posted August 07, 2006 11:55 AM         

I think fayte knows my heart. She has heard me say things like , "I cannot pretend to fathom your pain, or compare my pain to yours. It hurts me to think that anything I have said might cause pain to anyone, especially anyone who already has an unfair share of it themselves,". She has since shared more love with me, and I think she understands my position.

I would not have discussed her personal struggles at all, but that the topic had come up, and created a misunderstanding, which I had hoped to clear up.

Lotusheartone had suggested something, intactfully, and poorly timed, but, I believe, with the intention of helping, and her comments had been misinterpreted, with disasterous results.

She was basing her comments on an occult principle, known as the ancient hermetic "law of compensation". Wiccans call it the "law of three". Hindus and Buddhists call it "karma". Basically, it says that, what you put out into the universe comes back to you. IT IS NOT, as many have misinterpreted it, based on punishment and reward. It is like any natural law (i.e. what goes up must come down; if you jump off a cliff, you will fall to your death; if you eat healthy, you will feel good, etc.). It is not saying that someone is guilty or deserving of what befalls them, but, that we must be very careful about the thoughts we think, because the thoughts we think have power, and are connected to the universe in mysterious ways.

I referred fayte to the New Age bestseller, "You Can Heal Your Life", by Louise Hay.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0937611018/104-2292335-8083158?v=glance&n=283155
http://www.lovehealth.org/books/louisehay.htm

This is one of the most popular self-help books on healing of all time. It has changed many many lives for the better. The author is not blaming people for their difficulties. She is saying that hurtful thoughts, - which we think for any number of reasons (usually because we were mistaught to think them by an unevolved society, or by our parents, who were also mistaught),- go out into the ethers, and return to us in the form of diseases and violent encounters. She is not saying that we deserve these bad things, or that we are responsible for them. She is saying that, with the proper guidance, we can learn to take control of our lives, to change our thoughts, and the responses we get from our bodies and from other people. For instance, when Ms. Hay thinks she needs money, she repeats to herself, a hundred times a day, "Money comes to me easily and effortlessly. I am deserving of abundance," and, as if by magic, the money, or the opportunity to make it easily, appears. When she thinks, "Money is evil," or, "I do not deserve abundance," that stops money from reaching her, and creates obstacles in the world to its acquisition.

If you disagree, that is your choice, but I would suggest you research the subject a little bit first, and maybe read a few of the thousands of letters Ms. Hay has received from people whose lives have turned around, and who appear to be magically manifesting their wildest dreams merely through the power of positive thinking.

As for my ideas about the will of God...

I believe all things in the universe are connected. I believe the universe has one source, which is God, and not two, as in "God and the devil". I believe that God created all things. It follows, as the night the day, that God creates suffering as well as joy. Suffering exists. This is undeniable. If everything comes from God, suffering comes from God. THIS DOES NOT MEAN SUFFERING IS GOOD. I have not even made a claim about God's goodness. If you have a problem with suffering, take it up with God, just like his prophet, Job did. Again, I am not saying that everything that happens is good. You are mixing up your own ideas of God as "good", with my ideas of God as "everything", if you think that I am saying "everything is good". This is not what I am saying. Let me repeat that a fourth time, just to make it clear. THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING.

I hope that clears up the misunderstanding.

Fayte, you know I care.
And I have compassion and empathy for you
and with the pain caused to you
by this unfortunate misunderstanding.

Love
HSC

posted August 07, 2006 12:10 PM         

All for one and one for all...... Rock on!

posted August 07, 2006 01:16 PM         

I'm not good with all the mush and sentimental stuff... God (as well as, you) know I'm a bytch.

However, you have all my love and support, you know I love the way you think. Plus I feel we share many a things in common and all... ok this is where i stop cause i'll look silly being all hunkyfuckingdorey..lol

Take care of yourself my friend

posted August 07, 2006 01:19 PM         

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We CAN control how we treat each other.

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@ Gooberz

and to you Fayte!

posted August 07, 2006 02:21 PM         

I appreciate you taking some of your precious time to say those things. I know you are kept very busy, so, it really means a lot to me. I also respect the protective instincts which you exhibit, and your strong sense of justice, with which they go hand-in-hand. Like you, I tend to rush to the defense of whomever appears to be the under-dog (and, just to clarify, although I think you know what I mean, by "under-dog", I dont just mean whomever's side of the story is wearing thin, but whomever is the target of hurtful "slings and arrows"). When both sides are behaving childishly, or insensitively, I will try to defend both sides against each other. I will often tell someone when I think they have gone too far, but, sometimes this can seem like an attack, so, usually, I just try to make the point clear enough by my compassion for the other person, or my impersonal (i.e. not directed at any one in particular) defense of the rules of fair-play.

