posted October 01, 2005 01:00 AM         

I Will first try to address Sir Peajie's concern.

Dear Peajie,
I think you took offence when I said science says our universe is nothing special.

Well let me make a point. I am not labelling, but speaking out an observation I have made. Give me an opportunity to share it. Here goes:

We are living in a time that believes in purposefulness of life. There has to be a value addition in whatever we do. Otherwise we are losers. I have made remarks often about the difference between west and east earthlings. Do not misunderstand me, the yin-yang balance principle applies to my observation and if I missed that balance please forgive me. Ok back to topic.

The west propagated the idea of industrialization, land conquest, etc....
What was that for? To make a common citizens life "Happy". Yet how much happy are we? Aren't we more in stress? Aren't we bored? The poor east didn't have all these modern amenities, nor do they have it now. Yet there is this cute smile on their faces and it shows they are happy. So what does this teach us? It teaches us that purpose without meaning is bad (if I may use that lingo). While purpose with meaning is good. Purpose is goal oriented (hence detrimental to spiritual life). Living a path has meaning (hence beneficiary to a spiritual person). How may of us can claim to live in a luxurious palace and yet keep the inner sanctuary in bliss?

quote:

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The meaning of life can only be experienced when you understand the beauty of purposelessness. Let your mind, your inner sanctuary not be contaminated and filled with purposes. Our inner sanctuary by its very nature is filled with bliss. The more you fill it with purpose, the more you empty it of bliss. Let your inner sanctuary be empty. The emptier it is, the more ecstatic and blissful you will be. Continuously if you think about something, you will never be able to perform your actions completely.

A purpose can be fulfilled, but if you carry these purposes in your life, you are not living. Purposes are living through you, that's all. A purpose can be fulfilled through your life, but you will not be fulfilled. If you want to be fulfilled, you have to accomplish a completely different dimension.

We always feel as if we can only pursue either the material or the spiritual. Yet no matter which we choose we always feel that we are missing the other. Mind is nothing but the dilemma that we experience in trying to chose between the two. The moment you realize the goal is purposeless, the moment the respect for the purpose is gone in your life, you fall into your Being. You become multidimensional. You
experience a totally different spiritual and material life.

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So although the life (cosmos) may have no purpose it does not mean that the Meaning cease to exist. It is up to us to make it meaningful. When every soul on this earth, realizes it, when each blossoms into the eight petalled lotus, then the whole earth (a bigger lotus) would spread its fragrance around reaching heavens above

The universe (whole of existence) that seems purposelessnesss seems to have a meaning by the presence of quantum spiritualists (persons who are in such a state of Being as described above). These are the people who make the difference between that which is purposelessness and that which has meaning.

posted October 01, 2005 01:47 AM         

Just got up cuz I couldn't sleep and well that was all worth reading and thanks
I shall go back to bed now with
Purpose on my mind

posted October 01, 2005 04:23 AM         

I agree with the meaningful life......I have never been goal driven myself....when I used to work in an office environment and we had meetings, I usually used to doodle or use the time to daydream what Id be doing when I got out of that particular sad lil ol place!!

My mother said to me once "you are really old arent ya.....keeping your hat on indoors"....hehehehe.........the old ones had certain ways.....the women in my mothers family were living very meaningfu lives. all spiritualists, all slow in their lives, not goals, just survival and living out meaning.....gypsy folk have to learn to survive.....they dont have ambition, or goals.

Yeah man, I understand what that means........and I think it is really cool.........

posted October 01, 2005 04:27 AM         

I often think I was born maybe a hundred years too late.......that is why I am so into keeping up the music tradition here.....it equates to the slowness life once held.....the supporting of each other as a community......I always try and have time to stop and talk...and help...where I can?

Love

posted October 01, 2005 10:23 AM         

Your articulation was great
and I believe I try to live this way
my purpose
to unite
all brothers and sisters

Like I said it was wonderful.

posted October 01, 2005 11:59 AM         

knock at the door
and it shall be opened
ask
and you shall recieve

Believe Believe Believe

I know you are there iAmThat

posted October 01, 2005 12:24 PM         

You said "Believe Believe Believe".

You seem to be wanting to start a religion.
I think religion brings conflict. I hope that you realize that. You better pray and ask God for a different strategy. When you speak, I feel it comes from a dimension called arrogance. Contemplate deep within and there you may find your answer. Most masters, when they speak its as if they speak to you because they speak from a dimension called Love. Its as if the disciples own heart speaks to him/her. The truth is always inside, only that the Master comes and awakens that soul.

