it--people mistaking this attitude as disloyalty or coldness. Obviously there is a different kind of care and respect for those close to you, but I guess with me sometimes I forget how sensitive the ego is for most people and just paying them a little extra attention is what they need to feel validated. I've never understood this because I am not this way. Well I am now with my boyfriend, but we've been together for a few years so that's different.

One of the biggest themes in my life for me having this placement is say, when I was younger and was having a birthday party or something and I'd talk to all the kids I invited and sort of went back and forth between all of them (and this is when I was really little say between the ages of 2-6, before I became really shy and introverted...) and just about every time my best friend would always be hurt and upset feeling as if I ignored them the whole time when I hadn't really payed anyone else any more attention than them. Although, whenever there was a newer kid that didn't really know anyone or was just really shy, that was the person I'd pay the most attention to, and make them comfortable.

Well here is an interpretation for Moon in Aquarius, then one for Moon conjunct Uranus; taken from Julia and Derek Parker's book: Parker's Astrology, the Definitive Guide to Using Astrology in Every Aspect of Your Life...

[b]Moon in Aquarius
"Those with this placement are magnetically attractive, yet send out signals suggesting they are cool and distant, and don't want the rest of us to come close. This is their immediate reaction, and it is only when we break through this brittle, bright but but somewhat frosty barrier that we actually experience the characteristics of the Sun, and eventually the Ascendant, sign. It is as if, in some ways, the subject is on the defensive, and wishes to appear somewhat enigmatic and mysterious.
The flow of emotions is very controlled, although if anyone needs help the subject will immediately respond and want to do as much as possible..."

Moon conjunct Uranus
"This potent planetary relationship provides a powerful element of emotional tension: whether it is discharged positively or negatively will depend on other influences.
Magnetic and dynamic, this aspect contributes originality, brilliance, and intuitive thoughts and ideas. However, Uranian perversity will color the reactions to situations and expression of feelings, and add a need to be different and unconventional."

What sign and house is your Moon/Uranus?[/B]

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posted September 10, 2011 08:12 PM            

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Hahaha ur interpretation and info about ur friends is spot on! lol so true. What i meant about being 'cold' is when their angry and being stubborn, it kinda comes across like quite selfish and ruthless; when they r stickin to their viewpoint or going after sumin they want; which can be quite startling and in complete contrast to their normally sunshine, amiable personalities (Maybe this is bcoz in astrology Libra is represented as the only inanimate object of the entire zodiac; so that i believe will affect their expressions of opinion and just generally make them diff; coz the rest of us are animals n humans and we r prone to emotionalism which can affect our judgements; they are rarely like this unless other aspects indicate it) . But overall they are wonderful company. My bf is a libra sun and merc in libra with aspects, sun 7th house but he is THE BEST company. I admire him so much, not just as a bf but as a person, he is so sociable, funny, CHARMING, seductive lol, i could go on haha and helpful (though i think the virgo moon helps with that)Libras r prob the best company of the zodiac really, they are so infectious and warm and u really feel they enjoy ur company, and not every person shows u that; there's a real sense of togetherness; truly great companions. But like every one of us they have a negative side too. My bf isn't like urs in that he is confrontational (Aries asc) which i do like but boy he can have a temper.

Ur right about ur description of me, i think i do give off that Leonine image, but i am also very aware of the negative Leo traits and feel that they are so easily expressed by myself, often without realising and i have to make a conscious effort to curb them; i couldn't stand to be thought of as pompous or whatever. I really dislike snobs and sometimes when or the way i speak i think i naturally come across a bit superior; which i know i'm not- i think my fam and bf think i do have a big ego etc and i actually don't think i do... i think its just that innate leo regality but i think the Sag helps me come across more common and Cancer more compassionate and relaxed. I hope so anyway.