I am not aware of Lotus' judging. Maybe I am missing something, but, I have only heard her state her opinions with a conviction which can appear judgemental. I dont know if this appearance is avoidable, unless one ceases to assert their convictions altogether. If I think a person does not understand a technique (like, say, a yoga posture, or something), I will say, "You are doing it wrong. This is how to do it, and achieve optimum results." If that person is not offended at being instructed, they will not accuse me of passing judgement. They may say, "Well, this is how I like to do it," and I may say, "Suit yourself, but that is not yoga,". They may then say, "I decide what is and is not yoga, for myself" at which point I will say, "That is very confusing. Can't you find another word, besides yoga?", at which point, they may say, "No, I like to think of what I am doing as 'yoga'," at which point, I will suggest that they pay attention to the results of their technique, and, if they get equal or superior results, I may well agree with them, and change my own definition of "yoga". It is the same with understanding God.

I do not think the definition of God is more sacred or taboo than anything else. All things are sacred, and the concept of God is just something which ought to help us to put all things into a sacred and sensible perspective. If I see a definition of God which is illogical and limitting, and necessarily inclines its adherents to a view which sees others as purposely wicked and deserving of guilt (like the definition which entails "free will"), I will speak up against it. I will say, that is not a sound definition of God, because it does not place all things in a reasonable and sacred perspective. It may be something, but it is not a sound definition of God. I would instruct someone to think of God in less limitting terms, because I have seen for myself how this will incline them to be more understanding of people's motives, and more forgiving of people's faults. But, if they can prove to me, by their fruits, that their present view leads to tolerance, acceptance, understanding, and goodwill to all, then, I will abandon my own view in favor of theirs. So far, in the matter of "free will", and how it relates to our understanding of God, I have not seen this to be the case, and, rather, have met with an abundance of evidence to the contrary.

When Lotus says, "You are wrong, you do not understand this or that", whether it is God, or yoga, or mathematics, or whatever, I do not think she is being intolerant or judgemental, as, say, fayte, when she says, "You are revolting. You disgust me,". I have heard lotus apologize for expressing herself in ways which lend themselves to misinterpretation, while I have heard fayte defend things which she wishes to be clearly interpreted as condemnations. That is what I have seen and heard.

I know fayte is your friend, and I hope that does not prevent you from viewing this matter with an unbiased eye. I myself do not judge or condemn fayte for what she has said, but, I disagree with her, and wish to make my reasons for this clear, so that both she and I may reach a better understanding of each other, of ourselves, and of the truth. If love is what we both value, above all other things, let us try to understand together what it means to be loving, and if loving someone involves yelling at them (in capital letters, which I cannot even bring myself to reproduce here), "You are revolting! You disgust me!" If she wishes to defend this, and believes there is indeed a time and a place to say, or scream, such things, and that this will bring about a greater understanding of love in the person at whom she is screaming, then, I would be very curious to hear her reasons for thinking this way. I always want to understand. I am not being insincere here. I genuinely wish to know how she can reconcile such outbursts with the love she professes to value so highly.

Heart-Shaped Cross

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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

posted August 07, 2006 03:15 PM         

What I found to be truly objectionable was not said by you.

However, I would like to add that it is perhaps not your place to ascertain the cause/treatment of others' diseases and injuries.

to you.

posted August 07, 2006 03:32 PM         

All the rationalizations and excuses are just that.

posted August 07, 2006 07:57 PM         

Hi.

I would ask you to read my response to Lia,
if you wish to understand my thoughts on this matter more fully.

I would like to add that it is perhaps not your place to ascertain the cause/treatment of others' diseases and injuries.

The worst thing I could do to fayte is to keep silent, if I believe I am in possession of a cure for her condition. However pressumptuous it may seem for me to discuss it openly, and offer advice, I believe it to be the only decent thing for me to do. I hope she would do the same for me, if she were in possession of a potential cure for my various afflictions.

You suggest that it is not my place to try to heal my fellow beings. I disagree. I think we are all in this together, and that I am not just my own, but also my brother's keeper.

Every person who is sick and in pain is under a great deal of stress, and stressed people rarely, if ever, see clearly. Whether they mean to or not, they tend to inflict pain on others. Pain is always contagious. Therefore, if it is my responsibility to heal myself, it is also my responsibility to heal others, for every sick and stressed-out person I encounter is a threat to my own good health.

