posted February 28, 2007 12:06 PM            

Let's see some proof the British established the caste system of India cancerrg.

posted February 28, 2007 01:32 PM            

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Let's see some proof the British established the caste system of India cancerrg.

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Ummm I don't think he said that the British started the Indian Class system but he probably meant that they are the reason that it is soooo rigid today. Another Indian has said the same thing so I don't think he pulled this out of his butt. It might not be too far from truth either: stranger (disgusting) things have happened during the Colonial period due to "politics" (Do you really want to know how the Rwandan genocide evolved?). But not that you would understand.

posted February 28, 2007 01:54 PM            

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the caste has its origin not from manusmirti but english rule . unbeliveable huh..cancerrg

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History of Ancient Indian Conquest
Told in Modern Genes, Experts Say

By Robert Cooke, Newsday
San Francisco Chronicle, 26 May, 1999

Like an indelible signature enduring through a hundred generations, genes that entered India when conquering hordes swooped down from the north thousands of years ago are still there, and remain entrenched at the top of the caste system, scientists report. Analyses of the male Y chromosome, plus genes hidden in small cellular bodies called mitochondria, show that today's genetic patterns agree with accounts of ancient Indo-European warriors' conquering the Indian subcontinent.

posted February 28, 2007 07:32 PM            

Anyways, here's an excerpt of another article:

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The Hindu caste system first came in contact with the European world with the advent of colonial rule in the subcontinent. Instead of enlightenment from the modern thought processes of the western races the pernicious system was further aggravated in collusion with the racist systems of the colonial rulers. It was utilized by the white rulers to keep the natives in their places and to enhance their own superiority. Hindus of higher castes were utilized by the rulers to further their own aims of governance and this gave indulgence to an already highly discriminatory system under which the lower castes and the untouchables, those outside the pale of society, were much oppressed.

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There are severe laws in India forbidding damaging and insulting discrimination according to castes and the government actively follows a policy of positive discrimination for the socio-economic upliftment of the erstwhile lower castes.

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http://www.suite101.com/lesson.cfm/19490/3026/2

posted March 01, 2007 05:31 AM            

I thought it was ironic that you made misconstrued allegations of racism when your own words could just as easily be misconstrued as racism. I wouldn't be laughing if I seriously believed either you or jwhop to be racists.
Is that clear enough? Do I need an interpretor around here? Perhaps a knowflake around here that alot of you agree with regularly would be kind enough to post my words for me. I highly doubt then that they would be twisted and/or misunderstood nearly as often.

posted March 01, 2007 11:25 AM              

:::let me give you a very simple example , there is caste in northern india named as 'BHUMIHAR' that literally means(bhumi-land , har -capture )land capturer .
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:::the caste has its origin not from manusmirti but english rule . unbeliveable huh..... but thats the bitter sweet fact that some of my country men dont want to admit .
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I SAID OF THIS PARTICULAR CASTE NOT THE WHOLE SYSTEM .

this caste was created bcos of two reasons ,

the british were basically traders and to deal in the lucrative business they needed to own the land (as india was basically agro based economy -the spice trade that actually brought them here , thats also the reason british made the calcutta as their headquarters initially ) and india already had several landowners(with small kingdoms) which ofcourse wouldn't have favoured the british .

so very tactially , british started giving prominece to certain people (who would rather favour them unlike the landlords )
giving them the name- bhumihars .

these people were given prominence serving the interests of both .
who were TURNED the 'BHUHIMAR' cos these people got something that they never could have otherwise (again cos of the rigid caste system) with the blessings of british with ultra modern money and military power .

and it served the british too , cos this way they got a foothold in a society that wouldn't have let them in (again cos of the rigid caste system ) unless they got assimilted compltely into it which british ,ofcourse never wanted to .(they are the only invaders who never settled in here , though there is a community called 'angloindians '-basically the childrens but not the true british)

got the point !
better read the sentences properly rather than again and again showing your incompetency of posting logically .(btw, you are better off starting threads , dont try posting answers , ok . why take the pain ! )

UNDERSTND IF YOU CAN AND IF YOU CAN'T , DONT WORRY , I NOW FOR SURE KNOW YOUR INTEELECTUAL CAPABILITIES AND THE TRUE MOTIVE BEHIND THESE THREADS .

posted March 01, 2007 11:57 AM              

your information......dont make me laugh .hahahahahahah.........

:::Of course not, just RG said he never met one so I said i actually have:::

i said 'on this forum' , not the country .
Reread plz!

