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Mannu
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posted August 25, 2006 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not to be believed."

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silverstone
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posted August 25, 2006 11:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Not to be believed, truth can never be told so as to be understood"

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lotusheartone
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posted August 25, 2006 11:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To BE, or not to BE...

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posted August 25, 2006 11:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this makes no sense to me..help!

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silverstone
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posted August 25, 2006 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am playing bro!

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Lialei
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posted August 25, 2006 11:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah, yes. Truth is relative and transient?

More from William on Truth~


"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it,
but for the sake of defending those that do."

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silverstone
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posted August 25, 2006 11:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah... I love that Lia!

"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it,
but for the sake of defending those that do."

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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silverstone
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posted August 25, 2006 11:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are some of my favorites by him:

A truth that's told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent.
William Blake


Innocence dwells with Wisdom, but never with Ignorance.
William Blake

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Lialei
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posted August 27, 2006 08:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
very nice, silverstone. Don't think I've heard those particular Blake quotes before.
I love his work, both his art and writings.

"Pity"


"Ancient of Days"


oh, and I love the Robert Frost poem in your signature.

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Lialei
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posted August 27, 2006 08:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Frost poem reminds me somewhat of this song by Cat Stevens~


~Silent Sunlight~


Silent sunlight, welcome in
There is work I must now begin
All my dreams have blown away
And the children want to play
They'll soon remember things to do
When the heart is young
And the night is done
And the sky is blue

Morning songbird, sing away
Lend a tune to another day
Bring your wings and choose a roof
Sing a song of love and truth
We'll soon remember if you do
When all things were tall
And our friends were small
And the world was new

Sleepy horses, heave away
Put your backs to the golden hay
Don't ever look behind at the work you've done
For your work has just begun
There'll be the evening in the end
but till that time arrives
You can rest your eyes
And begin again



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lotusheartone
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posted August 27, 2006 09:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lialei..that was perfect! You are a very special women..I just want you to know..
How much I respect you..a calm..and not my storm..hehe

you are always gentle. ...

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silverstone
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posted August 27, 2006 10:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia,

I am glad you like the poem by Robert frost. I do truly love this poem; it is very meaningful to me; it is a beautiful poem with stunning and touching imagery. The simplicity of the scene is what makes the poem so attractive. The rhythm makes it a wonderful piece to read.

The world of the woods is a world offering perfect quiet and solitude, exists side by side with the realization that there is also another world...

“The woods are lovely dark and deep” - this one poignant line is the essence of our longing for meaning to our lives, for peace, for escape, for the ability to find answers to life's mysteries, to find a way to please our Creator before He takes us home. The secret yearning in our soul for escape from our everyday world, to find our rightful place, carries with it a fear of the unknown… only a few turn off the road into those lovely, dark, deep woods..

Eventually, sad to say, such little interludes do end, even as we regain our momentum and move on to our appointed tasks. But I think it is important to remember to pause at times, to appreciate things of this kind. The world will always be there clamoring for our attention and work. So we must decide on our own to take these opportunities. Furthermore, the poet is put in mind of the "promises" he has to keep, of the miles he still must travel. It is the repetition of this line, "and miles to go before I sleep," bringing us to the conclusion of the poem, that awakens in us, who are so inclined to feel it, a strong identification with the profound power of our resignated acceptance of our responsibilities - our responsibility to trudge on, our responsibility to live. In this sense, the poem is more about life
than death. It is melancholy, evocative, true, and beautiful. A masterpiece I like to call it. Here is the entire poem:

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
Robert Frost

Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village, though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.

My little horse must think it's queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.

He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there's some mistake.
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.