Yeah u do have this eccentric individuality that comes across in ur pic, and a sorta shy Virgo virgin(innocent) humility. Its weird coz Virgos, even though they r humble and quite shy. I find they actually (secretly love) attention; but coz they r humble, its easy to give them it; u want to give it to them. My bfs moon's Virgo, my friend and others that i know r like this; and i enjoy giving them attention coz they don't demand it; they deserve it unlike Leos who crave it hehehe. I find that when someone really demands my attention; i don't wana give it, not coz i'm bein nasty, but coz it can be a turn-off that someone needs so much validation alll the time. We all like validation, don't get me wrong but i just don't like neediness (and that's comin from a Cancer moon lmao) Oh, and from ur writing i get The Aquarius sense of openness and broadness of thought and mentality and the Virgo intelligence, clarity of thought and logic. U seem very smart.

Anyway, u r very pretty, and like i said cute; u happy a very likeable quality to ur appearance.

Ermmm i'm not too sure about semi-sextiles?

I think i have read about em b4, but off the top of my head its not something i'm really 'into' at the moment. What are u into at the moment concerning Astrology, by this i mean; anythin that's really intriguing u and you'd like to understand more?

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Yes that is true, isn't it? Libra's can come across quite selfish when they are involved in an argument. Thing is, they hate being told that they are wrong and even though you can see it in their face when you've proved your point they either keep arguing even though it is so obvious that they are wrong. OR they just say "oh whatever I'm done talking to you" lol I hear that from both of the Libras I mentioned earlier. Or they'll bring up something you did months ago. It's so annoying but it's easy for them to win you over again with their sweetness.
My boyfriend has his Mars conjunct the ASC and Sun...he has a HUGE temper, and I mean HUGE! But he doesn't always show it. His Mars is also in the twelfth, so that causes the whole suppressed rage which is something he is finally dealing with (I'm trying to discuss his chart with him to help him understand why he is this way. I think I'm helping quite a bit )

Yes, Leos can come across really egotistical and pompous but they still have lovely qualities. They are generous and affectionate, and know how to put a smile on their face. I think the worst Leo placement I've ever seen (this is not to say that everyone with this placement is this way but...) is Mercury in Leo. One person I can think of from the top of my head with this placement and I CANNOT have a conversation with them. This person won't even have any prior knowledge of a subject but they think they know all about it and will argue with you no matter how advanced you may be in the matter--you are still wrong. It's almost like they assume things in their head, convince themselves it's the way it is and that's it. You cannot convince these people of anything.
But yes, you do look very Leonine and have a beautiful presence. From what I could see (and remember not that I can very well lol) your room looks like something a Leo would love. Classic and clean white curtains and bedding. Hard to explain, it just looks like a Leo's type.
I don't sense Leo in the way you come across or speak--like I said you have that philosophical and jovial Sagittarian attitude and speech.

Hahaha, yes I agree that some Virgo's secretly crave attention. The thing with Virgo's is, though, that they are the servant in a sense. They work really hard to keep their lives and the lives of their loved ones organized and are willing to do absolutely anything to make other people happy and contented. They are all modest to a fault and the people in their lives get used to it and don't think about it. After a while Virgo will start to feel unappreciated and I think that's where the secret need for attention comes from. Sometimes a simple "thank you I really appreciate it" or "you mean so much to me" is all we need.
I agree with you, I absolutely hate clingy people or people who demand the attention. It's unappealing and quite frankly, irritating. I enjoy being appreciated but I'm not going to annoy other people in order to gain that appreciation. When you expect attention for your good deeds, all it tells other people is that you are doing these nice things simply for recognition, not just for the sake of being a good person. And that is a huge turn off for me.

