posted May 10, 2007 06:50 AM            

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He is just probably heavily involved in working to get Republicans elected in Nov.

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Yeah, does he work with gov't? Even though I do think he's a bit of a fanatic, he seems to know his stuff. Much like my grandfather who used to work with gov't (in both Mozambique and Zambia at two points) and knows everything there is to know about virtually every gov't from his day.

posted May 10, 2007 08:26 AM            

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I'll agree that there have been much fewer posts/topics and that jwhop's absence is always noticed.

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It's heartwarming to see this thread has taken, imo, a nice turn all around.

posted May 10, 2007 09:38 AM            

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It is proper form to put a thread addressing a specific poster in the forum that they frequent the most. It has been done ever since I came to this website and before GU was ever created.

Locking it and moving it to please one or two people is absurd. We would then have to close many other threads on other forums to comply with your request.

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True which is why I would question as to why make this thread here in the first place. Look, I am all for spreading peace, love and joy but sometimes.... people just take it a tad bit overboard. Comeon people; We have all moved on from our highschool days. Has online Etiquette taken a drastic turn for the worse these days?

You, Elenore, and a few others however always take the innitiative to try to be a bit more objective with your posts and its much appreciated actually. However, I have seen quite a lot of small communities taken a drastic downhill turn when it comes to self-moderation.

As for Jwhop, I frankly don't care why he is so agressive (It could be sexual frustration for all I know Lol! I joke.) Atleast he makes his points crytal clear and supported with sources. End of. There is always the option of ignoring what he writes if you don't like it people.

posted May 10, 2007 11:23 AM              

Anyways, get back here and sign in this thread Jwhop. Hope all is well with you.

posted May 10, 2007 12:50 PM              

I know that you feel that way. I have always known that you are not the type to hold grudges so even when you and Ginny clashed here at GU I knew that about both of you.

I think Ginny reached out to you the day she died and that was her way of saying good-bye. Ginny did that in so many ways to so many people. She did it in an astounding way with me and Lisa and that hummingbird still remains unchanged on Brody's picture. I treasure it.

When it happened I just knew that Ginny left that mark behind for everyone. Ginny was like that with people. She was not a perfect person but she had, still has, a beautiful soul. With all the water in her chart she could not help but be passionate and emotional in her way of expressing herself. We didn't always agree on things but I admired her dedication to her beliefs. Knew it was because she cared so much about the world and all people.

Ginny's death did effect me very much. I miss her so much and yet, she is still so very present with us. What you said about building bridges with people, Pid is so very true of her and I think that she is still doing that.

Ginny's death changed my perspectives in so many ways. It made me much more aware of how very short time is and how much we take things for granted. It made me more aware of what life is really about. So now I get up and bless each day no matter what happens that day because I am still alive to enjoy it.

Ginny knows, Pid. Even if you didn't get a chance to say it to her while she was still with us. She knows. So don't feel bad. (((HUGS)))

I know that Ginny, in spite of how it may have appeared on the threads here, loved sparring with you. I truly think you guys challenged each other to think beyond your views.

posted May 10, 2007 01:07 PM            

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Has it come down to the fact that he may just believe in what he says more than you guys do in yours?

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posted May 10, 2007 01:07 PM              

I would have told you this before about how Ginny felt over your words on her Get Well thread, Pid but my memory is not as good as it used to be and I forget things. Chasing a 2 year old around all day also aids in distracting me. But I'm sorry I didn't mention it to you.

A little antidote about Ginny. Even when she was suffering Ginny complained that she couldn't be moved for two days from the place she was in at the time to Grand Rapids due to Gerald Ford's memorial services and internment that had the roads blocked off. She said, " Wouldn't you just know that even now it's a damn Republican messing things up!" LOL

You're a beautiful soul too, Pid and a strong, remarkable woman. LL is loaded with those types of women it seems. We may never agree politically but that doesn't matter in the big picture of life.

What we need to remember here at GU, myself included, is that both sides of the political spectrum are equally dedicated to what they believe and we all want what we feel is best for our country and the world. If that were not the case we wouldn't be discussing it here. We need to try harder to look beyond how people express themselves, we are all different that way, and listen harder to what the other person is trying to say.

The one thing about Mr. Jwhop that bothers me the most is his unrelenting tendency to label and box everyone who disagrees with his political views. It's hard to communicate with him for that reason. He doesn't allow others the freedom of movement and expression that he seems to value for himself. He immediately puts people on the defensive which gets them off center. That's not productive.