Silverstone


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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 12:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
silverstone,
that was so entirely beautiful. You are a Poet. (I had a feeling )
Such comfort I find in your words. Thank you dearly.
And the timing of them...this meandering off into the woods, is so timely to me. You have no idea how striking it is.
Ever since I can remember I have wandered the woods alone. As a child, I often went off exploring by myself. I wanted to be Alone. My friends would have scared off the innocent creatures or they would have wanted to go places I didn't want to, or they would have gotten bored, wanted to go home. I would spend hours out there, exploring by myself, just so enthralled with that feeling of freedom to be on an unknown adventure in a place, untouched by man. The blissful feeling of suprise and wonder...not knowing what I would find,nor where my steps might lead me.
The deep of woods is like being under the Stars~~ The Soul's Cathedral. There's the potential of deep intimacy with one's own soul there and connection, as you said, to other worlds beyond.

(I'm having problems with long posts, so please bear with my multiple posts here. )

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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 12:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To explain the timeliness, I'll tell you a story. Something I wouldn't have otherwised shared here.
I sometimes get overwhelmed, and for the first time in my life, once in a great while I have had anxiety attacks/emotional tethers...I don't really know how else to describe it. The weight on my shoulders becomes too much and I feel as if I'm going to break down from it.
This past week I had a particularly stressful and demanding week. I had so much responsibilites to tend to and with lack of rest. Other deeply profound emotional issues, of which I'd rather not elaborate here.
But anyway, I was at work and I couldn't deal with the demands of people. The demands of being social and keeping it together. My work is very social/public and I'm expected to relate, to smile.
I felt myself tearing up uncontrollably and there was a panic to flee. I didn't want others to see my wet eyes and question me, for I wouldn't have known what to say to describe what was going on within me. So I left work early...but I had no where to go. I didn't want to go home.
So...I bought an energy drink and some aspirin (terrible headache, lol, go figure) and I went to a nearby park. I walked the nature trails alone for a bit, but looking to the left and the right of the path into the woods I was drawn. I followed the pull and wandered off deep into the woods. It was so beautiful and quiet. Only the soft sounds of pure nature. A stillness you don't find but so rarely in this world.

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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 12:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...I came upon a fallen tree and sat down for a smoke. I was enthralled with the beauty around me. How could one describe it? The afternoon sun, glistening through the high branches, the cool dim air of the forest bed. Your hearing seems to become intensified and every littlest sound more precise. I heard a soft rustle to the left of my foot and saw a snake slithering near me. I watched it, and it suddenly stopped. It stayed frozen in that same position for the longest time, and I began to feel bad that the snake was disturbed and frightened by my presence to stay so motionless and camuflauged. Just as I begin to think about leaving his space, a sudden scurrying sound startled the hell out of me. A chipmunk had leapt up on the tree just next to me, with that sqeaking/chirping sound they make.
Then he scurried off quickly darting here and there, so cute. I thought of how the woods are so free and open to him. His playground.

I got up and began walking again. After a bit, I came to a hill, lined with trees. I wondered what could be over it, for it was so bright up there. I climbed the hill and as I came to the top and emerged from the trees, the most beautiful meadow was before me.
Kneehigh grass and brush. The beautiful midday warm sun above. Wildflowers, bees, dragonflies. So isolated and quiet and not a soul in sight.

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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 12:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I walked on and as I rounded a bush, behind it was a flattened deer bed in the high grass. It looked so soft and inviting.

I laid down in it, closed my eyes and rested.
The sun was high and hot. I began sweating in my work attire...to cut to the chase, I thought of how isolated I was, and the freedom I felt in that moment.
So I peeled my clothes off and lay there, feeling the warm sun on my skin....feeling entirely free of the world, of all my troubles, of all expectations, labelings, judgements, narrow perceptions.
I stretched,relaxed, purrred, feeling so sensually content in that moment.

Entirely Free~ Nature's Child.

There are times in life when something has got to give,
When you're pressed with the feeling of closing in and breaking down.
I was so thankful for that precious time. It helped me greatly.

It reminded me of where I was heading and of what is most meaningful.

*thanks for listening.

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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 12:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and thank you as well, Lotus.
I'm not always gentle.
It takes a lot to rouse me,
but I'm very passionate, when I feel injustness or protectiveness.