Every time I try to offer guidance to anyone, I am essentially attempting to diagnose an illness and prescribe a cure. If I were to stop concerning myself with others' physical, psychological, and spiritual health, or well-being, I would have to stop offering guidance all together.

I reflect that we are all sick. We dont all have cancer, or leukemia, or whatever, but we all have diseases of the soul. A person who is judgemental of others is ill, just as a person with cancer is ill. Both are in pain, and both require a thoughtful diagnosis and prescription. We should no more condemn a person for having a block on their heart-chakra, than we should condemn them for having a tumor on the brain. Both require loving attention and methods designed to help them cope, treat, and cure their affliction.

What was said to Fayte crossed a certain line... All the rationalizations and excuses are just that. People can see through it.

I dont believe in rationalizations and excuses. I believe in reasons, and in understanding that things happen for reasons...

What was said to fayte was, "have you ever considered that "X" might be responsible for your suffering?". All the misguided defensiveness in the world cannot change the fact that this is an attempt to cure someone of an affliction. I hope people can see that.

HSC

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'Would you know your Lord's meaning in this thing? Know it well. Love was his meaning. Who showed it to you? Love. What did he show you? Love. Why did he show it? For love. Keep yourself therein and you shall know and understand more in the same. But you shall never know nor understand any other thing, forever.'
- Julian of Norwich

posted August 07, 2006 08:29 PM         

Steve, take a break sweet wonderful man. I wish I could brush the hair from your eyes and tuck you into some comfy covers. Cover yourself up and call your girl and listen to her voice and feel some beauty, and then fall asleep. Let your mind rest rest rest. Find your peace and recharge.

Fayte, if only my faith was strong enough to heal you.
I won't comment on your situation with Lotus because clearly you two have issues you are working out together that are your own business. Like Steve, I just honor the fact that you are willing to do it here so that we can all identify with your feelings and failings in communcation. We may not all do it here, but we have all had a similar conversation with someone in our past, if only in our minds.

posted August 07, 2006 08:56 PM         

Ignore the 2 cent morality lectures that people give you. Every one has access to God in their inner sanctum i.e. heart.

Only God and masters like Jesus/Buddha knows your heart and no one else. I have seen people change their songs like chameleon changes its color. You are the only one who was steadfast and always sure of what you were talking about.

posted August 07, 2006 09:32 PM         

Mannu,

God forbid fayte should pay attention
when someone "lectures" her on the
inconsistency of preaching love
and then screaming at someone,
"You are disgusting! You are revolting!"

After all,
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Emerson

Right?

Oh, wait, you were PRAISING her consistency.

Yup,
Gotta love that stick-to-your-guns mentality.
Only weak-minded people admit when they are wrong.

Oh, gosh, I am not making any sense, am I?.

Why can't I just see one side of a story,
and close my eyes to the other?

Why can't things be simple?
Then I would always know what I was talking about,
and whose side I was supposed to be on.

Oh, heck!
I guess maybe there IS a time to every purpose under heaven.

God save the chameleons!,
who adapt to the requirements
of every new situation!

Here's to the colorful folk,
with a song for every occassion!

hsc

But, seriously,
If you think my philosophy is convoluted,
just ask me, and I will explain
whatever seems ambiguous to you.

posted August 07, 2006 10:11 PM         

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I am not aware of Lotus' judging. Maybe I am missing something

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quote:

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lotusheartone
Knowflake
Posts: 5581
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
posted September 03, 2005 01:43 PM
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I have been given the power, to use my words, as swords, against the dark ones, I can expose you.
Your secrets shall be revealed to me.
So, I say onto ye, for every attack, ye shall have one secret shown in true light.
So, go on and play, be on your merry way,
or, change your direction, and join us, in greeting a new Day...
Love and Light and Understanding
P.S. forewarned is forarmed, you have been told.
lotusheartone
Knowflake
Posts: 5581
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
posted October 02, 2005 07:01 PM
My name calling earlier
I was having fun
it's been boring
around here
we need
disruption
for
CHANGE!

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my name calling earlier
I was having fun
it's been boring
around here
we need
disruption
for
CHANGE!

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!????????
THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL FUN???!!!!!!!
How utterly sweet of you!
Bleccch!

That is only one of hundreds of examples.
And the following remark I made to Lotus is one example being taken out of context and without the reasons to back my reaction up.
Quote:
"You are revolting! You disgust me!"