For that reason I do agree with what AG, BR, Moonchild, DL and some others have said here about his tactics in discussions. I think we all know this. Jwhop, and he is not alone in that respect, needs to work on his communication skills more and what he is attempting to say might be better received and heard.

In all fairness to AG ( and I am not just saying it because I like him and he leans to the left but because it is true) has always been one of the most mild mannered and less attacking person here at GU. He may have gotten angry more than once but he tempers his speech and I don't recall him ever calling anyone names or attacking them personally.

Thank you for what you said about honesty in speech, Moonchild. Something I am still learning. Honesty should be tempered to take into consideration the feelings of the other person. "Say what you mean, but don't say it mean."

Peace and Love to you all. Sorry, this is long again. STILL haven't discovered the knack of speaking in sound bites.

posted May 10, 2007 01:46 PM              

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He has his ideals, you have yours. Has it come down to the fact that he may just believe in what he says more than you guys do in yours?

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Yeah, everyone have their own ideals and belief's but when we participate in an online open community there are certain set of respect that we need to keep, so that we don't stick down our views down someone else's throats and disrupt the community as a whole.

posted May 10, 2007 01:57 PM            

It's easy to be more objective when you're not actually really involved in the argument, and have no real emotional stake in it. Posters like Eleanore, Trillian, and Juniperb come down off their lofty clouds and offer us mere mortals their oh so sage advice. And we best heed it.

I'm not saying that their posts aren't wise and good, but if you're not really involved that intimately with what's going on its easy to offer objective advice from a macroscopic perspective.

posted May 10, 2007 03:16 PM            

Blueromer:

So just because a person happens to take a more objective side, he/she automatically is labled a Elenore kissup? Can you see how ridiculous that sounds? Yes they keep themselves objective even WHEN they are personally involved and that amigo requires guts AND brains.

Its what keeps an argument as an argument and not an all out flame war. End of.

And try to keep this thread civil...

posted May 10, 2007 03:20 PM            

I have deleted 1 (one) post period and that was acoustics.
You have been most vocal in your accuasations to me lotus, accusing me of deleting posts in forums that I do not moderate.
Are you the only one that does not know,
I can not do that?

I have apologized, not only to acoustic, but to all knowflakes, as well as to Randall.
It was a regretable mistake and not one I am likely to repeat.

posted May 10, 2007 03:25 PM              

Lalalinda, grow up, you act as if you're in high school!

posted May 10, 2007 03:28 PM              

No one asks about Randall when he doesn't post because he never was a real frequent poster on the most part. He's too busy keeping the site up and running along with his offline life. We just know he is around. Otherwise the site wouldn't be running. lol

I don't know Eleanore or Trillian as well as I know Juni but from what I know of Juni she does not see herself higher than others and she is by nature mild mannered. I think for that reason her intentions are good and only meant to bring us back to the spiritual and what is really important. She has slapped me on the wrist here before and that's okay. I probably needed to hear it.

I wouldn't say that Eleanore doesn't have an emotional stake here either. She posts here very frequently and is involved in the discussions.

However, I hear what you are saying, BR and it does at times maybe come off the way you stated it does. Being honest here, I have to admit having gotten the same impression at times myself. Others here at LL do that too. I am sure that at times I may come off to people like that too but my intentions are usually based on my own principals and value system so I take it that is the case with others as well.

posted May 10, 2007 03:36 PM            

Thank you for your words. It meant everything to me

Lotus,

What is wrong with you? You are really reaching here with your outlandish accusations. I've been here long enough to know who is who. Lalalinda, jwhop, Randall and juniperb are not in some kind of secret society hell bent on causing problems here or anywhere else.

I personally know and have had off LL conversations with Lalalinda. She is an openminded caring person that cares for her family. There isn't anything she wouldn't do to help someone.

Randall comes and goes because he has many other things on his plate, which is why he has moderators.

Juni is one of the purest people we have here. She says what she means and never says anything derogatory.

Jwhop- what you see is what you get. He makes no apologies for his actions. He is who he is, which I for one, admire because he doesn't hide behind some false enlightenment BS.

I think it is offensive and disgraceful to start pulling "What would Linda" think when you yourself do not know her nor can you represent her.

ALL of us are guilty to some degree of making outlandish comment. I have read some of yours and I am guilty of my own.

This thread has taken a turn for the ugly. It seemed that we were making progress but instead some still need to keep pouring gasoline on the fire.

Xodian,

I get ya