I do not mean harm to you. But at the same time cannot stand a person speaking about religion and thrusting it down their throat. Enough falsehood was preached in the name of religion, keeping men/women from the path that leads to realization.
I would really appreciate if you make "I" statements. Such as : I believe that....or My perception is .... or My thinking is that...

I am talking to you as a friend. You really do not want to take upon yourself the curse of fellow men/women. For instance, I believe people like Jesus even would not attract that energy even from his enemies (Pontius Pilot). Wish I could give you a personal example than a religious one. But holding it for privacy's sake besides 1 in six already knows about Jesus so I thought I would use his name.

posted October 01, 2005 12:43 PM         

it's just I've found a lot of answers there

when I pray and meditate
I share with you
what is presented to me

perhaps I shouldn't do this anymore
maybe it's just for me

I do not believe in religion
I am just trying to find Truth

I am really so sorry you see me as arrogant
for I make many mistakes and try to be humble
showing we are all equal and the same

and yes, it hurts, what you say, but
that's OK

we are learning

posted October 01, 2005 01:01 PM         

To get to the truth one may not read many books. But by reading only one book and concentrating on the ideas presented there and thinking about it comes to a realization. You see when we read many books, I believe we are adding to our knowledge. How often do we add to our understanding.

Within you is Quran, Bible, Vedas, and all the books in the world. Within you is Mother God, Father God, Son. Within you is OM, The Cross, The Swastika.

When we reach the state of Being, we do not need anything else. Yes you may need some help initially but then you carry on so well that you had be surprised yourself. For example: Lets say you want to learn painting. Someone would train you for a few minutes. And you will be surprised when you will be called the best in the class. Where did this knowledge of artistry come from? It was always inside of you. Do you understand what I am saying?

You have assumed in your purpose that we are all dark here at LL and we do not pray. That is so purposeless.

posted October 01, 2005 01:06 PM         

I've been seeing Light

You perceive
incorrectly
you assume incorrectly

to find Truth
you must obtain knowledge
you must seek
to unveil

are you having a bad day?

You make false statements
do you really know me well
enough to judge
me
in such a way
this is arrogance.

posted October 01, 2005 01:14 PM         

Well neither do you know us well, to make authorative statements such " you are on right path" etc...on some of the previous posts/threads. That to me is arrogance. I should have brought it up then and there than waiting for an opportunity. My mistake may be. I do have lot of patience and do not get offended easily. But it is also not right to hold on to thoughts that I perceive about you. I feel the other party must know. I think if you really care you would take it as a constructive statement. Change or not after that is really up to you.
I think I will speak no more on this.

posted October 01, 2005 01:17 PM         

and I was only trying to help

I shall stay out of your topic

I respect you

and your thoughts

ANd will not make any more comments

as

your on the right path

ever again to you

so sorry

Farewell

May you find what you
are looking for
in your quest

posted October 01, 2005 01:24 PM         

I feel you make CLEAR statements as I said before I feel you have very good insight, good perception.....I agree with everything you see.......yes I and others see arrogance......this isnt the way....but sometimes lessons come hard.

I just wanted you to know I support you in your opinion.

With love

posted October 01, 2005 01:37 PM         

Hi LotusH1,
You have a great potential I believe. But you also have to listen sometimes. Thats all. I used to be a bad listener as well. I have overcome that. I hope

posted October 01, 2005 01:43 PM         

Please dont think me bold for saying this......but I have seen you grow in the few months I have been reading your posts.....you seem to have become lighter in some way.....and no you were not causing a rift, you were speaking your TRUTH, and I think you will find that people will admire you for that......I do.......

With love

posted October 01, 2005 02:46 PM         

I know many Scorpios in my personal life. They are very demonstrative of what they feel unlike cancers
Very vocal.

I have a current lover who is Scorp
And this other Scorp I went on a date with once asked me if it was ok to kiss on first date.

Linda Goodman says Aries is best sign for a woman. I did not read why she said that. I believe that Scorp is the best sign for a woman to be in. Well its my own TRUTH hahaha....

OK OK let me take it back...it has to be Aries because my Mom is one and she is the best in the world .... Now I am weired ain't I hahahahaha