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Jaqueline
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posted February 02, 2003 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaqueline     Edit/Delete Message
What we see in the Devil Arcana it's the Pentagram inverted:

In this Pentagram, we can see Adam & Eve...

Well, I have a lot of stuff to post here, about the British Royal Crest...etc... yet, I'll post later...'cause I'm almost writing a thesis...I just don't know exactly about what...

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posted February 02, 2003 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A Learning Angel     Edit/Delete Message
Jakie, if you are not a professional researcher, I think you may have missed your calling! Splendid work!

From a selfish point of view, your research could not have come at a better time for me. I leave for a trip in a week and have a couple of long plane rides ahead of me. This will be perfect reading material. You did say you had more to share, didn't you?...

One observation: you mentioned a Simon de Montfort who allied with Prince Llewelyn in 1265. About 50 years earlier, a Simon de Montfort led attacks on the Cathars in South of France. Son/Father? Interesting...

Lastly, the trip I am taking in a week I have dubbed: My Knights Templar trip! Again, great timing Jakie.

All the best. A Learning Angel

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posted February 02, 2003 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
WOW!!!! Good stuff Jakie!!

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posted February 03, 2003 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A Learning Angel     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Aselzion,

Thank you for your encouranging words about my Knights Templar lexigram. I consider this lexi "my baby" as it was one of the first lexigrams I did. Have a good week...

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posted February 03, 2003 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Jakie how's it going? Thanks for the great information!

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Jaqueline
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posted February 03, 2003 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaqueline     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Angel !

No, I'm not a professional researcher... the thing is : I fall in love with a subject, and while I don't find - as in this case - a link between them, I don't allow myself to stop researching... the problem is that , among so many fascinating subjects , I finish losing myself ...and in the end, I don't get any conclusion ... yet, other times, I feel that click and as magic , all the pieces are fit !

Oscar Wilde said... " I never travel without my diary. One should always have
something sensational to read in the train ".
I am happy in could supply something that maybe is not so sensational as the diary of OW, but at least you will have something " to try to decipher " in your trip...

Simon of Montfort {Cathars} was the father of SM *junior *, indeed an interesting family...

In fact I have more material to share, but I am in doubt if I "may" post the last part...

For me, there is a strong link between the Pentagram - that is related to The Lords of Karma -/ The Templars - that are related to Freemasonry -...and this last part that is related to the Royal Family...

Anyway...I will post tomorrow...as I have no more time today... sorry !

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posted February 03, 2003 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaqueline     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Danita
Hi Quinnie

How are you gilrs

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posted February 03, 2003 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings all..

More about the inverted Pentagram: one high adept wrote, : The inverted Pentagram between the Devil's horns is the most evil of all signs of black magic. The essence of black magic is mental inversion, rooted in the belief that the Self of man is dominated by the elements composing his physical environment. Thus the inverted Pentagram is a symbol of falsehood because it is never true that Spirit can be dominated by matter."

He goes on to say: " ...there is an old saying, The Devil is God as He is misunderstood by the wicked. This means that the monstrous figure in Key 15 is a symbol of man's ignorant notions of the true nature of Reality and more especially of man's false opinions concerning his own place in the scheme of things. This ignorance is the real Devil, and because it may be overcome, those who set their feet upon the ancient Way of Liberation learn how to banish the Devil and destroy his works."

I think this will shed some much needed Light on the nature of Higher Arcana 15, The Devil.

Blessed Be...
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posted February 04, 2003 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A Learning Angel     Edit/Delete Message
Quinnie,

Aselzion's comments on the 15 Tarot card sent me back to read your earlier remarks. Well done. Between the two of you, I believe I understand my first card of the Tarot deck. I found this comment of yours especially poignant: "...one who is addicted to the spiritual and knows only this will also be bound to it." I had never realy thought about it from that perspective. Thanks for sharing.

ALA

...and, Aselzion, thank you for jump starting the thought and shedding some Light on the subject.