Aw I appreciate you saying that
That's definitely one thing I love about my Virgo/Aqua combination--Virgo gives me the ability to be detail oriented and to write and speak my Aquarian broad philosophy and opinion in an organized fashion (although this does not always happen. You'll notice I tend to get a little overexcited when I feel I'm on the ball with what I'm talking about and I'll sort of go back and forth and babble a little bit)

What am I most focused on in astrology at the moment? Hmm well I usually try to balance it out and go back and forth between certain things but right now I am trying to learn about each individual house a bit more indepth. I understand the houses very well but I'm trying to understand them a bit more fully if that makes sense. Right now I'm putting a lot of emphasis on the IC. I understand it's basics and can pretty well understand the effects each planet/sign would have on the fourth house but I'm trying to perfect how it would truly influence an individual and how it would play out through the rest of their lives. I suppose it depends on other aspects and placements to truly decide how the person will manifest the knowledge they have gained through their roots or even from their parents.
I know that the IC will describe the core of the person.
I understand mine and my mother's IC but I have difficulty full understanding anyone elses.
I have Sag on the fourth--almost everyone in my family has Sagittarian qualities. They are all very opinionated, religious, philosophical, ect. I spent my entire childhood travelling through the country and seeing lots of different towns. My childhood was adventurous and really quite happy. Now that I'm older, all those experiences are things I crave. I am constantly wishing I was on the road, exploring. I am hoping to live in a few different places, maybe one day another country even for a while. And all my interests and studies are spiritually and philosophically inclined.
With my Mom, she has Aries on the IC, she suffered a lot of violence as a child and a lot of fighting. A lot of people in her life were domineering and selfish (not the whole family, but there were a lot). Her safe haven was with her granny and grandpa.
So I guess I'm just trying to study the charts that I have and really focus on their IC and maybe understand it a bit better.

posted September 10, 2011 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Virgo in 10th house with Jup in conj. So i may fit Linda's description of Virago (yes u read it correctly), to some extent. lol Btw your picture reflects virgo qualities.

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posted September 12, 2011 10:51 AM            

Leo in merc: I know what u mean. I know some people with this placement; they are very affectionate and friendly in nature, but when their ego is bruised it shows very easily; tho the other chart factors r needed too as i know two leos in merc, wi both their suns in leo too; and they both share the friendly nature but they r very different.

The IC? For me i would like to know more about DC; which i've given the least time too. I know some stuff, but would like to truly understand in more depth though. Ur interpretation is interesting, urs bein on Sag and ur Mums being an Aries. My cusp is on libra but is mostly in scorpio; i feel like i feel both; i feel growing up it was more more a Scorpio household but now it is becoming more Libran. My brothers is in Aries, and at the time he was born an therafter my Mum n Dad split up n there was rows etc.

I have always been interested in the pure analysis of what the chart means, e.g. Merc squaring Mars and so forth. I feel i am understanding of the planets and the signs and how they interact etc but now i want to understand the technical side of the charts bcoz i am not very technical minded. I want to delve into the angles, and degrees etc.

When you said about semi-sextiles and i remembered i had a chart done ages ago and sent to me... and it explained semi-sextile...

Strong sextile/ sextile: The planetary energies flow together, open into new possibilities, new connection.

posted September 12, 2011 01:47 PM            

I completely believe in cusps and think they play a huge part in our charts...that makes a lot of sense, with your early home life being more like Scorpio, and your later home life being like Libra.
With me, I have my 3rd house cusp in Libra at 25 degrees, the peaceful diplomatic Libra being here made sense for when I was a young child. I was friendly with all kids and had a sweet and peaceful way of communicating with neighbours and friends. But, my third house cusp progressed into Scorpio when I was about 6 years old (it shows at 0 deg. Scorp for the year 1997 around my birthday). This influence rings the most true for me. It makes sens to, because at about the age 6 or 7 is when I became extremely quiet and secretive--keeping my most deep inner thoughts to myself. It's when I started to realize the truth about most family members and it really cut me deep. I became introverted and again, extremely secretive. My thought processes were so deep and so intense and the things I day dreamed about were a little, well disturbing lol. But when I speak to people I am always extremely honest, almost too honest, and can't help but to bring up every little detail. Also, when I am annoyed with someone I tend to become snappy and sarcastic.

