posted August 30, 2005 11:00 PM         

You do have good intentions. When I read your posts, it did touch upon the most best part of the prayer and that is God loves intimacy. I have stressed that this component of prayer was lost in the West from the ancients.

Then again, "the truth of the moment," is NOW that I spoke of. The "Let your own awareness ","following your own path" is what I defined scientifically. Oh my God, all this comes so alive in Zen (I do not know Zen at all. But it seems so familiar.

Thanks a ton. I am planning to refine more and more on the prayer technique for people who have asked me "How do I Commune/Pray?". Thanks for your feed.

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Religion says believe and you will understand. Science say understand and you will believe.

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posted August 31, 2005 04:07 AM         

I feel we grow so much in joy, and this can be fleeting......I believe in giving thanks, even when times are bad.....I do this every day.....just a look up in the sky and a "thankyou God", at times can suffice......maybe I am wrong.

IAT are you a Scorpio by any chance?

posted August 31, 2005 09:30 AM         

SueG - this is great...Yes if you notice, I never mentioned the length of the prayer. All I said was spend 80% in gratitude and reflecting on the past journey. 80% of 10s is 8sec.

Any way theres no hard and fast rule. The awareness increases the more time you spend reflecting.

Theres an adage 'too many cooks spoils the broth'. Too much of Maths kills Astrology. Too much of brooding on past and future destroys prayers in waking state too. Except when you are in a true Yoga (communion) with the universe where you just lose track of time. There was a himalaya yogi who had ant hills build around him in a deep trance. Well more of them in later posts if possible.

posted August 31, 2005 06:12 PM         

Sorry to hear of your difficulties.
Take care

posted August 31, 2005 07:30 PM         

I am really not comfortable to discuss about star signs. Each one is unique and a tiny star shining their light

OK more on the Topic of ancient wisdom:

posted August 31, 2005 09:15 PM         

I'm so sorry if I sound like I never have fun, but it's a phase. Can I tell you a little secret? *whispering* I recently found out my wife is pregnant! It's very early now, but that'd be great fun to experience a new soul entering our plane. I can't really tell anyone else at the moment (except the world) as it is early, and everyone knows the complications involved.

And BTW, I'm 27 solar returns! Sheesh...

posted August 31, 2005 11:17 PM         

Going back to our discussions. Yes I have a scorpio moon. Very intense on my emotions. I only have 2 extremes, I either like people or I don't. Theres no shades of gray inbetween. I am trying to evolve myself. Heh I am a Human(lol).

About the reference to Linda's comments. I held her viewpoint for a long time especially because it supports my own belief on soul evolution. I have learnt a lot since then. The physical domain may be limiting, but when we conquer the other domains, we live at our own will and die too at our own will (on the earth planes). I am restraining myself, because, I am not ready yet to share. I have not conquered my own self, so its not justified that I share.

I love your Virgo moon. Very analytical and observant not just of your own thoughts but others as well. In the waking state, you might be prone to depression
On the flip side, during meditation an hour could be like a minute.
Not sure why I said that...hmmmm

posted September 01, 2005 01:10 PM         

Now before you are a daddy it is a great chance to get out there are let it all hang out have fun, shine, more moshing maybe ......as for your singing.......a healer woman said to me "singing is wonderful for the soul, cos you cant be depressed when you sing" and guess what Dean I havent felt down since I started doing it in public.....its wonderful.......come on lad you are only 30, enjoy yourself.....you deserve it!!!

Love and lightness

posted September 01, 2005 02:06 PM         

Lei, are you a thunderbolt or a flower?
A blend of both is cool...well, one needs the other in order to grow.

iAmThat,
'God Loves Intimacy'
Prayer, whether done alone or with others always comes from with In, so initially is always Intimate. Rather cool when thought of in that light, isn't it?

I was born on the cusp as well.
0 degrees Sagittarius. Would love to hear more on what you feel about the cusp, as it seems most astrologers either believe in it's influence greatly, or not at all. Guess it's for us to figure out ourselves.
I do believe I have certain Scorpionic shades..although in the end my outlook and final analysis is always Sagittarian. Mercury Scorpio has its influence also.
Sorry to stray off topic, but how did you come to believe in its effect?

hello Sue. It's all beautiful and good, I think. You are feeling gratitude for existance from your Heart and that's what matters. Not letting the moment slip you by. Cherishing Life.
A true Communion with life could be the ultimate prayer.
Authentic feeling from within is prayer, I believe. I most often pray with feeling...just feeling without word or ritual. whether it be empathy for another's pain or gratitude. From the Heart.
iAmThat's desire to artfully create a way to express cherish and gratitude is beautiful too.

Another important facet of prayer (since it's such a hot topic here and on the Perfect World thread) is Trust.

For instance, say someone is praying for a loved one who is dying. They pray and pray in desperation and longing until the point of exhaustion. In that moment there is a realization to let go and Trust. Surrender Faith to the Universe.

The very energy from such a release of control is a powerful awakening. And allows Miracles to happen.
Desperation, angst, longing could be possible blocks to the natural flow and cycles that the Universe might kindly bestow otherwise.
Surrendering is always a difficult thing for us humans. We think of it as giving away our power, but really it has the opposite effect and empowers us naturally.

Truth, Sincerity, Cherish and Trust.

And lest not forget the Supreme:

Love

posted September 01, 2005 11:24 PM         

Ok you asked a question about the initial being intimate.
The thing is if a candle is burning. The wax melts, uses the surrounding oxygen.
Who is the source? Is the candle the source or Oxygen? If one is absent the candle would not burn at all. So who are you really? Are you the whole candle or just the flame or just the wax? How far is your reach? What is being in communion mean? OK I would rather not answer that. Its an open question.

