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Lialei
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posted August 29, 2006 02:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On William Blake and Nature,
this is my most favorite of his~

The tree which moves some to tears of joy
is in the eyes of others
only a green thing that stands in the way.
Some see nature all ridicule and deformity...
and some scarce see nature at all.
But to the eyes of the man of imagination,
nature is imagination itself.

~William Blake


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silverstone
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posted August 30, 2006 12:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia,

You are a true treasure. I am sure your family knows that May I recommend something? I think you should write, Lia. You have so much to give. Your writing conveys so much peace. And you know what... I know you will find whatever it is your heart searches Nothing is lost forever-- in this world there's a kind of painful progress, longing for what we left behind and dreaming ahead. You are a true poet at heart, I knew that when I first joined Lindaland. I am sure most of us see that here (let those who have eyes see) Your Sagi wisdom carries with you and your future lays sparkling ahead...

Some of my best lines about Sagi:

As long as you let her call her soul her own, and don't make her feel tied down, your Sagittarius Pollyanna will give you a triple bonus: her loyalty, her trust and her affection. The three are inseparable, because when she gives her love, her friendship trots right along beside it.

The Jupiter woman is an incurable idealist. And here's a secret perhaps she never told you: She fell in love with you many years ago, when she was a little girl and wished on the new Moon for someone to share her honest heart. There were lots of times when she thought she had found you and was disappointed. But when you finally came along, she knew you right away, because you were a gentle clown with a dream or two of your own who took her hand and showed her the way to the stars.
…………………………………………………………..
Whether he/she is bold or backward, the true nature of this generous idealist is as merry as the Christmas holly berry. Bravely, he/she pins a large carnation over his or her big heart, and curves his/her bow toward the sky. When he or she aims straight, he/she shoots higher than man can see-past the stars-to the place where all dreams are really born.

Sun signs~ Linda Goodman


Good night
Silverstone
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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Lialei
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posted August 30, 2006 01:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

*bows her head, so gratefully affected*

*lifts her head and smiles*

thank you.


I do write. Although words haven't been coming to me recently. I've learned not to force it. It comes when it's meant to. I used to let writer's block bother me more, but I realized the time of reflection is just as meaningful and needed as the words. (time of incubation/gestation...to every thing there is a season.)

I felt somewhat silly asking you if you write, because it seems apparant in your every post. I would ask you to share, but you already do. (but more is always welcomed)

Yes, get some rest! You work too hard, you know!

Thanks for typing Linda out. She writes so beautifully. Those passages I remember especially. I have always wished on the Moon.

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Lialei
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posted August 30, 2006 01:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more poem?
It seemed fitting with the theme.


There was a river


There was a river
once

cool crystaline clear
molecules,
untainted and pure

gushing and surging

knowing only
nature's revered touch

cell-memory-knowing
a collective memory
living on in our hearts


There are galaxies now

white dwarves and super novas

stars, living and dying,

reflections we receive
a million years
after the fact,

as pure and chaste
as that river

yet unaware
of humanity's breath
nor morbid touch

(how long can we deny
the home-sickness we feel
experiencing the gift
of an open meadow?)


Some seeds are
best left unplanted

Some dreams may do or die

Wanting,
wanting,

a hole ached for filling

when wanting breeds destruction

yet to Cherish

fills the sky.

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silverstone
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posted August 30, 2006 10:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia... I love that poem... I will be back, I have one more also!

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Mirandee
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posted August 31, 2006 12:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia and Silverstone

This thread has been such a pleasure to read. Both of you spoke such beautiful words and I love all the poems here.

Just reading this thread and images of woods, trees, waterfalls and along with the words you both spoke it gave me such a feeling of peace.

Thank you both.

I love waterfalls and babbling creeks and the sound of the Great Lakes waters lapping on the shore. I wish I lived close to a waterfall, silverstone. I would spend entire days there. There is such power in the force of a waterfall that I find them awesome.

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silverstone
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posted August 31, 2006 02:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, Lia... a few more... here are some of my favorites by Emily Dickinson:

There is another sky

There is another sky,
Ever serene and fair,
And there is another sunshine,
Though it be darkness there;
Never mind faded forests, Austin,
Never mind silent fields --
Here is a little forest,
Whose leaf is ever green;
Here is a brighter garden,
Where not a frost has been;
In its unfading flowers
I hear the bright bee hum:
Prithee, my brother,
Into my garden come!