So the DC huh? I was stumped with this for quite some time. A lot of people will just consider it as the partner(s) and that is not true. The DC is basically like your most inner self--the self that you do not express but it's energies are what you project out onto the world and these energies will influence the type of people that are brought into your life. I believe that the universe will send you people that you must learn from. These people will possess obvious qualities that you yourself have deep inside--qualities you must come to terms with. So it makes sense that people see it just as being your partner. For example, I have Pisces on the DC. Almost every close friend, all the people that have been against me, and of course "partners" have all had a Neptunian feel about them. Almost all of my friends and partners have all been depressed, self-undoing, sadkinds of people. And they all came into my life when these qualities were something they were struggling with. It's almost as if they all came to me just for me to help them. And I always tried to save them. I thought I could but I couldn't. Most of them had drug and/or alcohol addictions also. Now, these are all struggles I was having beneath the surface.
These are also the qualities you will show towards your partners. This I do agree with. People see my, and I express myself, as analytical, practical, and methodological. When I am with my boyfriend, or with people I am extremely close with, I am compassionate, loving, and understanding.

I also want to delve into every little bit of the chart. I try so hard to do so. I will sit there are stare at a chart and study it as best as I can and I can undertand it for the most part, it's just difficult to put it into words sometimes.

posted September 12, 2011 04:15 PM            

I was just taking a look at my transits for my second year in junior high (this was when I started getting picked on on a daily basis.
Interesting, transiting Saturn was conjunct my natal Chiron and transiting Chiron was conjunct my natal Saturn. This makes a lot of sense to me. it was a trying and depressing time. This was the time in my lifewhere I suffered a lot of pain. Saturn was transiting my 11th and Chiron my 5th.
Also, Uranus was conjunct my DC just beginning it's transit through my 7th. During that time my relationships were unpredictable and almost everyone in my life was perverse and hard to understand.

It was also the beginning of Neptune's transit through my 6th house (still is, it's about 10 degrees away from my DC). This is when my health started to become a problem. Right now it's really bad with swelling and soreness every where, mainly legs and ankles. I have Aquarius on the 6th so I am susceptible to poor circluation and problems with my legs and ankles to begin with. This is a huge struggle for me now. I thnk Neptune in the 6th explains why I feel so lazy and exausted all the time though. Hmm

posted September 13, 2011 04:25 AM            

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Wow sounds like you got your hands full lol. Often times when people get bitter like that toward other people it doesn't have much to do with the person involved, it's just an inner conflict they have that they're taking out on you.

Is her Moon afflicted?

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I def agree with u on that. We all have some inner conflict, some more than others but some behaviours are evidently from inner turmoil and imagined hurts from others.

This is her chart. But i can not say it is 100% accurate as her mum could not remember her time of birth so it is estimated. I just hope mothers intuition prevailed with the time here.

posted September 13, 2011 05:40 AM            

Saturn/ Chiron transits aye, i think this could manifest thru saturn the planet of restriction, pessimism and structure joining forces with Chiron, our wounds and point of healing; the wounded healer. This conjunction collaborated together within an 'institution' (Saturn) where you experienced pain and suffering (Chiron) and a 'long period of pessimism' (Saturn) to influence you and ensure that you found a resolution (Chiron)to your pain and suffering.... To heal yourself and others. It equipped you with the personal experience with which to experience and suffer but learn from, truly learn from; a bittersweet lesson that has rewarded u with an abundance of wisdom.

Chiron means you will not forget ur pain but you will find a solution to it that will heal yourself and if in tune with ur higher self; others. I have faith and a strong-tuition that you experienced this not only to learn as a person how to cope with extreme adversity, lack of acceptance from others and a feeling of seperateness from others BUT to overcome all these feelings of self-doubt to the benefit of society; u have massive potential to heal others. Ur intellect shows u have a gift, that has no doubt been aided by ur experiences that will allow u depth and breadth of compassion, empathy, understanding so that you will have the personal experiences of helping others that will in turn give inner satisfaction and purpose.