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posted February 04, 2003 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theFajita     Edit/Delete Message
Wow this is all so interesting

Hi Jakie

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posted February 04, 2003 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donna     Edit/Delete Message
The ancients view of the five pointed star was directly related to the synodic movement of Venus.
I posted a link a while back showing the movement of Venus in the sky and the mandala made in the path around the Sun.


The points within the pentagram represent calculations of time as the planet Venus moves within the solar system. Venus was so bright, it could be seen at night and it's points of 'rising' and 'setting' were aligned with the Sun's points during the day at certain times of the year. Knowledge of the Venus cycle enables the three main calenders to be regulary realigned and allows detailed predictions of the tides and lunar eclipses to be made. The eight-century Irish document Saltair Na Rann, which records the old oral traditions of the Irish Celts, tells of the knowledge required for leaders of the people in ancient times. Enoch was taught how to calculate the seasons using huge stones, like the ones at Stone Henge.

The pentagram was found on pottery in archaelogical digs and dates back to 3500BC in ancient Mesopotamia. It is also the Seal of Jersusalem.


One of the secrets, according to Masonic teaching, #15, the Devil, or Baphomet, who is Cronos, and Saturn who rules Capricorn, and the Unicorn. December 25 was Osiris' resurrection day and that is ruled by Capricorn. The 15, not 14 pieces of Osiris coming together to make him whole.

There is so much more in the esoteric teachings of the Knights Templars, who were involved with the Cathars in their Gnosis and Sophia beliefs. The Catholic church made them all heretics and made their beliefs to be evil, which is why the inverted pentagram has taken on that connotation. It was not so before the decrees of the church made it so. Even Eliphas Levi had no intention of making it evil, he was attempting to show a depiction of the absolute in symbolic form.
It means 'wisdom' in Greek and that is what it was intended to mean by the Templars.

If you take the Hebrew letters for the word Baphomet:

[taf] [mem] [vav] [pe] [bet]
Baphomet In Hebrew Right to Left

and use the Atbash cypher, that is substituting one letter of the Hebrew alphabet for another, for instance, A is substituted for Z and so on, when you take the Hebrew letters for Baphomet and substitue them in the cypher codex, you get:

[alef] [yud] [pe] [vav] [shin]
Results In Sophia A Greek Word Written In Hebrew Right To Left

Sophia of course, means Wisdom, and Sophia actually represents the female side of God.

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posted February 05, 2003 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Annie Kuzma     Edit/Delete Message
All I have to say is WOW!!!

I had 10 questions answered here!!! WOOHOO!

The hair on my arms are straight up!!

I have always felt a DEEP LOVE for King Arthur. Not a womanly love, but a reverent love,a christ love. Totally see myself "looking up" at/to him.

And for some reason, I knew already knew what she was writing before I read it!

Thank you so much for this string!!!

Peace and Love.....Annie

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posted February 05, 2003 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaqueline     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Aselzion... you are always sharing great information!
Yet , I have a question... Why are the symbols inverted for the use of black magic ?
For instance, in the case of the swastika , that was also inverted for the Nazis...

Donna , thanks !

Welcome Annie!

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posted February 05, 2003 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaqueline     Edit/Delete Message
While I researched on The Cathars, I found several references to a city in France -Rennes-le-Chateau- I decided then to research on this city and I found fascinating things that will post here:

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The story has three parts which, for the sake of melodrama, will be told out of order. It begins for us in the year 1885, in the small French village of Rennes-le-Chateau. Situated in the cold limestone mountains of south central France, it has been a crossroads of Europe for over 3,000 years. At one time or another, the valley has been under the domination of the Celts, Romans, Pagans, Visigoths, Cathars, Catalan bandits, and the Knights Templar; by the end of the Nineteenth Century it housed a small collection of farmhouses, a shoppe, an inn, and a church.

The priest's office in that church in 1885 had most recently been replaced by a man named Beringer Sauniere after the death of the previous deacon. Sauniere, an energetic 33-year-old former cleric, threw himself enthusiastically into his work, even taking over the duties of a nearby parish, which constituted a daily two mile hike over rock mountain roads. He became a friend of two neighboring priests, Pere Gelis of Coustaussa and Pere Boudet of Rennes-le-Bains, both much older priests. Sauniere lived quietly and modestly, as befitted his meager income as a rural priest.

