posted June 24, 2006 05:40 AM              

Please believe, this WILL NOT happen again and yes I do understand that you are hurt cos one of yer friends have been hurt, sure I do.

Yes I understand, and am sure it will not happen again...

We are all learning arent we....

Wouldnt it be nice if everyone could get along, at least for some of the time....

Peace to you.

posted June 24, 2006 05:41 AM              

I will always try to help my friends....and anyone else that asks for it...if i can....

posted June 24, 2006 05:49 AM              

but i believe you when you say youll do what you can

posted June 24, 2006 05:56 AM              

Thanks for believing.....its all we can do isnt it...believe and have faith...

Ok I will rephrase my words.....I HOPE AND PRAY it doesnt happen again....

If we think it, we can do it......(I hope).

posted June 24, 2006 05:56 AM              

try and drop the whole lotusheart issue....

posted June 24, 2006 06:19 AM              

Maybe you didnt notice.....I dont have any contact with Lotus....she knows this....I did in the past, but found it better to not communicate with her as it didnt seem right for me somehow!

So maybe you are mixing me up with others?

posted June 24, 2006 07:16 AM              

off to work. ...

posted June 24, 2006 09:27 AM            

followed by a request to let me in on what you were trying to say. I mean, I'm not going blind or senile, I don't think. I see that all quite clearly myself. I do believe we're still allowed to have first impressions and then ask for clarifications instead of just assuming our first impressions are right and then calling people x, y or z ...

But, yeah, thanks for clarifying. Although I don't really see how anyone here has "sacrifice[d] something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle" ... except for maybe Tink, who let go of a common (and admired by many) need to berate or belittle someone who severely insulted her and instead chose to accept his apology and has, for the most part, kept out of this mess ... and perhaps pidaua who risked acceptance (which to most people is of great value) here by following her own sense of integrity and posting something so clearly controversial and, to many, hurtful, and then challenging it openly. And yet I don't see them calling themselves martyrs. Seems to be a bit of honor and integrity there to me.

I've no idea what fayte said since it's no longer there, I don't think.

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Mirandee

I guess I just don't find hyperbolic statements that incorporate religiously discriminating travesties amusing, either.

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In case anyone is still reading ... since I brought up the issue of forgiveness, here are some relevant words from "The Healing Runes" by Blum and Loughan.

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A life in transition draws upon Forgiveness in order to make peace with the past. Receiving this Rune, you are asked to consider: Who is it that calls out to you for Forgiveness? To whom do you call out?
To all of you who find the courage in your heart to forgive those who betrayed you, this Rune brings a blessing.
Forgiving someone who hurt you, and making amends-these are two faces of Forgiveness. There is a third face as well: Consider whether receiving this Rune, at this moment, may be an invitation to extend Forgiveness to yourself.
Drawing the Rune of Forgiveness is an opportunity to consider the situations in your life where you have been thoughtless, unkind or mean-spirited. What can you do to make amends? Do you need to write a letter, sit face to face, or simply speak openly to that person, ask their Forgiveness and give them your blessing?
It has been said that to cling to resentment is to harbor a thief in your heart. For resentment robs you of your energy, your strength, your peace of mind and, ultimately, your ability to heal. It is not part of our nature to withold Forgiveness.
And yet, to those of you for whom Forgiveness is impossible, this Rune brings a double blessing: one for the courage it took to close the door on the past; another for your willingness to go on and live your life.
There is one more blessing in this Rune. It is for those who have the courage to brave the fearsome seas of anger and rage and, in time, arrive upon Forgiveness' safe shore.
Take this moment, the Rune of Forgiveness counsels, to begin cleaning out the old. And if you have already begun, be gentle with yourself, it takes time to release the past.
Let it be said this way: As I cultivate my own nature, all else follows.
This Rune would be incomplete without an image of Forgiveness as the scales upon which our lives are balanced: Joy in forgiving, and joy at being forgiven, hang level in the balances of love.