>>I know I have said such things.
But after she has said such things as war is good, or gays are evil or called folks vile names and damned them and with hearts attached. Or rape is my fault(or any child's fault) because to her I/they, deserved it, and more nonsense.
Of course I will say that is revolting and disgusting. It is.
quote by HSC:

quote:

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Every person who is sick and in pain is under a great deal of stress, and stressed people rarely, if ever, see clearly. Whether they mean to or not, they tend to inflict pain on others. Pain is always contagious. Therefore, if it is my responsibility to heal myself, it is also my responsibility to heal others, for every sick and stressed-out person I encounter is a threat to my own good health.

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posted August 07, 2006 10:12 PM         

quote:

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you are very disturbing
I've been raped to
I'm not gonna cry about it here
for sympathy
it's karma
you get what you give
face what you've done wrong
and get on with life.

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Lotus has been very cruel to me and many folks and has judged and preached alot:
I am tired of her petty name calling and more.
Such as:

quote:

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lotusheartone
Knowflake
Posts: 5581
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
posted October 02, 2005 08:19 PM
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Fayte
Your an axehole

and I say this with love

hehe

lotusheartone
Knowflake
Posts: 5581
From: piopolis, quebec canada
Registered: Jul 2005
posted October 02, 2005 08:26 PM
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Fayte is an axehole
neener neener neener
lotusheartone

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So no HSC and Silverstone, it appears you do not realize what has been going on.
I say I love God. She calls me a liar.

And by tring to clarify here I am not wanting these things to turn into a new war.

But HSC and Silverstone....do not judge me without the facts. Do not tell Zala she is out of line or Lia or anyone when it comes to Lotus issues. Lotus has not been very nice. Lotus is not the only one. There is another who has been even more unkind and is close to Lotus and shares her outlook. I suspect has been encouraging her too. Funny thing is why few have noticed that one, yet. "Soultwins/sisters". Uh Huh.
As to who started what. I only know that when I extended my hand in friendship last year to Lotus and then she told me she is Linda Goodman, and condones war, and rape is the child's fault and more things I could not condone....And I wanted to back away from her because that is all tooo weird...
She resented me for it.
And still does.
As does another here who speaks out of both sides of their mouth. I suspect that person is using Lotus as her puppet. So in some way Lotus is a victim and should look at those she trusts(who behind the scenes and at other sites badmouth her and call her dark and evil while kissing up to her here at LL) and stop parroting their outlook on certain things.

As to self healing HSC.
You do not know me.
I have had cancerous conditions more than once. I was struck by a car and survived to the amazement of my doctors. Not only that, but the scars and healing in the skull went so well that it no longer shows. With God anything is possible! My connection to God is firm in my soul. To the amazement of doctors I healed mysteriously from that and
same for corneal scars(from an explosion accident), heart troubles, and even the plastic surgery required after a 5 minute birth to my son which left lots of damage and scarring. The doctors, 4 OB/GYNs say it is amazing. After 26 miscarriages and 1 too fast birth(5 minutes) requiring extensive repairs, they all shake their heads in amazement..and say..."you do not look like you have ever borne a child!".
I was semi paralyzed almost twenty years ago in an accident. They said I might not walk again. I was expected to die in just a couple years. But that time is at least 15 years past now. My son was supposed to have heart surgery but I worked over him and appealed to God. The cardiologist was shocked!
No more heart damage. I could tell many more stories such as this. But enough has been said to make my point.
I do believe in healing and continue to.
But while so called incorrect thought can make it harder to heal or make illness worse...I assure you that despite my troubles, I am very optimistic and as anyone who truely knows me knows...I do not want pity, nor do I let my infirmities ruin my life or my outlook. I am not my disabilities!
Quote from HSC:

quote:

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Mannu
God forbid fayte should pay attention
when someone "lectures" her on the
inconsistency of preaching love
and then screaming at someone,
"You are disgusting! You are revolting!"

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That was rude to both Mannu and me HSC.
Think that over please.

Bless you Mannu.

posted August 07, 2006 10:25 PM         

Again, if I have upset anyone...which I undoubtedly have.
I apologize.

But making statements and judgements without the facts is wrong. I felt after HSCs remarks clarification was needed.
Is it clarified enough now????
Can we all please just move on now?

posted August 07, 2006 10:50 PM         

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I have pictured you, when I read your posts, as a graceful looking lady with soft golden hair, kind blue eyes and slender hands. That's what your aura is to me.
Lots of love to you!

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>>That is soooo sweet!
I think you would be rather shocked at what I REALLY look like then!
I will not break the illusion you have of my appearance unless you want me to.
Much love to you too!

posted August 07, 2006 10:52 PM         

Thank you for clarifying.
I have a better view of things now.
Still, I dont condone using words like
"revolting" and "disgusting",
in whatever context.