Six years into his assignment, Pere Sauniere received a large bonus from the central church in Rome to make some much needed repairs on the chapel of Rennes-le-Chateau, the Church of St. Mary Magdalene, in the shadow of Mt. Cardou. That's when the thread of a massive conspiracy began to unwind.

Pere Sauniere decided to knock out several carved wooden support pillars and replace them with sturdier marble ones. Within one of those pillars lay an incredible find. Four (some say five) documents, written in Ancient Latin, hidden within a secret compartment. Two or three of those documents have disappeared in the general direction of the Vatican, but the remaining two were saved by a French law requiring all archeological works to be transcribed into the national office in Paris.

This is the point where things begin to get weird. Sauniere quietly left on a trip to Rome. He was gone for some weeks, and on his return, left almost immediately for Paris, where he visited The Louvre and received carbon copies of three very strange paintings (more on those later). He also visited Emile Hoffet, a linguist and cryptographer (someone specializing in making and breaking codes).

After his return to Rennes-le-Chateau, Pere Sauniere began spending very large sums of money on rebuilding the Church of St. Mary Magdalene, money which simply cannot be accounted for unless it was coming from an outside source. He began construction on a tower behind his home called the Tour Magdala, wandered the hills around Mt. Cardou, and spent hour pouring over the parchments.

Residents of Rennes-le-Chateau told of seeing the three priests walking through the forests, talking and often violently arguing. Pere Sauniere's behavior got even stranger. He began collecting stamps from across Europe, some very valuable and others worthless. The only common tie was that all the stamps had royal portraits. He defaced a church headstone and had a granite block marking a tomb destroyed. Strangers were reported coming and going from his house at odd hours of the night.

Then, in 1897, Pere Gelis was found in his home, his head horribly beaten in by a fire poker. Why anyone would want to violently murder a aged rural priest was never discovered, and neither was the identity of the killer. Despite a dead-end investigation, the police did record Pere Gelis' intense and volatile relationship with his neighboring priests. Pere Boudet went to his grave in 1915, ostensible of stomach cancer. Sauniere was now the last priest alive with knowledge of the mysterious secret.

All through his life, up to the week of his sudden death in January of 1917. Sauniere had continued renovations on the Church of St. Mary Magdalene. It's opulence and splendor were marred by three interesting things. As one entered the doorway, a wooden carving of a grinning Satan is visible on the left, sitting- but with no chair to rest in. The marble pulpit has a six-pointed star carved into it- long a symbol of the Jewish faith, but also revered by the Cathar and Gnostic heretics (more on them later).

Most intriguing is the Latin inscription Pere Saurniere had placed over the church entrance- TERRIBILIS EST LOCUS IST- "This place is terrible."

Sauniere spent an estimated 659,413 francs on renovating the church, building the Tour Magdala, traveling to the great libraries of Europe, and living opulently. This on a 200-franc-per-month salary. If you discount Powerball, where was he getting his money?

We may never know for sure. He died suddenly and unexpectedly in 1917 at the age of 65. His housekeeper, Mademoiselle Denarnaud, had ordered a headstone carved the week previously. Lucky guess? When a neighboring priest was called to give extreme unction (a Catholic prayer that forgives the dying of all confessed sin so that person may pass on to heaven), Sauniere gave it to him in a locked room. The priest refused to give unction, and left looking white and shaken.

After Sauniere's death, his body was dressed in ceremonial garb and propped up in a chair within the Church of Mary Magazine. A line of mysterious visitors kissed the hand of the corpse and cut tassels of the robe. Mlle. Denarnaud lived in luxury at the former home of Pere Sauniere (her annual income was estimated at 100,000 francs). In 1947, she agreed to sell the home, promising the buyer a secret that would make him powerful and wealthy beyond belief. A sudden stroke ensured that she would take that secret to her grave.

