posted September 16, 2011 02:19 PM            

Also, im really glad ur feeling positive about Saturn in the 5th, i think that these awkward placements aid deeper understanding about oneself and although difficult will bring great rewards if learned from. You are definately the learning type, so any anxiety u feel in this or other areas i think will be eased with time.

posted September 16, 2011 05:53 PM            

And thank you You'vehelped me a lot too I appreciate that

posted September 20, 2011 04:22 AM            

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what u doing up so late lol

posted September 20, 2011 04:23 AM            

I have no work tomorrow and my mind is a little overactive at the moment. My boyfriend works night shift also so I usually end up wide awake around this time.

posted September 21, 2011 09:02 AM            

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[b]3RD HOUSE CUSP IN VIRGO; You have a precise and organized way of thinking and speaking. The ruler of your 3rd is Mercury and you have Mercury in Sag. in the 5th. You have a philosophical and expansive turn of mind and you execute those strong thoughts flawlessly. Your mind is balanced. You are idealistic and optimistic but you know when things should be taken seriously and you are able be practical. You are a quick learner and are able to pick on all the little details of what is said and written. The things that you read about and study are probably Sag. oriented-like religion, politics, law, spirituality--all higher learning. You study them and apply them practically and meticulously. Reading, writing, communications of all kinds are are huge pastime for you and you are probably very passionate about all of the things relating intellect and genius. [/B]

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I think this is like me, although i always feel i am more organised than i think i appear, although maybe that comes from the mind prone to worrying/ anxiety with this placement. I think i am a perfectionist with a lot of things, especially things that i consider important. I am an explorer like a Sag and look at the big picture of everythin but i am capable too at expertise in areas i enjoy, but feel i have to learn a certain area before moving onto the next; although i have skimmed over most in astrology i will always go back to the step by step to ensure i have covered that ground but this prob clashes with my sag need for more, more, more and i have a thirst for learning hence why i always have about 7 pages open on my laptop at once; i can get a little overwhelmed. This sounds very contradictory; it could come from being a dual sign lol.

posted September 21, 2011 09:15 AM            

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[b]4TH HOUSE CUSP IN LIBRA; Your foundation as a child was well balanced and relatively peaceful. Situations as a child helped shaped your capacity for faithful relationships. The influences of your family has taught you to be understanding and friendly toward other people and to see both sides of the situation. Either because people in your life embodied those qualities and inspired you or they were the exact opposite and turned you off. It is really amazing how one act by one signal person can influence certain attitudes and behaviors you have. Were your parents indecisive? Did they have a hard time making any choices regarding the home? You say you can feel the Scorpio in there too and that will happen with progressions. People are not set in stone we change and evolve. We are still the initial being but with people and experiences influencing us. With Scorpio influences this sphere of life there can be a mistrust towards family members and situations involving the home and parents. There will also be a lot of concentration and observation on your roots and the truth of it. [/B]

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My family life was not peaceful and well-balanced (sometimes it was, sometimes it wasn't, but thru the fights, very physical; the love was always there) but i think this is Libra's struggle. Librans goal is to achieve balance, hence why they go from one extreme to the other tryin to attain balance. They desire it, but i would say do not own it, but their potential is there if they can mature. With this knowledge in relation to my Libran cusp i feel like that relates to my early homelife, my parents were trying to find balance, goin fro one extreme to the next before finally splitting and my Dad moving out aged 8, although he has always been there and still is; like i sed before its like my Mum n Dad r a couple without the label. The Scorpio progression, i feel doesn't incline me to mistrust family at all, if anything it creates deeper connection, possessiveness, loyalty; i think it makes u project the mistrust to those outside the family unit. In regards to the focus on my roots and the truth of it, i could say this is true; i am interested in how things operated and to learn from my parents mistakes etc, so the truth of my upbringing, their relationship, etc will enable me knowledge of deeper truth to better understand myself and my flaws, my strengths to go down a more beneficial path.

posted September 21, 2011 09:28 AM            

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[b]5TH HOUSE CUSP IN SCORPIO; Passions runs deep. You transform through arts, creativity and your relationships. You strive to evolve through your hobbies and pasttimes. You want all or nothing in relationships. You have a strong desire to be creative and expressive and even to get noticed for those things. You 5th house stellium in Sag. will alter the expression of this house but add intensity and influence over the 5th house affairs. With Scorpio/Sag influence over your 5th house and its planets, I would think this would create powerful and even compulsive interest in higher learning and philosophic subjects.
Is there an exciting, passionate, and fun theme to your relationships?[/B]

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Yes, this is very accurate

I am definately interested in all these areas like i sed up above but i can appear very intense in regards to such a light-hearted house, although the Sag progression helps to lighten the load and add a more fun, easy-going element to my expression and nature.

Exciting, passionate, fun theme to my relationships?!! Hell yeah lol! I do always try and create an exciting aura in my relationships. When things become stagnant or someone else isn't reciprocating with as much enthusiasm as i do, it can become boring and/ or disheartening. I like to feel a lively connection with people and if i don't; i don't do pleasantries, it has to be all or nothing like u sed. I don't waste time on superficiality even though i know i can be good at general conversation (Leo asc, Sag sun) i do sometimes dont get me wrong, u have to in life; but i dont take it anywhere after that. Even on LL i feel i have struck up a lively connection with u and it leaves me coming back for more haha, with others if it doesn't progress i don't really try n force it. Although, to add i have become more accepting of life having mundane moments and try and find contentment in relaxation and lack of activity but i do still find it hard, i will keep moving my feet or try and do something which develops my higher mind or just anythhing which brings mental stimulation normally thru intellectual pursuits. Gosh, i've rabbited on! Soz

posted September 26, 2011 05:13 AM            

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Okay so here is my summary on the IC. This is not only based on my research but also based on what I have found with the influence of the IC in my chart, and the charts of my loved ones.