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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 01:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope this isn't overkill ( ), but some poems and writings for you, Silverstone~


Clearing

I trodded through
a darkened wood
through the jumbled
pathway of a mind
Musky smells
Mysterious sounds
Invading my senses
all around

I paced this ground

Such unearthly quiet
was felt among the noise
ever beckoning wonder
of the message it would gift
to the humbled listener
who strained so eager to hear
such sound long forgotten
to the quest-ioning ear

A clearing
is a bright open miracle
to the unexpected

and only found
when one wanders
off the pathway
to untrodden ground

Leaving behind
what one
thought one had found

Such exhilarating splendor
to step out
under the opening sky

a fresh breath
an invitation
to leap
to smile
to fly

Such freedom
the clearing espies

an unhindered haven
to the welcoming eye.


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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 01:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I have a thing for Clearings," she told him.

"It's like a birth --
out of the darkness, into the Light.
All is new and before you, urging exploration.
Changes aren't necessary when Life is anew.
Clarity of new Wonder breathes sunlight into the skin,
birthing an Existance."

"A snake shedding its skin suddenly...on its way to the river," he thought to himself aloud.

She smiled gently, to herself, "He understands."

Clearings aren't discovered -- they happen.
In those darkest hours, when Time has lost track
of rays so long unseen.
One day after another......
until All inner collectivity just STOPS.....
and the Soul ceases
its frantic Query.

You may count those moments
on your hand......as you look back
to what has brought you here.

And See.....
And Bless.....
And Believe.....

In happenings once again.

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Lialei
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posted August 28, 2006 01:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Soul's Journey

As a soul picks its gait along the path.......so it manifests Cross Roads and Clearings.....

All dead-ends are illusions. There are only detours along the journey . A soul's pathway is not set in stone...but by the malleable illusionary material of a rambling Being. Altering landscapes and surroundings with inner vision of the moment.

A Cross Road is a choice on not where to go , or what to do ...but rather, how to BE.
Whereas a clearing appears so easily, like a sextile or a trine......just There.
Suddenly you ARE, and even unaware of how .....but just ARE.
A gift so amazingly miraculous and precious in time.

Cross Roads are gifts as well...yet more intune to opposition. The potentials are abundant, yet some effort in Being needs be applied.

When these Cross Roads...why?
You had been so keen to be observant on your journey. Alert to the pitfalls and stones that would trip your way.
Just when you eased your gait and felt you may relax a bit...

the Cross Road;

the Fork in the Road appears before you, beckoning you onwards to paths unknown.

Just detours, remember.
Relax and in the silence of Yourself.......listen.

Quiet the frustration......the delay.....just listen and BE.

This is Your gift to BE.


(ok, I think I'm done now.
As you can tell, I have a thing for woods and clearings. These aren't recent...I wrote them a few years ago. )

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posted August 28, 2006 01:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! I'm in awe..I LOve the Woods..and have done what you speak of so many times...Divine
being at One with the Universe..
I am fortunate to be able to go in the woods everyday..my friends expect there nuts and seeds. ...I sometimes become one with the animals..soar as the bird does..we are all connected...

I LOve all of you..so much!

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posted August 28, 2006 07:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
~Silent Sunlight~

Silent sunlight, welcome in
There is work I must now begin
All my dreams have blown away
And the children want to play
They'll soon remember things to do
When the heart is young
And the night is done
And the sky is blue

Morning songbird, sing away
Lend a tune to another day
Bring your wings and choose a roof
Sing a song of love and truth
We'll soon remember if you do
When all things were tall
And our friends were small
And the world was new

Sleepy horses, heave away
Put your backs to the golden hay
Don't ever look behind at the work you've done
For your work has just begun
There'll be the evening in the end
but till that time arrives
You can rest your eyes
And begin again