What strange and deadly secret did Pere Beringer Sauniere uncover in the hidden parchments of Rennes-le-Chateau? No one had any idea. The first parchment was a passage from the Book of John, relating a speech Jesus gave to the Apostles. The second, much longer parchment tells the story of Lazarus, the man raised from the dead by Christ. Both are dated to the 12th Century.

It is the first parchment that gives us our toe-hold on this vast web. Staggered around the writing are triangular symbols containing random letters. Various codes and patterns were applied to the parchment, but no rational information was ever gathered. Until two researchers, Paul Schellenberger and Richard Andrews realized that the answer wasn't statistic- it was geometric.

At a time when only 3% of Europeans could read, anyone with the math skills to inscribe and decipher geometry was looked upon almost as a wizard. This was the origin of the Cult of Geometry, educated men like the Freemasons passing down their techniques of measuring and rationalizing space from father to son. It was a craft of science and art, god and devil. The influence of geometry's ability to inspire awe can be seen in maps, paintings, and church art.

The researchers realized that continuing the lines off from the existing triangles spelled out the word "Sion," a term for son or heir that was often used to denote Christ, the Sion of God. Today, we spell in scion. If all the lines for SION are connected properly, they produce a strange, nine-pointed star.

Then the researchers began to look at the three paintings studied by Sauniere. Two are studies by the artist Poussin painted in c. 1618, entitled "The Shepherds of Arcadia," and "The Shepherds of Arcadia II." Both depict a group of men clustered around a large block, a tomb. In the background, the silhouette of Mt. Cardou can be seen. Carved on the block are the words ET IN ARCADIA EGO- "and in Arcadia I..." This sentence makes no sense, but if one re-arranges the letters in the message, the only other result possible is I TEGO ARCANA DEI- "Begone! I hide the secrets of God." This was the tomb destroyed by Sauniere, presumably to cover his tracks.

Then the researchers noticed that many angles in the paintings were very precise- staffs leaning against trees, and so forth. Furthermore, these angles were the precise ones found in the first Parchment. Unfortunately, the stars didn't seem to match- until Andrews noticed that the edges of the painting looked different. Tests confirmed that someone had painted an additional two inches of scene around the original paintings within the last 100 years.

Sauniere had worked with copies; the researchers were working with the original art, within The Louvre. Someone had managed to remove the paintings from their frames, paint an additional two inches around the art in a flawless imitation of Poussin's style, and slip the paintings back onto the walls. There was no financial motive; the rest of the painting was undoubtedly genuine.

With the corrected dimensions, Andrews and Schellenberger were able to expand on their star with a compass circle and an interior off-set pentagram. Turning their attention to painting number three, a portrait of Pope Celestine V, the former monk who's brief reign earned him a place in Dante's vision of Hell. The sacred geometry held true but yielded no further clues. The researchers were also able to match their findings against a dozen paintings spanning 500 years.

The researchers had already noticed that the geometric pattern they discovered fit into the area of Rennes-le-Chateau and surrounding countryside. But without knowing which arms pointed which directions, there was no way to match up the map to the graph.

Turning their attention to parchment two, the researchers noticed that every few letters on the long page were raised slightly above the line. Pulling them out in order, they spelled out a message in ancient French. That message, written in code that required half a dozen experts in ancient French culture to fully decipher, reads as follows:

Sitting in the chair vacated by the Devil look eastwards towards Col Deux Go north to 681 and turn left Head towards La Croix turn left again and follow the sun to the Espareza Church You will have completed a square.

The Devil's chair- the staring point- proved to be very tricky, until Schellenberger remembered the devil statue in St. Mary Magdalene. A devil sitting without a chair. Looking through the open door from the far side of the devil, the researchers could see a block of sandstone worn out of the cliff-worn into the shape of a chair.

After completing the square, the men found themselves on the base of Mt. Gierel's south face. It was then that they remembered Sauniere's mysterious building project- the Tour Magdala. It's name means "Tower of Lady Magdalene." From the top, the tower of St. Panteleon's Chapel was visible in the distance. The line between them ran straight through the square on the side of Mt. Gierel (opposite Mt. Cardou), also intersected by a "Rose Meridian," the central line of the sacred geometric map. Together, the two lines were a cross-hairs within a box.