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Please excuse any typos as I've been playing with my rambunctious one year old who enjoys smacking the keyboard while I type.

posted June 24, 2006 09:59 AM            

Thanks for posting that very relevant (Gebo ??) interp.....

posted June 24, 2006 10:50 AM              

Possibly he is a good example of the gap in perception we seem to be experiencing.

I know several of us - all non-KS folk - thought he was a complete ass, a troublemaker through and through and basically full of sh!t.

versus ...

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He is funny, brilliant and very good-hearted.
A pleasure always.

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He had such a great sense of humor, and everything. Definetly a good guy.

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the above from Johnny and Lia, both of whom were KS members.

My point is not to argue the merits of peajie. I just thought it was a good illustration of the different perspectives we seem to have. And the hopelessness of it too. I don't believe I could ever convince KS that pinky was a lost and confused fraud, neither do I think you could convince me he was a great guy. I could say that the very fact that pink fairy insisted he wasn't peajie shows a clear degree of dishonesty ... but it probably wouldn't make a difference.

As for where he is ... maybe another 6 year meditation run?

posted June 24, 2006 11:07 AM              

I Never said I or anyone else was a marytr. I was trying to clarify why I wouldn't. And what I said about 2 was "I would TRY for it certainly." Try. Because honorability is immensly important to me.

Things are not as they always appear. Forgiveness of a bad deed, for having seen so much more good from someone, is much different than condoning. The most frustrating thing about this mess is all of the all or nothing, this or that kind of thinking and conclusions that have been made. Human nature as it is, I guess. I always hope to look into the more subtle grays inbetween. Only there is most usually where balance and understanding will be found and a clearer picture as well.

Hope pixie's post will be kept in mind today.

posted June 24, 2006 11:35 AM              

: Oh salome , thats a great point ! very logical one , i appreciate mainly bcos i see it as genuine question rather than simple bashing !

very honestly , there were people who did that .
i understand our "wrong" there . thanks for pointing .

Some do not understand how some KS people stand behind some of the foulest trashers and pretend there was nothing exclusionary about the site.

:: pid, do you really think , you should be the one to ask that question ?

posted June 24, 2006 12:04 PM              

What a BIG "Coincidence"!

posted June 24, 2006 12:46 PM              

So should anything said in confidence....

Betrayal of trust on a public forum is wrong....

We all know that....

Respect privacy at all times ladies and gents..

Or if not it may come back at you........

posted June 24, 2006 01:17 PM            

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Having said this I am going back to posting at Conscious Evolution where this kind of thing is not tolerated due to it being a true spiritual Linda Goodman site and even though we have our disagreements at times there is no name calling and threads like this would have been deleted.

The difference between CE and LL is like day and night. Jwhop was booted off that site for name calling and personal attacks after many, many warnings and chances to clean up his act. While I see that is what Randall says on his sign-up page of LL is the policy here it is not what he practices as an administrator. Nor is it what many of the people here practice.

There are many good people at LL that I will miss but this all just waaay too negative for anyone to take on a daily basis....Mirandee

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Yes Mirandee, as you point out, I was banned from Conscious Evolution...as I mentioned HERE in a past post.

Now, I see you're scuttling back to CE to be among your little coven of antiwar protesters and enablers.

There are a lot of people who read these threads who may or may not be members and never say much, if anything.

Just to set the record straight Mirandee:

At one time, the CE site was a large, vibrant Linda Goodman site with a very large membership and lots of people joining in, similar to LindaLand now. I seldom...in those days visited the World Community forum and in fact, that forum was an add on. In those days I was found all over the other forums in lighthearted conversation and some nonsense fun...especially Lovers Garden.

Then, the World Community forum was opened and things began to change as the looming war and other political issues began to be discussed there.

Then, you and your little group of belittlers of George Bush and the United States showed up and began to attack....not the policies of George Bush on their merits but attacks on the very essence of the man, his spiritual nature and attributes you could not possibly have a clue about.

You did this behind a phony mask of spiritual enlightenment and compassion but those who truly are spiritually enlightened and compassionate would never participate in attacking the spiritual nature of another.