Saturn conjunct ur natal Chiron in the 11th/ Leo: I think Saturns influence here specifically was to show u ur inner strength. The transit occured thru important high-school years when identity is fragile and peer acceptance is normally desired. I believe Saturn occured in ur 11th house and was conjunct Chiron to open up ur wound and make u as vulnerable and as open to criticism as u could be. U was probably an open wound that others fed off of; u probably had no protection to shield urself with and were hurting most profoundly; you had a deep lesson to learn and Saturn put u in a place or position with which to learn, the hard way no doubt; but also the best way because Saturn is the planet of longevity and will only allow u to reap the rewards thru time and hard-work; which you achieved thru self-realization, self-understanding and finally self-acceptance; aided by Chirons point of healing. Saturns lesson and the hard times u experienced then were i believe as u probably do, to serve you as a person, a person learned of deep wisdom, understanding and acceptance of human failings and behaviour. Furthermore, i think ur Chiron in Leo reveals that you didn't get much attention, and you could be doubtful of ur own talents as a result BUT to to help heal this u shud find some way to creatively express urself. I think Saturns influence on Chiron in Leo probably highlighted ur creative concern and difficulty in expression, that others detected and took advantage of; ur self-awareness and lack of confidence was probably evident and became a serious(Saturn)focal point and issue for urself.

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Her packed 4th and the 12th i think r really significant, the home and her seeking solitude from lifes realities. There are some moon afflictions. Sun square moon, moon square merc, moon quincunx chiron. moon conjunct pluto.. although this one could have positivity also, it prob has aided her paranoia and deep psychology of the mind. Chiron in 10th could shows shes wounded where status/ reputation is concerned, thus once again seeking exile from judgement/ society (friends).

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Thank you for sharing her chart.
If it is correct, wow it looks like some struggle. You are right about those twelfth house planets. Especially with Mercury. I think with Mercury here there is a tendency to be afraid to speak your mind. Maybe she was holding in so many depressing thoughts until she finally snapped. My boyfriend's Mercury is in the 12th and he is exactly like this (his Mars is also here, adding suppressed rage) and sometimes he makes comments about what he assumes somebody thinks and it's not true--it's basically just all these gathered, insecure thoughts that get twisted and turned until an imaginary problem comes up and they want to run and hide. These are the kind of people I was saying I tend to try to "save" people with this escapist attitude.
I think with her this, once it actually occurs, is going to be extremely hard for her. ASC, Sun and Merc conjunction in Leo is quite intense with a strong ego and defense mechanism. Any sense of denial her way is going to effect her tremendously.

Wow, that stellium is her fourth is not pretty. Especially not the Mars/Pluto. This screams power struggles. With Saturn and Pluto conjunct the IC. Her home life must be, or much havebeen extremely chaotic. The foundation seems peaceful, what with the cusp being in Libra but all those planets really make things confusing. Did she suffer a lot of arguing and fighting in the home? Or was her home balanced and peaceful, but her influence of family members and her situation cause this turmoil?

posted September 13, 2011 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by bellesoul:
How interesting that this transit occured during that period of ur life; that is very insightful. I haven't looked at my past transits yet, just looked at present ones to see if what it shows coincides with what is happening or where i could take advantage (Jupiter is transitting my 10th i think; so was thinkin this is a good period to take advantage in career...)

Saturn/ Chiron transits aye, i think this could manifest thru saturn the planet of restriction, pessimism and structure joining forces with Chiron, our wounds and point of healing; the wounded healer. This conjunction collaborated together within an 'institution' (Saturn) where you experienced pain and suffering (Chiron) and a 'long period of pessimism' (Saturn) to influence you and ensure that you found a resolution (Chiron)to your pain and suffering.... To heal yourself and others. It equipped you with the personal experience with which to experience and suffer but learn from, truly learn from; a bittersweet lesson that has rewarded u with an abundance of wisdom.

Chiron means you will not forget ur pain but you will find a solution to it that will heal yourself and if in tune with ur higher self; others. I have faith and a strong-tuition that you experienced this not only to learn as a person how to cope with extreme adversity, lack of acceptance from others and a feeling of seperateness from others BUT to overcome all these feelings of self-doubt to the benefit of society; u have massive potential to heal others. Ur intellect shows u have a gift, that has no doubt been aided by ur experiences that will allow u depth and breadth of compassion, empathy, understanding so that you will have the personal experiences of helping others that will in turn give inner satisfaction and purpose.