Upon reaching the designated spot, the researchers found an ancient and overgrown statue of Jesus Christ with its hands broken off at the wrist. One wrist pointed off into the distance, toward Mt. Cardou. At the spot indicated by the statue Andrews and Schellenberger found a little weather-beaten cross, with strange symbols on it. Decoding the symbols reveals the inscription ARCAM DEI TANGO IESU:
"I touch the tomb of God, Jesus"

The first reaction to such a staggering bombshell is a skeptical and cautious review of the evidence. Could it all be a hoax? If so, it would undoubtedly be the most complex, expensive, and oldest hoaxes in existance. The ancient paintings and statues, Pere Sauniere's millions, the murder of Pere Gelis, all point to something deeper. Is it possible that this could all be a series of coincidences and researchers seeing what they want to see? Possible, but the sheer amount of evidence argues against it. What does this grave mean, then? The answer to that lies two thousand years in the past, in the dirtiest laundry of the Catholic Church.

One sunny Friday in 33A.D. a Jewish prophet was nailed to a hunk of wood for insisting that people should be nice to each other. Other than a passing mention in the Bible, this event is also mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls. At this point the Apostles split into two factions. Paul and Peter saw Jesus not just as the son of God, but as a part of the God head itself, the Holy Trinity. Since God could not die, he must have been resurrected. This idea was confirmed on Easter Sunday when Mary (a grief-stricken mother) saw her child rise from the grave. Peter and Paul also claimed to see this miracle.

James the Elder, on the other hand, took a more conservative view. He saw Jesus as a mortal son and prophet of God, divine in soul but mortal in flesh. A man who's teaching should be followed, but not worshipped. The Apostles split over this small but important distinction, Peter and Paul travelling to Rome and actively recruiting any and all fresh converts while James' sect remained in Jerusalem and took only educated and dedicated believers.

This led to a series of power struggles, ending with the crushing of the Church of St. James by the now-unified Catholic Church. Christianity spent the next millennium spreading out from Rome, riding the wave of Rome's collapsing empire. It wasn't until the First Crusade that a major Christian force re-entered the city of Jerusalem. Leading that charge were the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon, better known as the Knights Templar.

The Knights Templar were crucial in driving the Muslims out of Jerusalem in 1120, shortly after their formation. The Knights took up shop in the Temple of Golgotha, a large cathedral located on top of the hill that Christ died on. They began making secret excavations deep into the hill.

Around 1130, large amounts of money began to cascade in suddenly from all over Europe to support the Knights Templar, and the order grew immensely wealthy and politically powerful. Much of this cash came from royal households, who's balladeers were already beginning to write their tales of noble and pious knights questing after the Holy Grail.

Upon their return from the Holy Land, the Knights Templar settled in the region of Rennes-le-Chateau and built massive citadels to live and worship within. Their strange behavior, unorthodox beliefs, and coveted riches eventually got them branded as heretics, and the Catholic Church crushed them in 1307. What secrets did they discover beneath the soil of Golgotha?

Remaining fugitive Knights Templar joined various other secret societies, the Freemasons, the Priory, the Rosecrucians. What influences they had down the centuries is uncertain, but many of the people involved in the great secret had close connections to one group or another? The Knights Templar also influenced the Cathars and the Gnostics, two sects of Christianity with strong St. James leanings, crushed as heretics by the Catholic Church. Does anybody else see a pattern?

So what is the great secret? The truth about the death of Jesus Christ, who died on the cross, was buried, and never rose. He was taken from the simple burial cave by James, Mary Magdalene, Joseph of Arimathea, and the St. James Apostles, and buried beneath the Temple of Golgotha, where he had died. The Knights Templar found his remains, and returned with them to Rennes-le-Chateau, where they were buried, and the secret scattered into a thousand different pieces which only a very few could put together.

That would explain the Catholic Church's desperate struggle to keep the secret safe, bribing Sauniere, ordering him to destroy the clues, arranging to muddle the Louvre paintings. If the true fate of Jesus Christ were known, the house of cards that is the Catholic Church would come tumbling to the ground, taking 750 million disillusioned people with it.