Long story short:

Within a year or so, you and your leftist friends had destroyed the entire CE site. People just stopped coming to CE or stopped posting there. You and your friends made reasonable people want to throw up.

I know this is true because after I was banned for opposing your constant attacks on George Bush...the man, after I had asked you..and others several times to keep the personalities out of comments and stick to policy issues which could be discussed rationally, reasonably and logically, which you and your friends ignored....after I was banned, I went back and had a look around, several times.

The posts on the entire CE site were down to about 20 or less...in a whole day.

Now Mirandee, you could try to lay that off on me...but I was gone and the posts there were very far into the dungeon well after I left and so far as I know, they still are and it's been several years now.

So Mirandee, you show up here and attempt to do the same thing to LindaLand you and your leftist friends did to CE and it didn't work. Here, your constant lying attacks against the President and the United States are opposed in exactly the same vein you attack...and you're oh so hurt, oh so disappointed, oh so morally outraged.

Save it for the tourists and enjoy CE. You and your antiwar leftist, assumed morally and assumed spiritually superior friends helped make CE what it is today. An irrelevant and all but dead site. For one, I'm glad your quest to do the same for LindaLand failed.

I am however, sorry you and others there took Greg's site down the tubes. I liked Greg, no matter our political differences. At least Greg could and did articulate reasons for his positions...unlike you and your destructive wrecking crew.

Your problem Mirandee and others on the left, is that you cannot participate in any real exchange of ideas. You think calling the President a liar and a thief IS debate and discussion and anyone who calls you on it must be shut up one way or another.

posted June 24, 2006 01:21 PM            

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Those pipers Ozone spoke about. That one is an easy call to make. But you guys figure it out.

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What do you mean Fayte?

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And Ozone...you and another here were saying certain things in your posts that were oddly "Word for Word" confessions made to me in private e-mails and part of the good advice I gave back.

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I've never ever had your e-mail address, so what are you talking about?

posted June 24, 2006 01:49 PM              

peajie stopped posting here almost precisely when kindred spirits was formed....
he joined your group over there as "rainbowdancer"
a couple weeks later pinkfairy "appeared" at LL, mocking lotushearts posting style and acting very....well..... strange.....

rainbow dancer apparently left kindred spirits at the very same time pinkfairy dissappeared from LL

besides all that, magus identified him very clearly over at ks.....using all three of his usernames at once........

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Verbatums Symphony

Joined: 10 Dec 2005
Posts: 479
Location: Former land of liberty

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:45 pm

Again thank you for the details of what Id like to get acrost

PeaijePinkDancer my remarkable and learned freind-

You are very right about the broken glass as well I believe,,,

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posted June 24, 2006 02:42 PM              

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I want to believe that, hon.....

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Then why dont you? I dont say things I dont mean.

For some reason I am not able to get caught up in all of this. I guess since I didnt read any of the threads on KS it's not effecting me so much. I havent even really read the threads here. I cant. It's like loud static to my head and Ive only been able to skim over them.

I'm sorry it's effected you the way it has. I DO understand. I've also been strongly effected by similar things that have gone on here at LL in the past. This time it's not happening.

Sorry, if my cheerfulness annoys some. I'm just at a good place in life right now and am seeing this all from a detached perspective. I cant allow this kind of thing to bother me anymore.

I really do still see all of my friends here in the same light as I did before. This place is full of Great souls and we're all learning alot from one another.

This too shall pass.

posted June 24, 2006 02:49 PM            

Have a wonderful weekend!

posted June 24, 2006 02:55 PM              

your cheerfulness is an incredibly annoying example.....=P

posted June 24, 2006 03:41 PM            

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Who should I believe?
Ozone no you do not have my e-mail.
But certain ones do.
Have fun people.

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Well if your trying to insinuate something here Fayte, then why don't you just come out with it?

Otherwise, believe me when I tell you that nobody around here speaks or writes to me from outside of this website, except for maybe three and one of them isn't even a member here anymore.

The subject about you has never come up any way, shape or form.