Saturn conjunct ur natal Chiron in the 11th/ Leo: I think Saturns influence here specifically was to show u ur inner strength. The transit occured thru important high-school years when identity is fragile and peer acceptance is normally desired. I believe Saturn occured in ur 11th house and was conjunct Chiron to open up ur wound and make u as vulnerable and as open to criticism as u could be. U was probably an open wound that others fed off of; u probably had no protection to shield urself with and were hurting most profoundly; you had a deep lesson to learn and Saturn put u in a place or position with which to learn, the hard way no doubt; but also the best way because Saturn is the planet of longevity and will only allow u to reap the rewards thru time and hard-work; which you achieved thru self-realization, self-understanding and finally self-acceptance; aided by Chirons point of healing. Saturns lesson and the hard times u experienced then were i believe as u probably do, to serve you as a person, a person learned of deep wisdom, understanding and acceptance of human failings and behaviour. Furthermore, i think ur Chiron in Leo reveals that you didn't get much attention, and you could be doubtful of ur own talents as a result BUT to to help heal this u shud find some way to creatively express urself. I think Saturns influence on Chiron in Leo probably highlighted ur creative concern and difficulty in expression, that others detected and took advantage of; ur self-awareness and lack of confidence was probably evident and became a serious(Saturn)focal point and issue for urself.

I have never come across someone so enlightened at such a young age, it is such a breath of fresh air to philosophise with someone so open and willing to learn.

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Belle you really have no idea just how insightful these words are for me. I actually cried. Yes, an Aqua Moon CRIED lmao. It means so much to me and you're words really helped me understand that there is a reason for these things to happen. I believe you are right. The things people love about it, the reason why people come to me, what makes myself happy--these all stem from the pain I suffered and the knowledge that come from that suffering.

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Chiron means you will not forget ur pain but you will find a solution to it that will heal yourself and if in tune with ur higher self; others. I have faith and a strong-tuition that you experienced this not only to learn as a person how to cope with extreme adversity, lack of acceptance from others and a feeling of seperateness from others BUT to overcome all these feelings of self-doubt to the benefit of society; u have massive potential to heal others. Ur intellect shows u have a gift, that has no doubt been aided by ur experiences that will allow u depth and breadth of compassion, empathy, understanding so that you will have the personal experiences of helping others that will in turn give inner satisfaction and purpose.

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I had problems in high-school too, i wasn't bullied or abused but i suffered with depression from the 2nd year of high school. I think this culminated from my upbringing and the fact that i felt like i couldn't relate to ppl even friends at school, i eventually missed half of the 2nd year until i forced myself to overcome my depression, anxiety and difference and attempt at relating more. It was like for some reason i felt like i stood out and that people could sense my uncomfortableness and i eventually became weighed down with living day to day like that. I just checked my chart for the 2nd year of high-school in December.. i had chiron pluto sun nearly all conjunct in the 5th house and Saturn and Jupiter retrograde in the tenth.

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posted September 13, 2011 11:49 AM            

Don't worry bout gettin bk to me on the high-school thing, i weren lookin for an answer really, was just sayin coz thought it was weird lol.

Well, the home situation as far as i was aware was that her upbringing was really bad; chaotic, violent and lacking but also she is now living with her partner of like 9 years and even tho she tries to make it really harmonious he is quite aggressive and violent; he is an Aries. I think he is controlling too. So i don't think shes escaped the difficult home-life environment. Also, shes a mum and doesn't work so she relies on him for financial support so i know when shes thought about leaving him she always backs out bcoz she admits she doesn't want to struggle on her own etc; plus she prob still does have love for him. Its sad, i do miss her sometimes, but u cant behave like that. I keep thinkin to tx her just to say why have u gone on like this? But my Leo pride is holdin me bk. She prob will tx bk or maybe not but i think id still feel like real friendships shouldn't function like that.