To make a prairie

To make a prairie it takes a clover
And one bee, –
One clover, and a bee,
And revery.
The revery alone will do
If bees are few.

I never saw a moor

I never saw a moor;
I never saw the sea.
Yet know I how the heather looks
And what a wave must be.

I never spoke with God,
Nor visited in Heaven.
Yet certain am I of the spot
As if a chart were given.


Mirandee thank you; your posts are always comforting

"Our ability to perceive quality in nature begins, as in art, with the pretty. It expands through stages of the beautiful to values as yet uncaptured by Language"

Aldo Leopold~

Good night
Silverstone
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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Lialei
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posted August 31, 2006 11:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
!!
I love Emily. Her life has fascinated me. She was a such a unique Sagittarian woman. Thank you, Silverstone (once again, lol). Those are magical.
And the other quote as well.
I have more I'd like to share too.
But I have to leave for work for soon.

Mirandee, so cool to see you pop in here.
This thread has brought me much serenity lately as well.

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Lialei
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posted September 01, 2006 12:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For you, Silverstone,
and anyone that may be reading along.


The Soul's Cathedral


Nature is our greatest teacher.
No other potential gift of revelation can be found but in the awe, observation and empathetic assimilation of Nature's simplistic still, yet flowing breath.

All amount of fortitude...of striving, seeking, needing
will return you in time to that solitary omniscience of True Presence felt under the Stars.

We feel the Power there. The feeling of potential Self-realization, so close and magic, that no other surrounding can so presently stir.

All trivialities and external superficialities; worries, anxieties...vanish awakened to the diminutiveness that they truly are when held aligned to the Vastness of Space.


There we Are.

So Small, one is prone to think at first thought, before
dwelving deeper into the miraculous wonder of our Existance.
Our Grandness of Being at All within such Space.

And the Stars appear Fixed; unmoving,
even with the knowledge that All is forever in natural movement of expansion and change.
Yet, to us, in our little cells of reality,
we sense reliability and endurance in their position in Time.

Such is the Soul's realm, there under the Stars;
The Soul's Cathedral.

As Earth's Nature swirls around us so quick.
Such is Life.
Our lives, forever in movement, change and internal warring between resistance and flexibility.

The Stars become an Enduring reflection of the eternal state of Serenity of our Souls.

Nature Storms and Hurricanes around us.
Waves mountain and swell,
rocking us towards calmer Seas,
only to swell once more.

This is Life; forever Challenge and Movement.
Natural Cycles of Gifts of Opportunity for Growth.
Growth forever resulting directly from unresistance.
Trust in an eternal cycle beyond our knowledge and vision.

The Sun sets.
The Moon rises...falling into the rising Sun.
On and On, a symbolic endurance of our Soul's within.

For even in our daily human struggles with ego, vanity and materialism,
the Soul within endures onwards in an unswaying Pureness of Truth.

As Love, when Truly as Pure as Nature's breath...
when Truly felt from the Soul....remains.
Forever enduring on in Trust and Faith and Wonder
through all external rumbling storms.


~It is only the finite that has wrought and suffered.
The infinite lies stretched in smiling repose.~ Emerson



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silverstone
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posted September 02, 2006 05:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nature indeed, Lia Ah...and Ralph Waldo Emerson... one of my favorites, thanks.

For you Lia and all (where's HSC?)

Here are some of my favorites by Emerson:

"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us"

“The world is all gates, all opportunities, strings of tension waiting to be struck. ”

“There are no days in life so memorable as those which vibrated to some stroke of the imagination.”

“The invariable mark of wisdom is to see the miraculous in the common.”

"Great men are they who see that spiritual is stronger than any material force; and that thoughts rule the world."

"A man is a bundle of relations, a knot of roots, whose flower and fruitage is the world."


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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted September 02, 2006 05:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

In any weather, at any hour of the day or night, I have been anxious to improve the nick of time, and notch it on my stick too; to stand on the meeting of two eternities, the past and the future, which is precisely the present moment; to toe that line.

Henry David Thoreau


Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth.

Henry David Thoreau

(Hehee, Lia and I am not done; I am saving the best for last ...)