The inside of each is contributing to the whole no matter how insignificant they may seem. Heres an analogy, consider integers 1,2,3,4.....

Imagine if one number didn't seem to exist. The whole number system would be meaningless. The whole system based on those numbers would be meaningless.

Therefore just as each number is infinite by itself. Each of our individual Life/Soul has an infinite aspect to it. At times I have so underestimated it myself.

Ok Dean, I know you had other thoughts on those last sentences . The words within words --lol. Its OK if you don't share. I have thought of it too

OK back to the topic.

Wonderful words so far:

Understanding
Feeling
Love
Trust
Emotions
Desire
Thoughts
Experience

posted September 02, 2005 07:59 AM         

thanks a lot for sharing all ur thoughts and knowledge.
sorry i cud not post for these past few days as i was caught up in personal mess.

day dreamer
i think wat u said made a lot of sense.i frankly find rituals(offerings, flowers, idol worship) pointless because i no that even if i stand in front of an idol, in my mind my picture of GOD is not what i see in front of me.in india though its a nbig deal if u say u dont believe in goin to the temple.i think thats because of the way that v r conditioned. v r given a certain picture of god n some people have very strong beliefs. for example, if someone, say my dad, goes to the temple.he gets back "prasad"(something edible that is offered to the 'god'n bought back in a small quantity)n offers some to me. if i refuse it is taken as an insult to god.
i guess its just BLIND faith.

i am that
i think ur extremely intelligent and knowledgable(from wat i gather of your posts)and im sure i'll learn a lot from u.

sesame
i thought exactly the same thing that you did. about idols just helpin in focussing.i frankly dont think of them as GOD but i just wanted to be reassured that it is not the devil.
my boyfriend and i are communicating and hopefully all will be sorted (though now there are other complications).thanks for ur thoughts and advice.

love
diya

posted September 03, 2005 03:49 AM         

"I either like people or I dont"

IAT, is there never any well he is okayish, is it really that cut and dried and do you ever change your mind later on down the road and say......"oh I was wrong".......cos I know I do LOL !!!!

I dont have a Scorpio Moon, I have a Taurus one they say its a very stable place for the moon. To be honest, even me, with lots of Scorpio in my chart, feels a little wary of that Moon In SCorpio.......I sometimes dont know where I am with the person......are you able to explain more to me how you would feel......if I am on your "like" list LOL !!!!

Love to you

posted September 03, 2005 03:59 AM         

My sister that I have written of here has Scorpio Moon, she has loathing for people and always said to me "you are too nice" - she has few people on her "like" list, even my parents are becoming wary of her.....she said to me "I actually enjoy being mean to people" - she has a horrible temper, she loses it with a vengance........she has a bit of Leo in her chart, but that SCorpio moon is very strong with her, I feel.......she even admits it.......but like it is not going to change.

I admire your intention to better yourself, I wished you could talk to her, but she wouldnt listen anyway........

Mmmm....I am learning a little more about that Scorpio moon......its very intense isnt it?

Love to luck to you IAT

Sue G xxx

posted September 03, 2005 10:43 AM         

I am not sure how to answer that. He is not OK when he is subject
to emotional manipulation. Its always me, that has to be driver/controller, if there ever is one I also learnt that I am very possessive. The person must adjust to this. If they don't its not okay. When someone discovers my vulnerability, its never OK. I constantly also need reassurance from my loved ones.

>>>do you ever change your mind later on down the road and say......"oh I was wrong".......cos I know I do LOL !!!!

Sure I do realize that I was wrong . It happens when I realize that my own intuition
deceived me and I was only serving my own interests. Also in the past, it was extremely difficult for someone to change my opinion.

>>>>> to explain more to me how you would feel......if I am on your "like" list LOL

I am weary of my scorpio moon too.
I also learnt that when a partner has the same moon configuration. The relationship must get heavily penalized. Its like two drama king/queen(s) coming together. You know what I mean

>>>>>its very intense isnt it?
It definitely is. Downside of it is that if someone has an addiction, its impossible to break out of it. Positive side of it is that I am very loyal and defensive about the object of my affection.

posted September 04, 2005 07:22 AM         

I didnt want you to think I was gonna ignore your reply, so I wanted to say thanks for being so honest.........you have really confirmed things to me concerning another here who also has her Moon In Scorpio......the only difference is, you, friend, are humble and intelligent enough to be aware of it......but sadly the other isnt.....

Drama queen indeed!!!! LOL

God bless and good luck to you

Byeee

Love

Sue xxxx

posted September 04, 2005 05:41 PM         

Hehehe may be because my mercury (intelligence) is not in scorp?

Can't you just ignore what they say and move on. I had a similar experience that you speak of in a different thread, with a scorp moon. I have learnt to embrace them by never trusting what they say. I am still friends with this scorp moon. They really need help.

See you soon.

posted September 05, 2005 02:59 PM         

The problem with me is I DO trust people and when you said you never trusted what that moon in Scorp person said, well it made me think that maybe I should give myself a kick up the a**** and start trusting less........

Thanks you have helped me

Love

posted September 06, 2005 12:45 PM         

Love

posted September 10, 2005 12:37 AM         

OK back to posts:

How about adding these words to the experience during communion.

- Silence
- Solitude (not group solitude)
- Serenity
- Scorpio (Sue G listening. Wish I could hijack that intensity here) hehehehe