:::Yeah, I was trying to think of the name of that place. There are Indians in my country originally from that area who are fluent in Portguese....better than I am:::

infact , there are quite a few people who have served in the french navy( goa had french occupation too ) for decades , it was a tradition there, which is fast dying .

:::you better check out your facts .
Hinduism is the only religion which doesn't have written code of conduct .
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I said nothing about a code of conduct
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I believe AL explained it to my satisfaction.

and btw, AL - good to know about you .
yep, IIT are pretty costly to non residents otherwise it costs peanuts comparetively .

::::Yea your right they never reached us. The fact that I saw 9/11 happen from my high school building (i was in 9th grade and not too far) and saw the whole thing and how my city felt about it...but ur right nothing ever reaches us in the far untoucheable U.S.
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but the point is , the word terrorism came in your dictionary only after 9/11 . didn't it ?

it never matterd , if the same people (or thier ulk ) go on spilling the thrid world blood .

we saw that 9/11 , way back in '93 and earlier.
but ofcourse the responsibles were the great american allys unless ofcourse .......

i know the common defences , we got it back cos of kashmir , right !
its same as saying all the western world mistreated the muslims forcing them to do a '9/11' or LONDON .

but you and i both know , how logical is that refrain . isn't it !

posted March 01, 2007 01:00 PM              

says, as I said, that you cannot associate with Dalits. ...it is not allowed

I tried to say that, and you guys said it wasn't true???

posted March 01, 2007 04:26 PM              

it's a simple question

these newly elected officials
are from the discarded sub-human
group?

posted March 01, 2007 10:57 PM            

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but the point is , the word terrorism came in your dictionary only after 9/11 . didn't it ?

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Don't assume whats in my dictionary...i come from Ukraine and lived in the Soviet Union. Russian journalists are kidnapped all the time by Chechnyan terrorists and there are many such attacks. Plus I watched Israeli news since I was 3...so believe me im more familiar with that word than u think

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let me for once know , how AL-QAEDA got created .

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A bunch of stuck up power hungry b***** decided to get together and try to impose their superiority complex on others. And don't think I mean the U.S. either. Don't bother telling me that those poor "freedom fighters" aren't in it for power, fame and recognition.

posted March 01, 2007 11:09 PM              

As Cancerrg pointed out in a previous post, India's PRESIDENT from 1997 - 2002, K.R. Narayanan, was from the dalit community. There are many others who hold government positions as well, just as there are many bramhins, kshatriyas, vaishyas, etc. who also hold the same. As has been repeatedly stated, and will be collaborated by any research you care to actually conduct, India has done much to break down caste barriers since its independence. Additionally, it has succeeded in doing so to a very large measure. There is room for improvement. There always is. Yet you seem to keep ignoring what other myself and others have posted on here in this regard. If you want to hold on to some warped notion of what is going on in India or elsewhere, go right ahead. It's your business. Don't let reality stop you.

posted March 01, 2007 11:14 PM              

I am glad to hear what you say,
but I still have one more question...

is it okay to be friends with the Dalits...
or is that still punished today?

I am asking sincerely
please do not twist my intentions...

posted March 01, 2007 11:28 PM              

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just as there are caucasian families here that could not ever think of marrying or associating with african americans or any other minority group, there are people in India who would not want to associate with so called lower classes. And this goes both ways (some people would not want to associate with others from ostensibly higher classes). Prejudice is an ugly thing, but it does not exist solely in one society or another. It is prevalent everywhere. These barriers in India are breaking down very quickly- in fact, much faster than the historical racial barriers in the US. There is nothing, no association between people, that is not allowed...

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posted March 01, 2007 11:49 PM              

it all says that if you associate with
a Dalit, you will be punished...

so this is wrong, I see, I understand...

you say this does not happen today, and
neither does their mistreatment?

Right?

posted March 02, 2007 12:01 AM              

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is it okay to be friends with the Dalits...
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In urban areas and most villages the old concepts of a rigid caste system and untouchability no longer exist, though most Indians still voluntarily hold on to their caste origins, which is intended to reflect that their ancestors belonged to their castes with a sense of pride in the duties and responsibilities as required by the caste rules. In matrimonial matters, whether the wed couple is Dalit or non-Dalit, caste identity is a practical near-must. This is, however, ignored by inter-caste couples, who marry ignoring castes but due to an attraction on the basis of education or economic status, of either or both members of the couple.

posted March 02, 2007 12:05 AM              

and that is wonderful!

great work!