Andrews goes a step farther. He believes that Christ never died on the cross at all. After fainting and lying near death, he was taken down for burial. The man supposed to bury him- Joseph of Arimathea, found a pulse and revived him. Andrews believes that Christ and Mary Magdalene, his love, slipped out of the holy land and settled in Rennes-le-Chateau. Their bloodline is that of the Merovingians, from which most of the royal houses of Europe are spawned. That would explain Sauniere's mysterious visitors and fetish for postage stamps, as well as Mary Magdalene's continual presence in the valley.

We may never know who, if anyone, is buried within the rock of Mt. Cardou. The treacherous landscape, combined with the legendary engineering skill of the Knights Templar, means that any excavations would be tremendously expensive and complex. We are left with the most obvious and best hidden clue of all- Cardou comes from two Latin words: CORPSE DEI. The Body of God.


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This link it's absolutly fantastic...
http://www.tour-magdala.com/Pages/Geometry/RLC/Pages/4RLCGeometry.html

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posted February 05, 2003 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donna     Edit/Delete Message
Jakie, ah, you have found what is the key to it all!!

Mary Magdalene!!!

Her "womb" is the Grail. She carried the DNA of the Messianic line over to the Chateau de les Rennes in her trip with Joseph of Arimathea. She settled in that area and died there at the age of 60 in 63AD.

The Cathars, Knights Templars carried this information in their symbolic forms via their teachings. It was hidden in open view. They developed the Tarot cards as pictoral forms to carry messages back and forth to each other. In the Tarot is the key to DNA, all having to do with the continuation of the bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

Mary was a healer, she is often depicted as wearing "greensleeves" which is related to the healing energy. It is said that healers emit a green ray from their hands and Mary Magdalene was supposed to have this green ray very prominent.

The sad thing about all this, the Cathars and the Knights Templars knew this information and it was the Catholic Church who didn't want this information getting out, as they had other ideas they wanted to propogate.

Regarding the Tarot cards, the gypsies in their travels picked up on the Tarot used by the Knights and took them in their travels, adopting them as their own.

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Tarot Cards were originated by the Templers as a 'secret' way to communicate with each other in the twelvth century. These cards are not for 'fortune telling', they are representative of sacred mysteries and symbols of the 'brotherhood'. The Catholic Church had them outlawed when the Templers were declared heretics.
Tarot cards also held significant emblems.(*Pope Joan featured on Tarot cards, was an Englishwoman who ruled as Pope John VIII in the 6th c, and was unmasked when she gave birth.) Joseph of Arimathea, the founder of Christianity in Britain at Glastonbury, some say to be St James the Just, brother of Jesus, and in Arthurian legend brought the Holy Grail to Britain.

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The Tarot Card and the Meaning it carried for the Templars is probably one of the best kept secrets of the dark ages and today. Take a look at the feet and legs of the 'Emperor'. Do you see a Knight hiding under the brown robe?
It is said, the Templars got the idea of using cards from the Saracens who had used picture cards since the eight century, but Templar cards were designed to have two seperate meanings, making them a safe way to transport messages and training materials without the danger of being discovered by unintended spectators. The cards were carefully painted and told the story of the Templars, but were turned into fortune telling cards by traveling bands of gypsies in later centuries.
The original suits of Wands, Cups, Pentacles and Swords had been associated with Grail Legends, representing Sword, Spear, Grail and Dish. These, it is said are connected to objects found under Herod's Temple. Josephus has described 'secret passages' under the Temple from a man called Simon bar Giora. This man was connected to soldiers ( Templars ) who took swords and spears underground with them when the battle was being lost. The sacrificial cups and dishes had been hidden below the Temple and were listed fully in the Copper Scroll found at Qumran.

The Templers designed these cards as a means of secret language after the Church banned their activities and had the Templers executed and burned at the stake. The Church then Banned the Cards, saying they were evil too.

Furthermore, Paul Foster Case and Arthur Edward Waite knew of this and incorporated this in the design of the most popular Tarot deck, the Waite/Coleman deck. Both were Freemasons, who carry on the secrets and teachings of the Templars.