I love this Lia … I never heard this… and you’ll have to put up with me when it deals with poetry or music I am majoring in English- Composition and Literature go figure… with my Scorpio sun and my Ascendant and Moon both in Pisces, I can’t help it. This is how I view it: The morning songbird is a song of innocence. This song perfectly illustrates how our childhood is the best of all times, carefree, secure, and magical. As life progresses we succumb to reality and we lose the immortality and joy we had as children. We are chained by time our innocence is a wonderful experience. Silent Sunlight a new beginning, paralleled with the forces of nature. “And the children want to play / They'll soon remember things to do / When the heart is young / And the night is done / And the sky is blue” Looking back in time, remembering the beauty of being young. The speaker recreates a typical fantasy that the world disappears when it is no longer visible. The sense of youthful freedom is reinforced, as he says: “There'll be the evening in the end but till that time arrives / You can rest your eyes / And begin again. The reference to the horses is an analogy, we personify the horses… suggesting to look for a new horizon, yet to treasure the time passed by; a time after time, a place after place, in a place after places (Ok, now you got me going ). This line reminds me of the essence of Robert Frost’s poem: There'll be the evening in the end but till that time arrives / You can rest your eyes / And begin again “ A nostalgic and melancholy look back at times gone by. Living the moment is the essence of this song!

Thanks Lia for sharing this song… I also like the pictures you shared by Blake..

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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posted August 28, 2006 08:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lia...

I know what you mean… My work is also very social and public and some times it can be too much… to be the role-model, to set the expectation for others to see in your work. There are times where I also don’t know how I do it with too much responsibility at both my jobs and school and my personal life. There are many times when I feel the weight is too much… when I wrestle alone in the dark and only I can pull myself out. I’ve realized that in the end, only “we” know what’s occurring in our lives. In essence, I do find time to get away from it all. I love the woods I live surrounded by mountains. Nearby where I live… there are waterfalls… I often visit there when I have time to hike because it helps me find myself at times; it gives me tranquility. I am glad you are a lover of nature… I comprehend your visit to the woods. I think there comes a time to drop it all. To stop… to breath… to get away… where only we know. Wishing you the best, Lia Thanks for the other poems, I put them in my collection
I think I posted this somewhere… I will post here, also:

To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under the heaven.....a time to be born.....a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together.....a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing...
Ecclesiastes 3:1-5


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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Lialei
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posted August 29, 2006 02:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"He understands."

Thank you so much for your kindness and understanding, silverstone.
I would have felt so different had I come to see no reply today. And there you were.
It's strange...I feel so much on a vulnerable fine line these days. Every little opening seems like this huge risk or something when it really shouldn't be.
Thankfully I always (in the end) have Jupiterian Faith that needs no tangible proof, and (know you'll understand this with all your Pisces)the Neptunian ability to amplify and expand every little blessing. (oh, and the Scorpionic understanding of deaths/rebirths~Transformation. I'm Scorpio-influenced as well.)

The song has such a beautiful melody too. Hope you'll hear it one day. Seems you got from it just what I did.
The poem and song seemed to share resting,nostalgia, cleansing, clearing to 'begin again'; trudge onwards.
I think it's awesome the way you see so much into lyrics and words.
Do you write yourself?

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Lialei
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posted August 29, 2006 02:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

You kept my writings? I'm honored.

You're so right that "only we know". Maybe that's why it feels so comforting out in the woods alone, in the quiet comfort of our own understanding. "Alone in the woods" is such a metaphor for life, isn't it?

It's amazing, all you are doing~ work, school, etc. It's no wonder it would get overwhelming at times. I'm glad you have the mountains and waterfalls to quiet your tension and refill you, for all you give to everyone else and all your efforts.

"There is a Season"

Life is seasons, isn't it?
Cycles...hills and valleys~
struggling climbs and smooth gliding descents.
It's wonderful when you come to accept the hills as passing times that they are. They won't stay the same, that's for certain. Everything is always changing into the next.
That acceptance has brought me a calm and patience I hadn't known before. (Firey--it took me some time, lol )

Once again, thank you.
Clear and restful dreams to you.

Goodnight

~Lia


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