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted September 02, 2006 06:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The following stanzas are very insightful to me in that poem, Lia:

quote:
All amount of fortitude...of striving, seeking, needing
will return you in time to that solitary omniscience of True Presence felt under the Stars

We feel the Power there. The feeling of potential Self-realization, so close and magic, that no other surrounding can so presently stir.
.............................
For even in our daily human struggles with ego, vanity and materialism,
the Soul within endures onwards in an unswaying Pureness of Truth.

As Love, when Truly as Pure as Nature's breath...
when Truly felt from the Soul....remains.
Forever enduring on in Trust and Faith and Wonder
through all external rumbling storms.


These are keepers


Silverstone


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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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salome
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posted September 02, 2006 06:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blake ~

quote:
In every cry of every man,
In every Infant's cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear.

to be free of our mind-forged manacles...

will truth do that?

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Lialei
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posted September 02, 2006 12:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wonderful quotes to ponder, silverstone and salome.
will return.

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Lialei
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posted September 30, 2006 01:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have missed this thread.

It feels like a warm, peaceful Sanctuary in here.

I was in a rush last time and didn't get to reply as properly as I hoped.

Silverstone, thank you. What a nice feeling to hear those words left some impression on you.
Thoreau was a fascinating individual, wasn't he?
Brilliant artists, like him, Emily Dickenson, Christina Rossetti, etc, who lived a rebellious, lone existance, inspired by the beauty of their own truth and hearts...they fascinate me so. They weren't impressed by things of the world, except the purity of Love and Nature. They felt no need to conform to any expectations of them. They knew in their hearts what was meaningful and truly mattered.
I just think that's so cool.

Salome:

"does truth do that?"

I'm hoping so.

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Lialei
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posted September 30, 2006 01:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another of my favorites:

Nature


As a fond mother,
when the day is o'er,
Leads by the hand
her little child to bed,
Half-willing,
half reluctant to be led,
And leave his broken
playthings on the floor,
Still gazing at them
through the open door,
Nor wholly reassured
and comforted
By promise of others
in their stead,
Which, though more splendid,
may not please him more;
So Nature deals with us,
and takes away
our playthings one by one,
and by the hand
Leads us to rest
so gently, that we go
scarce knowing if we
wished to go or stay,
Being too full of sleep
to understand
How far the unknown
transcends the what we know.

~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

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silverstone
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posted September 30, 2006 03:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia

I miss this thread also I will reply when I get home.

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted October 01, 2006 06:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia,

quote:
Nature


As a fond mother,
when the day is o'er,
Leads by the hand
her little child to bed,
Half-willing,
half reluctant to be led,
And leave his broken
playthings on the floor,
Still gazing at them
through the open door,
Nor wholly reassured
and comforted
By promise of others
in their stead,
Which, though more splendid,
may not please him more;
So Nature deals with us,
and takes away
our playthings one by one,
and by the hand
Leads us to rest
so gently, that we go
scarce knowing if we
wished to go or stay,
Being too full of sleep
to understand
How far the unknown
transcends the what we know.

~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


Greetings, Lia Interesting that you post this poem. I love this poem. It echoes my old time favorite, Robert Frost’s Nothing Gold Can Stay I feel like I have known you for a very long time; perhaps, in another life But I am sure I will discover that with time.

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted October 01, 2006 06:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Nature symbolizes life. The notion of being… presenting the moment itself when the world is first breaking into blossom, leading us by the hand; day after day, night after night, time after time, place after place. “Her little child” suggest “us”; our innocence as children. Introducing us to the world… the choices we make in life, which leads us to sacrifice, wonder, explore, grow and love. Maybe the message in the word “Children” is because we never truly grow through our never ending stories or experiences, which reminds us of vital questions we naively disregard: To what degree can one person truly know another? Do people really recognize greatness and goodness in others? Are some people natural victims? What does it really mean to be strong in character or weak in character?

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted October 01, 2006 06:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

We’re “half-willing” Are we always truly willing to know, to live, with the emphasis on growing? The roads in life, the mystery of the unknown… the danger we may face in being ourselves. “half reluctant to be led,” It suggests us not wanting to be governed by others, yet, simultaneously not truly sure of ourselves (Freedom vs. safety) because of fear to take that step, yet with an ability to explore the world in our own ways-- Free-will and the rewards or consequences because of free-will itself. The “doings” we choose. The fear of “doing” in many of us, because it is the fear of what comes after the doing that makes the doing hard to do. Ok, Lia, now you really got me going You see what you start “And leave his broken playthings on the floor” Our unfinished business. Our tears left behind and then taking that step back to find ourselves, to refine ourselves… to revisit those painful memories because maybe at some point, we viewed them as playful because of our nature of being human.