They used the Kabbalah, which is another key for DNA coding and the Emerald Tablet of Hermes/Thoth.

Do you see how this is all tied in? These are things that have been right there in front of us all along, hidden, yet out in the open.

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WOW again!!
Being raised in a Catholic family, I have the deepest love and reverence for Jesus and His Holy Mother Mary.
I never felt right in and around the Chuch.I felt like I couldn't believe everything they were selling.
I didn't get my devotion to Christ from them, I got it from my Daddy.
Christ was born and lived as a man, why wouldn't he DIE like one.
It was just his vehicle.I always pictured him as a father, he would have had to experience that kind of Love here on Earth. He was representing HIS Father.
The Bible accounts are different from gospel to gospel,and Mary Magdalen was special like no other to HIM.
Also, wasn't James HIS real Brother? Wouldn't he know the real story???

Jesus came down and did his work on Earth, HE said HE was the Light, and HE protects us and answers our prayers through HIS white light everyday!!
HE is the WORD of GOD,HE left us his name. Because our name is all we have on and off this EARTH.

My beautiful Daddy died this past Christmas Eve. I was with him, holding his hand and stroking his hair. Two very bright lights shone in his eyes as he stared at the corner of the room. I asked him if it was the White Light of CHRIST coming for him, and he nodded, yes. I asked him if everyone was there waiting for him, and he nodded again, yes.I told him to go and be at peace, and he died.
Ever since then I have been pushed into getting back what I am here for and it lead me to this site.
Thank you for your words and for bringing me back home.

Daddy always said,"keep you religion simple, and your faith deep".

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posted February 05, 2003 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Jakie Thanks wow the info is great, so much is linking this all together.
I haven't got into the links yet, will do that next, but I just wanted to say something about your Hitler question and the inverted swastika.
Hitler during his time of living on the streets in desolation, took up an interest and deep study of the Occult.
He also was rumoured to have had a spiritual mentor linked to the 'Blood Lodge of Guidgo Von Liszt'.
What brought them together though was Hitler's interest in the 'Spear of Destiny' said to be the spear that wounded Christ during the crucifixtion. The spear was a talisman, and had extraordinary powers; that the person who possessed the Spear would have the power to conquer and control the world.
but in losing the Spear it would bring him immediate death.
It had been owned by a succession of powerful European leaders down through the centuries.
Hitler told his spiritual mentor that when he first saw the spear he saw the visions of his destiny before him, and in 1936 he finally got hold of the Spear and came into eventual power.
It was also said that in the few days before the end of the war2 the spear fell into the hands of the American 7th army under General Patton. Later that day Hitler committed suicide!!!
Wow So that could mean that somewhere in America the Spear is now!

Hitler's connection runs into your story now as one of the sacred treasures of the Rennes Le Chateau is the Spear of Destiny.

The inverted symbols therefore show that the Nazis were carrying out the power-control of Hitler's Satanic power, meaning being that the power of Christ was used for one's own purpose and not for the purpose of Humanity...hence, inverted power.

One thing to note also is Hitler's obsession with purity and the pure race.

All this is said to be symbolised in some way in Picasso's previously unknown masterpeice I can't do links but if you do a search for 'Picasso's unknown masterpeice', the Picasso Conspiracy website you'll get more info on this.
I'm gonna check out your links now.
Love Cat from Belfast

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posted February 05, 2003 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Donna in Rudolph Syeiner's book, he said that the planets of Mercury and Venus are mixed up, that Mercury is the planet closer to Earth and Venus is the closest to the Sun. Do u see any truth in this and is it worth reseaching more?

That would put Earth in between Mercury,
( thought communication) and Mars, ( action and deed) and with Christ this would then connect us to the creative Logos.

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posted February 05, 2003 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donna     Edit/Delete Message

Annie, you father sounds like he was a very special person.