The IC is your foundation. It is your heritage and your roots and will explain what you need to feel safe and secure based on experiences as a child. It can also be a hidden side of yourself, your psyche. It will describe your deep rooted attitudes and behaviors. These could be from memories or even subconscious ones. I watched a documentary once that talked about how a lot of ingrained psychological problems can be effected by the environment and situation the mother was in during the 2nd and third trimester. Whatever energies surrounded the mother during pregnancy will hold a huge influence on the childs behaviors and psychology. I can't remember what the study was based on but they talk about people with schizophrenia or other mental health issues and how many of these peoples mother's were in violent or extremely stressful environments.
The baby will prepare itself for the world he or she is about to step into. We are all born sensitive to subtle energies and say, if I were pregnant and in an abusive relationship were I was surrounded by a ton of tension and anger, my baby is going pick up on those energies and prepare itself. Think about it, I know if I walk into a room where everybody is mad I will be able to feel that tension without any prior knowledge to what had happened. Imagine a new baby coming into the world. Babies/young children all all extremely sensitive, that's how they get a feel for things. If they werent prepared for whats to come do you think it possible the baby could go into shock from the intense negative energy? I feel this is true.
When my mom was pregnant with me, she worked night shift as a hotel desk clerk so worked until about 3-4am and didn't go to bed til 7 or 8am. From the day I was born to this day I struggle with sleep. I'd go to bed but I can rarely ever fall asleep until at least 2am. The last few years that I've been working lots is much different, I can sleepout of exhaustion lol.

Anyway I have competely steered away from my point. I believe the IC can indicate attitudes and behaviors based not only on physical/visual memory but emotional memory. Emotional memories are based on vibes and energies you picked up on either before you were born or when you were too young to remember now. I think this will be the side of you that you suppress once you start to grow up and logic sets in. You learn to ignore these things and get a grip on "reality".

I've read that the IC can represent parents-more so the mother. I agree with this to a certain degree; the mother is the traditional care-taker, the one who raises the children. I feel that the IC will represent whoever had the biggest influence on you as a child, whether it be positive or negative. I think it is whoever was your main guardian. I have made some extremely strong and fascinating connections of this. I will quickly list them all off, then I will talk more about your Aquarius IC.

1) My IC; Sagittarius 0deg. My mother was the one who had the biggest influence on me as a child because she was as stay at home mom and my dad worked (that is not to say he had no influence on me, he did. We have similar charts--both strong in Virgo). My mother is a Sagittarius ASC at 15 deg. conj. Jupiter.
2)My love's IC; Capricorn 22deg. His grandparents raised him. His grandfather worked all the time and his grandmother stayed at home. She has the biggest influence over him and he looks up to her and respects her more than anyone. Her ASC is Capricorn 21deg.
3)My cousin's IC; Capricorn 9 deg. Out of both of her parents she seems to be more like my uncle, and she really looks up to him. His ASC is Capricorn, 2deg.
4)My brother's IC;Capricorn 20deg. My mother raised all of us and we all have a wonderful relationship with her. My mom's moon is only 9 degrees away from his ASC and he's a big momma's boy lol, but I think my brother's biggest influence was my youngest sister. For good or bad, whatever she did stuck to him forever. Her ASC is Capricorn 13 deg.
5)My best friend's IC; Cancer. Her mother had a huge influence on her, for the worst. She's a Cancer sun and that's all I know so I can't say this is my strongest connection, but definitely worth noting.
6)My mother in law's IC; Libra. Her father has the biggest influence on her personality and state of mind. He has a Libra ASC (his was a guess but it definitely fits) plus he has a few Libra planets.
7)Other cousin's IC; Virgo. His biggest influence in my opinion, and the person that raised him the most, was his mother who is a Virgo Sun.

I am going to continue making more connections with different aspects but I noticed the IC/ASC connection came up strong and the conjunctions obviously stood out a bit more to me.

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posted September 26, 2011 07:49 AM            

Also, i like ur analysis of the emotional memories, we have. I believe there is truth to that. Energy is a very powerful force and if u r a baby inside the womb, that is ur temporary home; ur first home. The energy created thru ur stay will no doubt impact upon and create ur initial attitudes, responses and general feeling of well-being when bought into the world and ur future responses to stimuli/ environment. I feel my Mum must have had a rough time then as i always experience anxiety but my philosophical mind always tries to overcome it. I haven't really asked my Mum what her pregnancy with me was like (feel bad now) but she has sed she was gonna give me up for abortion and went to the clinic to discuss it but the doctor knew she didn't really want it and basically made her come to her own truth. I think she was already struggling with her situation, already had my sis, who was two and my Dad who was very intense and financial struggles. So i'm assuming she was going thru inner turmoil to even consider abortion in the first place. The weird thing was i was the easiest baby she had, i was quiet and good, she was always saying i was so quiet, a golden child haha and it was only until my Dads friend was playing with me that i really opened up and come out of my shell (Come to think of it, from ur analysis maybe i was timid and scared of the world from my Mums inner/ repressed anxiety in the womb.. i handle my anxiety/ worries in the same way) At night its the worst.

posted September 26, 2011 08:09 AM            

I think this can make the IC one of the most difficult things to deal with in our charts, if negative. It's hard to come to terms with feelings when you can't say for sure why you feel that way.