You are right,
I dont know you.
But affirmation work is good for everybody.
I dont know why so much has happened to you.
Lousie Hay's is just one theory I have heard.
I was just passing it on.

I dont feel I was "ridiculing" Lia or 'Zala,
both of whom I feel especially close to.
And I didnt mean to be rude to you and Mannu.
I was a little offended by what Mannu said,
and was being playfully,
and, to be sure, provocatively sarcastic.
I still think loving is inconsistent
with yelling those insulting words.
Certainly, I have a better understanding now,
though, of what it took to provoke them.
I'm sorry.

Love to you,
HSC

posted August 07, 2006 11:02 PM         

Fayte, I hope I did not drudge up too much crap in starting this thread...I really just felt in my heart what happened was wrong and you deserved a defense.

Love & Light to you...

GLLF

posted August 07, 2006 11:25 PM         

But If I call her disgusting for condoning war and blaming children for getting raped or murdered, and her dirty mouth and hatred for gay folks, and attacks on innocent folks....
I am bad?????

Without being a freaking phony I call a spade a spade! Disgusting and revolting are just that!
I do not "dress it up" with I still love you and kissy kissy hearts and all!
That is phoney!
And guess what?
That duality and phoniness is revolting and disgusting too!

As to why I suffer in this life?

I KNOW why!
I asked for and recieved some of it! I wanted more time to devote to my spirituality and helping folks and to find my proper path and purpose in life.
I wanted to have time with my son when he was little.

So I got hurt bad. Suddenly my go go go world changed! I no longer cared as much anymore about sex or being sexy. I no longer wanted to be the best power lifter and armwrestler. I saw I had been obsessed with my physical form/sex appeal and my job and social life.
Suddenly I had time with my son. Suddenly I had time to ponder my soul and my sprituality! Suddenly by phone from my bed I was able to counsel folks. It did not matter that I was wearing diapers and in agony or semi paralyzed. I could be there for them. It was not easy raising my son with my wrecked body. But a few years later I was able to get around ok enough with a cane and drive a little again. An entire new wonderful world opened up for me!
Free of my need to be a perfect body and all...I became more who I am meant to be.
I am not cursed! I AM BLESSED!!!!!!
But some folks who fear illness and all, see me as a loser in life and of a lower spiritual nature. How shallow. They look down on me, judge me and cannot see or think beyond the physical form/condition.
Well that is a reflection of their screwed up psyches, not mine. They are afraid. Or need someone to insult to raise themselves up in their mind.
Ok, to continue...
Then I made another request of God. I said I wanted to learn to heal myself and others better.
The next thing I know is I am forced to again fight for my life and the some other folks. I am not going into details but I helped a lady with a heart attack, a man with a life threatening infection, two dying folks, prevented suicides and healed myself of some more things. Then I asked for MORE! I wanted to become even more psychic! I Asked God again...and I heard..."are you ready?" I said YES.
I heard the voice again...."you might die".
I said..."I know". It said..."are you ready now?" I said Yes!
The voice said..."rest, tomorrow it begins".

The next morning just having my morning coffee and enjoying the wonder of the nature as I sat on my porch and thinking what will my test be this time God?
I suddenly heard an explosion!

I had just suffered a stroke.

A blessing!
Relearning how to write and use a telephone and my name, so very interesting! It gave me another entirely different outlook on life!

Later the new found abilties and stregth allowed 'me to stay calm and put my hands into Gods hands as my beloved lay on the floor with no heartbeat and no pulse and was not breathing.

The voice was there again. I said OH God, not him! Take me! The voice said but he needs you!
Then I said if you take him then take me too.
I was working in a robotic fashion on my beloved and he finally came to.

Our love has become even stronger since then!

Blessings abound!

So do not assume my body troubles and life troubles are payment for evil doing or incorrect thought! Or a curse/curses.
Perhaps my being raped and abused is so I can help others who are tormented by this too.
I have walked in many shoes.

I feel I was given these trials, not as punishment but to make me understand suffering and have more compassion. To make me know how what many things are like so I can help and truly understand others by my own personal experiences.

I AM BLESSED!

posted August 07, 2006 11:36 PM         

>>>I accept your apology.
I have something else of mine I will post that explains even more.
Thank you.

Gooberzlostlovefound
What you have done is so very appreciated and kind!
Bless you!

Azalaksh
Those are soooo beautiful!
THANK YOU my wise lady!

Much love to you all and many blessing to you all!
Love
Fayte

posted August 07, 2006 11:43 PM         

Oh Zala! I am just me being me.
Thank you!