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the Cathars, a Medieval French gnostic sect that lived in the Valley of Rennes, who were nearly exterminated by Catholic soldiers and the Church during the 13th Century. It is through the Cathars that gnostic wisdom was handed down to the Knights Templar

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a connection between the myths and legends associated with the Valley of Rennes and the ancient gods and goddesses of Egypt, but also a connection to Jesus, Mary Magdelene, and the Virgin Mary. Aspects of this mystery were preserved first by the Druids, then by the Cathars or Gnostics, the Knights Templar, and today by the Freemasons, despite attempts by the Roman Catholic Church

http://bcornet2.homestead.com/files/esoRenne.htm

Quinnie, isn't it interesting that Hitler called his group "Nazi", perhaps a code for Nazirene? He wanted the perfect race, with the perfect DNA, which is the part of Grail quest. I have to research the Mercury/Venus thing, I have to admit I haven't read much Steiner. I do know that the path of Mercury creates a mandala in the sky, a triangle, I think, I'll have to check my notes.

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posted February 05, 2003 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donna     Edit/Delete Message
Quinnie,

I did a quick check of my notes, Mercury does make a circular orbit which provides a triangle in the center--check this link
http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/articles/articlemercvenus.htm

Also, I don't quite understand how Mercury and Venus can be mixed up? I mean, if one checks any planetarium on astronomy, you will see the exact orbits of Mercury and Venus around the Sun and the Earth's relation to each planet. Unless, Steiner means the planets were mis-named? I guess I better get some Steiner to read.

Jakie, I have to tell you, I have such a deep feeling of connection to Mary Magdalene. My birthday is July 22, her Feast day. I just know somehow, in a past life, I was with her. Joseph of Arimathea was a merchant who sold jasmine oil. I have loved the scent of jasmine since I was a child and it gives me such a feeling of deja vu when I sniff it. I remember smelling it as a small child and the feelings overwhelmed me that it brought on. I took French in high school and was told not to because I was getting a "D" in English (I hated diagramming sentences ) Anyway, I got straight "A's" in French, I loved the language!!

No, No, I do not think I was Mary Magdalene in a past life.

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posted February 05, 2003 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaqueline     Edit/Delete Message
Donna, that's what I thought too...Mary Magdalene was the key and the Cathars and the Knights Templars knew this information !

I didn't know about the connection of the Tarot Cards.....THANKS ! I'll check the site that you've posted !

Annie, I'm so glad that you are among us ! And I believe that your father was a wise man !

Quinnie, I had already read that Hitler had, or he thought to have the piece of the lance that killed Jesus and that he considered his amulet...yet, was it the real one ?
I'll check this site about Picasso also ! Thanks !

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posted February 05, 2003 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jaqueline     Edit/Delete Message
When I began this research, I knew, for some intuition , that the key was in the Pentagram... where it would take me I didn't know, but a voice said in my ear: Follow the Pentagram !
I did it !

Why Sauniere's build the mysterious building Tour Magdala ? Because this was her name: Mary from Magdala or Mary Magdalene...

This is one of the paintings that Sauniere studied:"ET IN ARCADIA EGO " or "The Arcadian shepherds", by Nicolas Poussin



It is possible to notice that one of the shepherds are looking at Mary Magdalene and expecting her approval, or a confirmation if this is the right place...Also, it is possible to notice that the shadow of the shepherd's arm that is of knees, forms not exactly the shadow of his arm , but a symbol... am I traveling to far here ?
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The Pentagram in the Poussin painting:



The yellow line indicates overlap between the two geometries.
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The Hexagram in the Poussin painting:
Here the hexagram was constructed, using the apparent center of the tomb the its center.

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Combining the Geometries:
Red lines are the pentagram, black the hexagram, blue lines of sight/staves, yellow " control lines ".


Love
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posted February 05, 2003 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Donna     Edit/Delete Message
Jakie, you are right on track!!!!

The best place to hide something is in plain view.

Now, that painting is very interesting because of the date on a document referring to PAX 681. Everyone believed it to mean the date, but it is acutally a geometric code. Here, check this link--
http://bcornet2.homestead.com/files/eso681.htm

This is just a short page, but it will explain further, how, even though, the geometric angles in the pics you posted are important, the PAX 681 is the key to it all.

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