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted October 01, 2006 07:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“Still gazing at them through the open door” Our choices don’t truly disappear because it always takes us back in time where we first began. Acceptance of opening or re-opening that door… “Nor wholly reassured and comforted” Suggests us never really truly sure of ourselves despite the façade. “By promise of others in their stead, / Which, though more splendid, may not please him more;” The promises of a better tomorrow… and if it arrives will we be pleased? “So Nature deals with us, and takes away our playthings one by one,” Nothing “Gold” can stay, echoing Robert Frost. Perhaps we don’t live life—life lives us. Constraints of time… we are chained by time… our innocence doesn’t stay, unless we find our true selves, maybe. “and by the hand Leads us to rest so gently, that we go scarce knowing if we wished to go or stay,” Death… meeting our end in the physical world… where it is perhaps never truly sufficient. Is our completeness in this world fulfilled, did we truly conquer our journey? We never have a choice to stay.. Did we get near to wish, did we ever get to truly wish?
”Being too full of sleep to understand” The word “Sleep” evokes perhaps ignorance or the thoughts that cloud our minds to see the beauty of the world for what it truly is … or perhaps because it is just an illusion of “How far the unknown transcends what we know. “
Ok, maybe I let my mind just take me to another level, Lia It’s probably the Pisces in me (Ascendant and Moon) And with my Scorpio Sun sign it takes me to the other end

I am so glad you bumped this, Lia! And sorry if I went overboard, dear

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted October 01, 2006 08:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since your poem reminded me of Frost... here it is:

NOTHING GOLD CAN STAY

Nature's first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf's a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.

~Robert Frost

I love this poem as it's rich in figurative langauge. The repetition of “So” at the beginning reinforces the inescapability of time’s progress, and the final line sums up the idea that change is always happening, that we cannot hold onto the things we cherish. Gold unabashedly becomes a symbol–a very traditional one–for the highest value and most radiant beauty. Spring, dawn, and Eden are each a sort of Golden Age, an impermanent paradise. What lies ahead is never stated overtly, but it is inarguably present by implication. Day is inevitably followed by night. Summer is succeeded by fall and winter. The green leaf eventually turns brown and decays. Human youth, by implication, is followed by maturity, old age, and ultimately death... again, we are chained by time. The golden moment, therefore, is all the more precious because it is transitory. By focusing on a single moment, evokes an entire day, year, lifetime, and human history. It evokes a point in life when the golden illusions of youth have vanished. Perhaps its hard-won wisdom is rooted in a difficult experience. It transcends into a universal vision of the human condition. Not a private complaint about life's injustice but a tender if heartbreaking expression of the transience of beauty and the grief of mortality.

Silverstone


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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted October 01, 2006 08:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To continue with Blake...

William Blake (1757-1827)
To the Muses

Whether on Ida's shady brow,
Or in the chambers of the East,
The chambers of the sun, that now
From ancient melody have ceas'd;
Whether in Heav'n ye wander fair,
Or the green corners of the earth,
Or the blue regions of the air,
Where the melodious winds have birth;
Whether on crystal rocks ye rove,
Beneath the bosom of the sea
Wand'ring in many a coral grove,
Fair Nine, forsaking Poetry!
How have you left the ancient love
That bards of old enjoy'd in you!
The languid strings do scarcely move!
The sound is forc'd, the notes are few!

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Lialei
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posted October 01, 2006 11:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you could never go overboard!
I love it!!
Wonder Full, Silver !

I have to run for now, but will return as soon as I can and reread this better when not so rushed. Thank you.

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Lialei
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posted October 01, 2006 07:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amazing, Silverstone.
I'm still taking this in...thinking.

this was especially profound to me:

"our innocence doesn’t stay, unless we find our true selves, maybe"

Yes, exactly. It's a returning.
That's so amazing that you already sense that. It's always there. It's incorruptable...Pure.

I'm also thinking we may have known each other longer than we are yet aware.
You're presence always brings me such a feeling of comfort.

So much to contemplate.
I'll be back.

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